best/fastest hero/hench with paragon? (HM)

So what is the best hero/hench with a paragon? I know people say racway, but to be honest, I just don't see the point. It might just be me, but on paper it doesn't look like it does much damage. I've heard people say "auto-attack for 100+" but that's just BS. I auto attack for ~30-40... and that's just normal mode. Also, the build looks like it will have real problems with blocking/enchantments.

I've been looking at sabway, but the problem is that there's no orders... which is pretty essential for an imbagon because of dark fury. So I'm thinking sabway minus n/rt healer plus derv orders, but then it seems like a waste of a slot when my character is the only one really benefiting from it.

So, does any paragon want to share some enlightenment?

Dark fury isnt essential for an imbagon. Havent really started my gon yet, so otherwise I dunno. I really like sabway, and I personally dont think orders is really necessary on it. You could possibly sub orders skills onto the N/rt healer.

Well okay, orders isn't "essential" but it helps a LOT. Without orders if you get blocked, you have SY! downtime. You also probably wouldn't be able to spam your attack skills without orders.

run discord way

and have a reduced dmg build, including save yourselves.

thats about the best a paragon could be imo

Quote: Originally Posted by realtalk916

run discord way

and have a reduced dmg build, including save yourselves.

thats about the best a paragon could be imo this

12charlimit

Quote: Originally Posted by traversc

Well okay, orders isn't "essential" but it helps a LOT. Without orders if you get blocked, you have SY! downtime. You also probably wouldn't be able to spam your attack skills without orders. I use Discordway with Splinter Weapon. My paragon uses Spear of Fury which would recharge SY even when blocked.

With a discord type steup, run crual spear w/ vicious attack imo.
That's what I'm doing on my sin, so maybe vicious attack will be a little less effective
You can still carry SY, you maybe won't be able to maintain it 24/7 but it's not like you're going to need it.
Dark fury is a great hex to bring in this situation. I know on my sin I can spam asura scan, you may be won't be able to on a para.

Why it always has to be discordway or sabway? DOnt mind answering, i alrdy know the answer: beacause people dont know how to play and N/Rts are the best heroes you can get.

How well i would say to the hell whith that bulls!t (no ofense to anyone). I'm telling you, if i had enough people i would do something like this:

1 warrior earthshaker whith D-pact
3 paragons: basicaly, paragons whith suport skills and spear attacks and i would put flesh of my flesh oon one of them
1 N/Mo curses: mark of pain, barbs, SS, smite condition, smite hex, Great dwarv weapon...
1 dervish order healer: usual build
prot monk (RC)
Healer monk (WoH+Healparty or HB)

Warrior calls target, dervish spam orders,necro hexes target and paragons spear them to death (and it would be darn fast to kill everything).

Since, u prolly dont have people, i would say:

Heal and prot heanchies+fire and earth henchies. Koss (hammer build whith lots of KDs. many people say heroes work bad whith hammers on their hands, but to the hell whith that since u dont have any human arround.... just call the targets and koss will folow them...things will dye dont worrie), Sousuke on SF with glowing and stuff and maybe Magrid or Morgan as spear chukers.

Next week i might do some stuff hard mode in Nightfall (would do other areas, but i only have completed Nightfall whith my paragon yet. It bores me to hell play pve whith heroes and hench) with my paragon. gimme a shout if u want some humans arround (no i'm not retard or bad payer, i only hate to play alone with H/H)

ING: Oo Deus Ex Oo

I hope i'v help you and get out of the usual stuff u'll read in here (not that things are bad, but just the same story all the time)

gl hf

1. [build prof=P/W spear=11+1+1 leader=11+1 command=8+1][swift javelin][vicious attack][save yourselves!][there's nothing to fear!][ebon battle standard of honor][for great justice!][focused anger][aggressive refrain][/build]

2. [build prof=P/any spear=12+1+1 leader=10+2 command=8+1][blazing spear][vicious attack][stunning strike][anthem of envy][anthem of flame][anthem of weariness][aggressive refrain][signet of return][/build]

3. [build prof=P/any spear=10+1 leader=11+1 motiva=10+1+1][spear of redemption][wild throw][merciless spear][song of purification][chorus of restoration][ballad of restoration][aggressive refrain][signet of return][/build]

4. [build prof=D/N blood=10 windp=11+1 mysti=10+1+1][arcane zeal][dark fury][order of pain][mystic healing][vow of piety][dwayna's touch][watchful intervention][faithful intervention][/build]

I run a standard imbagon with Sabway and he smashes through pretty much everything in HM. Other builds could be better. This one is damn easy.

Quote: Originally Posted by traversc

It might just be me, but on paper it doesn't look like it does much damage. +damage skills are very powerful. Spears are also powerful. Ebon Battle Standard of Honor is absurd.

Quote: Originally Posted by Xeng Suey

Why it always has to be discordway or sabway? DOnt mind answering, i alrdy know the answer: beacause people dont know how to play and N/Rts are the best heroes you can get.

How well i would say to the hell whith that bulls!t (no ofense to anyone). I'm telling you, if i had enough people i would do something like this: Well, I wouldn't use any other healer than an N/Rt or a Henchie, but I use Sab / Discord because I'm a lazy bastard who can't be bothered microing. ^_____________^

I agree with most of your post however, excluding the Searing Flames bit.

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It's difficult to deny paragons when they're giving you an implacable wall of defense through 10,000 different shouts.

I remember running 6 paragons, 1 nec, 1 monk in HM FoW; the moon ran boonprot

Discordway is lazy way, but you have much less defense.

I'd say racway, really good synergies, rly powerful. Another option is necroway, either normal sabway or discordway.

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i bolded the part where you messed up. try racway If it's good, then someone should be able to explain, don't just say "try it". I just don't see how it can be better than necroway.

Specifically, how do you get around blocking/enchants?? I mean, rhilon's refuge would be a HUGE pain to do without enchant removal.

And there's no MM?? MM's have been so awesome to me, why would you not have one?

Quote: Originally Posted by traversc

If it's good, then someone should be able to explain, don't just say "try it". I just don't see how it can be better than necroway.

Specifically, how do you get around blocking/enchants?? I mean, rhilon's refuge would be a HUGE pain to do without enchant removal. Rage more, your team is full of spearchukers, you just power through enchants, also, you can use your brain and give your d/n an enchant removal or rigor mortis if you hate blocking so badly, lol.

MM's are good but slow btw.

Quote: Originally Posted by traversc Specifically, how do you get around blocking/enchants?? I mean, rhilon's refuge would be a HUGE pain to do without enchant removal. Mirror of Disenchantment, Swear Swipe. Or just kill the 10 or so Droughtling's slowly.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Racthoh

Think this quote is appropriate: Racthoh, That didn't answer anything. Guild Wars isn't a simple system where you can just multiply x by itself to get f(x) and say "oh look a quadratic." Guild Wars can't be simulated in your brain or else there would be no point in playing guild wars at all. A newb who has never played guild wouldn't be able to compete with someone who's played a year, even if he studied wikia for 10 hours a day.

Which brings me back to necroway vs. paragonway. necroway does more damage on paper and more AoE and so to me, it looks like a better build. It also has more utility like enfeebling blood, body blocking minions and enchantment removal. I have never played paragonway, so I fully admit there could be something I do not understand about the build. Thus, I am asking which is better/faster/pros-cons etc, preferably from someone who has played both. I am also looking to generate discussion.

I'm not asking for people to tell me to "use my brain" by putting enchantment removal on an orders derv (lol?) or for someone to imply that I don't understand how skills work. I fully understand that you and others have more experience with HM vanquishing than I do - however, I don't believe that makes me deserving of asinine comments.

Quote: Originally Posted by traversc

Racthoh, That didn't answer anything. Guild Wars isn't a simple system where you can just multiply x by itself to get f(x) and say "oh look a quadratic." Guild Wars can't be simulated in your brain or else there would be no point in playing guild wars at all. A newb who has never played guild wouldn't be able to compete with someone who's played a year, even if he studied wikia for 10 hours a day.

Which brings me back to necroway vs. paragonway. necroway does more damage on paper and more AoE and so to me, it looks like a better build. It also has more utility like enfeebling blood, body blocking minions and enchantment removal. I have never played paragonway, so I fully admit there could be something I do not understand about the build. Thus, I am asking which is better/faster/pros-cons etc, preferably from someone who has played both. I am also looking to generate discussion.

I'm not asking for people to tell me to "use my brain" by putting enchantment removal on an orders derv (lol?) or for someone to imply that I don't understand how skills work. I fully understand that you and others have more experience with HM vanquishing than I do - however, I don't believe that makes me deserving of asinine comments. There are pros and cons to necroway vs paraway. Paraway has nicer synergy for a paragon but paraway does have problems in some areas in the game (e.g. Charrs outside Doomlore in Dalada Uplands, and symbiosis in northern shiverpeaks that affects your orders or hex heavy areas like Faintheartedness that can affect your rate of SY recharge through slowing down your attack speed) and you have to make big changes to accomodate these areas.