Sabway or Discordway for normal PvE?
kai4321
Well I just finished the quest to get Livia and I have heard a lot about how good sabway/discordway are. Now I want to know which would be best in NM and maybe some HM and also in 8-man areas what would be good to get as hench or does it not matter too much?
Hanma l
IMO go discord way it has worked great for me and if u can get a partner to do whatever it is that u wanna do hm or nm run dual discord it is awesome makes hm look like child's play. U can find the team build in wiki
realtalk916
i dont really like sabway, but i think discord works great, but discord works really great in hm for sure, when u have a partner running discord also
upier
I used Sabway for ages. Well, tbh - I pretty much started using it after everyone moved onto Discord-way ...
Yeah, I am a bit slow ...
I just didn't have any need for it.
Now I am running around with Discord - and I prefer it. Discord-way is MUCH more flexible since you pretty much just need high Death + Discord and you fill up the rest of the bar with goodies you need/like. That way I get things that work (eg. the massive Discord damage) and I still get to keep the sandbox (eg. the half-empty skillbars that I get to fill) to play around in.
Superb thing for a big child such as myself!
Yeah, I am a bit slow ...
I just didn't have any need for it.
Now I am running around with Discord - and I prefer it. Discord-way is MUCH more flexible since you pretty much just need high Death + Discord and you fill up the rest of the bar with goodies you need/like. That way I get things that work (eg. the massive Discord damage) and I still get to keep the sandbox (eg. the half-empty skillbars that I get to fill) to play around in.
Superb thing for a big child such as myself!
wind fire and ice
I've ran both,and i prefer discord,though if your a prof like monk who cant really spread conds or hexes,id go with sabway.
Super Igor
Sabway, because everyone gets pissed when I say so.
beserk
For Nm why dont you just roll 3 SF eles? Sab and Dis are more suited for HM tbh.
izzywish
IMHO Disway is much faster and stronger. In a 2 person 8 build I run a Prot monk and drop a RF nec and find very few occasions where I panic these days! 
Molock
I still run sabway, although my version is quite heavily modified to accomodate my profession. Anyway, sabway works great in HM but discord is perhaps a little stronger in HM. I don' think using sabway in NM will be a problem.
Raku Clayman
I've used Sabway for a long time and it works for me in every situation. I use it in NM, HM, Vanquishing, etc. It allows me to do H and H without having to rely on someone else.
Numa Pompilius
Yeah, gotta agree with everyone else: Discordway.
Just out of personal curiosity, when you guys say "discordway" do you mean with three minionmasters as in PvXwiki, or do you mean the 'original' discordway with 1 N/Mo minionmaster and two N/Rt healers?
Just out of personal curiosity, when you guys say "discordway" do you mean with three minionmasters as in PvXwiki, or do you mean the 'original' discordway with 1 N/Mo minionmaster and two N/Rt healers?
The forth fly
Discord-with my monk i did all but 1 HM tyria mission discordway,all hero/hench no other player needed only problem is it makes the game to easy
Shursh
sabway for NM because it's faster
discord in HM because it's faster and you have more minions for meat shield
discord in HM because it's faster and you have more minions for meat shield
Capua
I have switched back and forth from both, but I have to say I prefer Sabway.
Karate Jesus
If you have two people for HM run discord way. If you're vanquishing by yourself, I'd sabway. That's the way I always choose
Improvavel
Or you can always run sabway way with discord as the elite 
Karate Jesus
Quote:
Originally Posted by Improvavel
Or you can always run sabway way with discord as the elite
That's pretty much exactly what discordway is. Lol.
That's pretty much exactly what discordway is. Lol.
Xenomortis
The thing about Discord, is the bar of your three heroes is still pretty much empty. You can still give one of them some minions and death nova and a couple of prots or heals if need be. One of them can still run a N/Rt well (well, two of them can). Your bar will probably be the most fleshed out as you need to make sure the enemies meet the requirements for discord.
Someone said, Discordway is basically Sabway but with the elites replaced with Discord.
Although I don't much like what is recommended on PvX wiki, especially the use of rotting flesh.
Someone said, Discordway is basically Sabway but with the elites replaced with Discord.
Although I don't much like what is recommended on PvX wiki, especially the use of rotting flesh.
Masao
I use Discordway. Main is a monk. However, both Discord builds as posted on PvX are horrible.
Triple minion master and MM + 2 N/Rts are just bad builds.
I'll post my build later on when I get back to my place. I go Mo/A with Castigation Signet for e-management and Scourge Healing for spiking monks and rits. I have one dedicated bomber MM, a dedicated Resto, and the last is a split between a bomber and Curses spammer.
Rotting Flesh is a terribad skill. Weaken Armor and Enfeebling Blood are sexy.
Triple minion master and MM + 2 N/Rts are just bad builds.
I'll post my build later on when I get back to my place. I go Mo/A with Castigation Signet for e-management and Scourge Healing for spiking monks and rits. I have one dedicated bomber MM, a dedicated Resto, and the last is a split between a bomber and Curses spammer.
Rotting Flesh is a terribad skill. Weaken Armor and Enfeebling Blood are sexy.
MercenaryKnight
Discord as long as you can provide the condition and hex. Such as running /assassin for an ap nuker works no matter what char you run.
It just can't be beaten by sabway in quickly spiking down enemies. Sabway was made to live out the while aoe spells like SS chip away at a whole group. Discord effectively spikes an enemy down to death within like 5 seconds. And is ready to spike down again every time just about.
When I run a 6man variant I give each char 1 curse necro, 1 minion bomber, 1 restoration healer.
I still need to tweak out my curse build and figure out something decent to give them. Usually slap enfeebling blood on one, weaken armor on the other. Then suffering and shadow of fear for an attempt at aoe hex.
I only run them as 1 of each because I get too lazy to change builds when it comes to splitting like Golem mission or other missions in nf where you effectively need to split into 2 4man teams.
It just can't be beaten by sabway in quickly spiking down enemies. Sabway was made to live out the while aoe spells like SS chip away at a whole group. Discord effectively spikes an enemy down to death within like 5 seconds. And is ready to spike down again every time just about.
When I run a 6man variant I give each char 1 curse necro, 1 minion bomber, 1 restoration healer.
I still need to tweak out my curse build and figure out something decent to give them. Usually slap enfeebling blood on one, weaken armor on the other. Then suffering and shadow of fear for an attempt at aoe hex.
I only run them as 1 of each because I get too lazy to change builds when it comes to splitting like Golem mission or other missions in nf where you effectively need to split into 2 4man teams.
Masao
Merc makes a few good points but I'll point out a few things he didn't say yet, or that I don't agree 100% with.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
Quote:
Quote: Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
It just can't be beaten by sabway in quickly spiking down enemies. Sabway was made to live out the while aoe spells like SS chip away at a whole group. Discord effectively spikes an enemy down to death within like 5 seconds. And is ready to spike down again every time just about.
Sabway is more about the Jagged bomber finishing off groups, the SS is just dessert.Quote: Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
When I run a 6man variant I give each char 1 curse necro, 1 minion bomber, 1 restoration healer.
Same. Unless you mean 6 heroes. In that case I use a Jagged bomber, a Discord bomber, a Discord Resto healer, a Discord Resto protter or Prot Prayers protter, a Discord Curse spammer, and a Discord Channeling spammer.Quote:
The only "ridculously bad player" here is... I mean: scourge healing and castigation signet.... And lol@ using cracked armor to do more damage in discordway. ~90% of your damage is armor ignoring, buddy. Heck, even sabway doesn't use cracked armor.
Quote:
RF is a 3 sec spammable skill.
Your guys are already not spamming Discord as much as they could be because you are already running those 3 sec minions. No need to make them cast it even less. Rotting flesh potentially saves time since it does away with needing to recast a condition. It has the hugest effective AoE and lasts, like, forever. 3 seconds isn't that big a deal, honestly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by traversc
The only "ridculously bad player" here is... I mean: scourge healing and castigation signet....
Your guys are already not spamming Discord as much as they could be because you are already running those 3 sec minions. No need to make them cast it even less. Rotting flesh potentially saves time since it does away with needing to recast a condition. It has the hugest effective AoE and lasts, like, forever. 3 seconds isn't that big a deal, honestly.
Quote:
P/A.|
And if your disease does 500+ damage - you seriously need to learn how to kill faster.
Math: lets say you're fighting a mob of 6 and you kill on average every 6 seconds (INCREDIBLY generous in more difficult areas). That's 112 second-monsters of disease. At 4 pips lasting a maximum of 26 seconds (IIRC), that's 896. Realistically, it takes time to spread due to spacing. Say 3 seconds or so. 112-3*6 gives 752. Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's still triple digit damage, easily.
Masao
Quote:
Originally Posted by traversc
|
Quote:
If you're too stupid to understand this I don't know what to say to you.
Castigation Signet = the sole form of e-management that monks have to allow them to keep spamming the four skills that are standard in Discordway. I can spam all 4 skills on every mob with Castigation Signet.
Scourge Healing takes care of all mobs with multiple healers in them. Nothing could be more valuable than a skill which will near instantly spike a healer to death if you're only running 3 Discord heroes and they continue to top up their HP.
A Discordway monk is NOT a monk.
Quote: Originally Posted by traversc
And lol@ using cracked armor to do more damage in discordway. ~90% of your damage is armor ignoring, buddy. Heck, even sabway doesn't use cracked armor.
We're talking about Discordway, not Sabway. Weakness increases minion damage. I constantly have over 15 minions out blocking and frontlining. Cracked Armor = more damage.
How about skills that aren't shit.
Quote:
If you're too stupid to understand this I don't know what to say to you.
Why play a class whose strengths bring nothing to the table? Or do you admit your build is subpar? (You should)Quote:
Quote: Castigation Signet = the sole form of e-management that monks have to allow them to keep spamming the four skills that are standard in Discordway. I can spam all 4 skills on every mob with Castigation Signet. No it's NOT the sole form of e-management lol.
Quote:
Quote:
Name another consistent spammable form of nearly unconditional e-management from the Monk class. |
A Discordway monk is NOT a monk.
You're right, it's subpar. Quote:
How is my build subpar for H/H VQing?
Quote:
No it's NOT the sole form of e-management lol.
|
Quote:
I don't think you understand how scourge healing works. There is no "spike" involved.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by traversc
You're right, it's subpar.
Again, constant spam of PvE skills can't possibly be subpar when I'm able to VQ areas without a single death, and in 75% of the time Sabway users do it. Oh yeah, in case you forgot I'm H/Hing all of this. Quote:
|