Sabway or Discordway for normal PvE?
distilledwill
Discord is freaking awesome, whatever the mode. Although it was originally designed for HM, its even more effective in NM where the enemies have less health. Unfortunately, there is no better hero team at the moment for NM or HM. The only downside of Discordway in NM is that enemies are usually dead before you have a chance to do anything against them, as long as you equip the heroes with conditions and hexes.
AtomicMew
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Originally Posted by Masao
30 minions??? Okay... Triple MM ftw?
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There are no contradictions in any of my posts. If you would care to specifically point them out then I would accept such slander, but seeing as you have no evidence of any contradictory statements I have made, your point is moot.
Name some that are better for e-management.Oh, you can't.
Actually, I can.
Masao
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Originally Posted by traversc
30 minions??? Okay... Triple MM ftw? |
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All rezzes disabled and microed when needed, which is pretty much never. Run with whatever henches are available and have high damage output.
WoW on N/Rt is swapped out for another copy of Bone Minions in areas with large amounts of corpses or over 200+ mobs.
Never use the last two slots on my bar, so I usually take an in-combat rez and some random Smite. I never get a chance to use either skill and really have no reason to since I'm busy enough spamming the first 5.
EDIT: Something wrong with the bbCode, keeps making the builds PvP versions.
EDIT2: Another problem with the bbCode, it's listing Weaken Armor as a hex.
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Actually, I can.
Then make yourself useful to us and spill it instead of making unfounded claims.
Also, my monk is UAS and there is no better form of e-management than Castigation without maintaining enchants on myself or dropping AP. I've done my research.
Also, my monk is UAS and there is no better form of e-management than Castigation without maintaining enchants on myself or dropping AP. I've done my research.
Destro Maniak
I only use IV for SS other than that I use classic sabs MM and I use HB necro healer
AtomicMew
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Originally Posted by Masao
You stated you run with 30 minions. Your build does not have "30 minions." We are talking about hero/hench. I could care less about 2-man discordway atm.
You stated you kill ever 2 seconds. That's impossible considering discord doesn't even recharge fast enough. Also let's ignore the two facts that you need hex/condition primer, and that heroes have 7 other skills.
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Also, my monk is UAS and there is no better form of e-management than Castigation without maintaining enchants on myself or dropping AP. I've done my research.
Yes there IS better e-management available. It's called soul reaping. Note that I'm not even saying discordway + monk is bad - I'm just saying it's inferior, as monk primary brings nothing to the table compared to necro or even mesmer. Hence, you are forced to use **** like castigation signet. Quote:
My build runs with 30 minions depending on the area. Read my post.
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By the time the mob winds down (I usually draw two groups at a time since minions will bodyblock all damage and AoE will kill faster, speeding up my VQ time), I can just AP and Finish Him! to kill the majority of the mobs, and Discord won't even matter.
Usually the last 4-5 mobs take only 3/4 of a second to kill, and quite often I can't even get off a cast of AP before they're killed.
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Yes there IS better e-management available. It's called soul reaping. Note that I'm not even saying discordway + monk is bad - I'm just saying it's inferior, as monk primary brings nothing to the table compared to necro or even mesmer. Hence, you are forced to use **** like castigation signet.
In case you didn't know, you can't spec Soul Reaping on a monk.
The entire point of Discordway is to make VQing easy for any class of character who has 3 Necro heroes. My main is a monk. This has nothing to do with having a Necro or Mesmer main. There is no better e-management for a Mo/A running Discordway than Castigation Signet.
You fail to argue against this point entirely.
Hex/Condition primer takes 3/4 of a second to cast, Discord takes 1 second to cast, Finish Him! to seal the kill is instant.
Discord doesn't even recharge fast enough for you to be able to kill once every 2 seconds. Just admit you are wrong... seriously. It IS very fast, so fast that it seems faster than it actually is. Creating minions take time, and you have 2 of them.... Realistically, it's like every 4-6 seconds depending. You seem to think that ur pro since you can easily vanquish an area with stupid amounts of bodies with triple necro and 3x MM (lol).
In case you didn't know, you can't spec Soul Reaping on a monk.
Not a contradiction, because throwing a single skill to use corpses doesn't make a character into an archtype.
Throwing a Well on a character doesn't make it a Wells, now does it?
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Originally Posted by traversc
Yes like death nova, feast of the dead, prot spirit,MBaS, spirit lightenfeebling blood, barbs, weaken armor are so long recharge. Oh wait not. Oh wait, over half your skills BESIDES discord are short recharging.
For one, you can key a Hero skill to cast immediately on recharge.The entire point of Discordway is to make VQing easy for any class of character who has 3 Necro heroes. My main is a monk. This has nothing to do with having a Necro or Mesmer main. There is no better e-management for a Mo/A running Discordway than Castigation Signet.
You fail to argue against this point entirely.
Yes like death nova, feast of the dead, prot spirit,MBaS, spirit lightenfeebling blood, barbs, weaken armor are so long recharge. Oh wait not. Oh wait, over half your skills BESIDES discord are short recharging.
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In case you didn't know, you can't spec Soul Reaping on a monk.
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The thing is, it's not triple MM. Minions are solely used to bodyblock. Out of the three Necros, only one is a dedicated MM.
The entire point of Discordway is to make VQing easy for any class of character who has 3 Necro heroes. My main is a monk. This has nothing to do with having a Necro or Mesmer main. There is no better e-management for a Mo/A running Discordway than Castigation Signet.
Wow missing the point entirely. I'm just going to copasta what I've already typed since you apparently don't read. "Note that I'm not even saying discordway + monk is bad - I'm just saying it's inferior, as monk primary brings nothing to the table compared to necro or even mesmer. Hence, you are forced to use **** like castigation signet."
Masao
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Originally Posted by traversc
You didn't originally state a 30 minion build, and then later changed your stance when I called u out on it. Also: triple MM are terribly bad builds. Gee I wonder who said that. |
Not a contradiction, because throwing a single skill to use corpses doesn't make a character into an archtype.
Throwing a Well on a character doesn't make it a Wells, now does it?
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Second, 9/21 isn't over half. Bone Minions realistically shouldn't even count seeing as it activates only when there is a corpse around. Also, after the first mob dies, it generally takes only one cast of Discord and Finish Him! to kill the rest since they've already taken a hit from one of the other AoE spells specced on a Necro.
Quote: Originally Posted by traversc Discord doesn't even recharge fast enough for you to be able to kill once every 2 seconds. Just admit you are wrong... seriously. It IS very fast, so fast that it seems faster than it actually is. Creating minions take time, and you have 2 of them.... Realistically, it's like every 4-6 seconds depending. You seem to think that ur pro since you can easily vanquish an area with stupid amounts of bodies with triple necro and 3x MM (lol).
Where are you getting that I think I'm pro? It's PvE for Christ's sake, everyone is a pro at it.
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In case you didn't know, you can't spec Soul Reaping on a monk.
Glad to see you finally understand that.
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