The height of Immaturity

One guy killing lots of stuff.. Group is moving through so they can prepare for the next area. They fall in radius of the drop zone. One of the nomadic group members gets a drop... Phantasmal Residue, or Ecto... Irrelivant... Maybe that stupid Sin should have hurried the fcku up and killed his group.. Then he wouldn't have had this problem now would he? Stupid sins are idiotic RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs. Don't piss and moan if you're slow. Other people are only in it for the End Chest because that's the only thing that gives them anything. RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing immature, self centered pricks!

Carnage.

Well there should be something that can be done and that is this, A-Net should ONLY give the drops to those that are in the AGRO BUBBLE. That will end it. If the sucker is not getting or taking damage or dealing damage or healing someone or hitting a button or has a skill recharging or some thing then the person that is sitting there twittling his thumbs getting drops should not get them at all.

The other thing is to somehow make a WALL of DISHONOR where by teammates -AFTER their runs can post to a "wall" at the outpost the name of someone that is a leacher or a thief.

It seems funny that there are reputation points in the game but they do not reflext the real rep that some of these guys are known for like (insert name here) and others that are leachers.

So until then write the names down on a pad of paper. and or add them to your friends list.. yes friends list so that you can see if they are on and playing a second toon with a name that you have not seen before.


Or just go solo with H/H that way all the drops are yours

Have you every 2 maned or 600/smite something, and it is assumed that if you are in a group every1 is doing something, which is why it could be a good thing if the /leech worked in pve

ANet isn't going to re-code anything just for 'farming' issues.

And that is even more true if you are doing a UWSC, as each team member has a basic function to fulfill otherwise that spot would be given to some other profession. And since everyone in the team is contributing to the team getting to the end chest, random drops assignment should not be an issue. That's the way it is every where else in the game, and that's way it is in UW. If you think that is unfair then just go solo farm some where and save some players your immature attitude.

UW HM SCs are plagued by greed and annoying little boys who want to get rich quick. Thats the only reason anyone goes on them is to get rich quick and that attracts the huge noobs who steal. I HAVE come across genuinely nice people on the runs, but predominantly, they are the biggest losers ever and thats why i stopped doing the run. (I played as HB monk in the old days and now play necro, and sometimes terra)

Half the time you don't even get into UW because everyone rages beforehand because of con prices and time restrictions.

My suggestion is that you don't go with anyone you don't really know and go into a guild that does this on a daily basis. I hate to generalize, but most people doing the UW runs are really really immature like that.

WOW carnage, all sins are pricks? nice. drops are randomly generated. on the whole one drop will not make or break someone doing speed clears. also soloing isnt a real efficient speed kill scenerio. i suppose depending on the build. Bottom line i guess is if you dont like how things pan out in a "group" then solo. its the only way to avoid it all together.



Cronk

I am compelled to ask..have you ever even been on a speed clear?

yes ive done a few UWSC. not 34 in a row mind you but a few. ive done enough to know that 1 ecto does not make or break a run. i do agree with the OP though. no matter what ya do or where ya do it youll run into people that will train wreck a run because they act like a damn 2 yr old.



Cronk

Ya you're absolutely right, an 11 min full UW HM run is way too slow.

petrus, you completely missed what i was tryin to say. anyways this thread has become rather repetitive. i was just tryin to make an opposing point. WTF was i thinkin. ya think 6 pages is sufficient to discuss that one ecto and that one guy that made everyone mad?




Cronk

Just for the record i dont consider a 8 man team SC solo.


FYI.... 11 minutes is pretty damned impressive. kudos on that. my point still remains though. there can be an A-hole in any group. and they can destroy an otherwise solid run.

A complex system of norms has evolved among the hardcore UW crowd.

The problem with the system of norms is that it's not enforceable when novices or PUGs are present. Player B tells Player A, "community rules say that item is mine, give it to me", but player A already has the item.

The threatened punishment is "blacklisting", or exclusion from future groups by the present set of player. However, if player A doesn't know the rules, it's unlikely that player A is skilled enough that a group that knows the rules would prefer to take that player in the future in any event. So the punishment isn't much of a punishment, and the contract isn't enforceable.

It's perfectly reasonable for Player A to in turn interpret this as exploitation and tell Player B and the remainder of the group where to go.

All of this is complicated by the fact that the UW groups have a major selection effect - the players are all there to make money, so they all want to maximize their individual returns from each run. The problem wouldn't be as serious if UW were not the common destination for players seeking to increase their in-game wealth through playing the game. Norms work well in tight-knit communities, but tend to fail as community size becomes large.

The lesson: don't expect to be able to enforce exotic rules of behavior in groups containing players not socialized to the rules. Build your groups from your friends list, or expect the item assignment system to govern. End of story.

Each member in the the UWSC team is soloing an area (except the vale team). But I understand your point now, my apologies.

ok happened once again last night here is how it layed out

we doign a group mostly friends and this one pug was soppose to do plains i was doing pools.
i gte done with pool sat like 8 min from start , i took my tim ei knew the plains guy was a pug and most pugs take 10 min from start to pop the reaper.

so i get on plans at 10 min and what doyou know nthing by where reaper point was killed the guy had some minblades on pits side andkilling things you dont kill part of your job. so im like fine if he wants to farm then i will clewar around the reaper while he does this.

about half way through the guy kills somehting and drops a ecto for me , 3 kill later drops another one for me. he like give them to me or i kill reaper, at this tim e i almost had reaper poped just spiders left, but the thign he was killing i didnt know if it was the 6 or 9 from the side by pits or not, becuz he killed the riders on that side already.

so to be safe i was going to wait to see, so i go pick up my ecto, yes i relize he killed it but he had golds drop for him form things i killed thats how it works, i did nt ask for anythign other then for him to do his job.

so anyways the guy kept saying i was a scammer and a noob that hes going to report me for leeching, and sooo on for about 10 min , then he drags about 6 minblades to dryders and was abotu to killthem so i stood next to him they used lava font, he almost died then ran away, told him to just finish the run time runniogn out on cons so the group can finsh. and all he would say is report scammer and so on and son well i did mange to kill minblades he had and pop the reaper safely, he then teled to pools grabed the blacknessand killed the reaper.

guys liek this should really not play any games with anyone ts childish and rude, doesnt care about anyone but himself, i was willing to give him the ecto as long as he stopped farmign being men and just finsh run, but no i was more worried about finshing then 10k , i would have happly gave it to him

I lol'ed

I almost felt compelled to defend sins but then again, as everyone knows, stupid 'insert any class here' are idiotic... so you've got a point.

...and there are lots

So, um... then why didn't you?

Seems to me that people like this are kind of the price of doing business, as it were, and you have to be prepared for the fact that every so often you're going to get randoms like this. Why not just give the crybaby his/her ecto and save the run, add them to your ignore list so you know not to group with them again and have done with it?

Uh, if whoever leeched it doesn't give it back, I wouldn't have any other thought on my mind but to wipe the run. I don't give a crap, don't give me what is MINE, I'll screw you over.

If it was YOURS it would have YOUR NAME on it. Of course yes, screw the whole run and cost yourself the end chest, thats much more logical after all....

I <3 this guy.

thanks for clearing up some of the misunderstanding in this thread, players feel this kind of frustration on a daily basis

11 mins.... that double the time i spend on this post lol

Now that's a great idea, here is another one --> uninstall

I love it when Chamber sins etc whine about a leeched ecto that the Necro or Vale sin happened to get while running through the Chamber to go to their areas. Even if they waited til the Chamber sin killed everything and an ecto dropped for them, it's a stupid 5k. One MEASELY ecto.

If you are doing UWSC, unless you're a Terra, you're not going to get many ectos. If you want ectos, solo Chaos Plains or Wastes or go duo 600/smite. UWSC is for endchest hunting, not Ecto farming.

Heck, you want ecto? Go farm FoW, sell the Shards to desperate people for 3k and/or convert to Ectos.

My suggestion for you:

Quit GW and any other MMOs, 'cause not only will you not screw others over, but others will screw you over, for being a dumbass and a mindless idiot, all at the same time. "Oh, he took an ecto of mine, I need to get revenge....how shall I do it? Oh, I know! I will screw the entire party who has done NOTHING against me over, while letting the leecher get away happy, this way I will look AND feel so tough, YEAH!."

Yeah, you are SO tough, boy.

There is no "i" in "team". There are, however, three "i"s in "selfish idiot". enough said?

I thought this thread would be about me.

But its not.

Therefore this thread is full of lies.

I'm telling mom!

Sounds like the other sin got lucky while he happened to be nearby. Also sounds like your bitching about it made him want to teach you a lesson in respect
job done, he's happily gone about his business while your still wasting your time over it...
get over it, get another sin and start again, thats pugs for ya!

Spoken like a true leeroy, you've obviously never played a ranged char, many of whom purposely stay out of aggro so that their little leeroy can hold aggro and they can keep him alive and kill everything. Are you suggesting your bonder, HP monk, 1HP BiP or famine/eoe ranger etc shouldn't get their share? They did change the code to make power levelling harder a couple of years back, and again to reduce drops of gold farmers with scaling and differences solo/parties, but your idea is just daft. If you spot a leecher in your party not doing anything point it out to the team, you can always regroup in town and restart, its a pain but that IS all you can do about it and it ain't that big an issue to start changing code over.

Only real thing they could do is to update the ignore list, make it bigger, make it impossible to join a party with any account on your ignore list (this might be better as optional)

so getting a drop assigned to you is considered "leeching" now ?

PvE'ers get more insane every minute it seems.

Maybe no "i" in Team but there is a "me" in Team...

Anyway, same old same old - "I did the work, therefore the drops should be mine". If it's an issue, go in solo and clear the chamber otherwise people should accept there are others in the team perfectly entitled to a random drop and move on. Or quit the game

Indeed, the insanity takes a new and varied twist!!