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Xeng Suey

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Somewhere I belong

Mo/

07 Nov 2008 at 11:46 - 81

What concerns GvG, i cant and i dont want to mention the importance of this skill update.

In other hand, what concerns HA, I just wanna apretiate the nerf on Blood skills. HA was getting anoying whith so many like suckers on it. Anayway, good update on it. Nice nerf on the ranger elite Expert's dextery aswell (ufortunatly, no nerfs done towards the whole Ranger Spike build

)

Its a pitty Essence of celerity been nerfed in PvE. I think this will put people apart from farming ectos on the way its been done for some months till now. However, there are some professions and skills that are not being much used, nowadays, in pve. Being so, if people stop QQing for a bit because Celerity has been nerfed (and, btw, notice a advantage of it: no more money spent in consumes. Is´t it wonderfull? well it fits to mee, cause i dont have much money

) they could realise that it can be possible to farm, whith new tactics and skills/builds, those big high-end pve areas. Just, lets think from our selfs, pls

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

07 Nov 2008 at 12:13 - 82

Let's hope for a change in SF next week.

NoXiFy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

★☆٭Ńēŵ~ŶờЯК٭☆★

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/Me

07 Nov 2008 at 12:16 - 83

Wow you people bitch so much, this update was awesome! B-spike was the most retarded build in HA and GvG because it rolled through high-ranked balanced teams. Having a prot and an infuse was terrible cause prot can only heal with divine favor -_-. Also, rangerspike was the second most retarded build although I think the real problem is Glass Arrows, ED is a start. Scamming option is pretty damn stupid imo cause people are retarded. If someone trades you 10 ecto for 500g by accident, is that scamming? Or is that them being retarded.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

07 Nov 2008 at 12:20 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

Lindsey was right, this was a monster update. Totally on par with the sorrow's furnace update I'm sure, if not bigger.

I totally forgive the delays to this and the next update, especially in view of the raw size of the update. Careful skill balancing is an art, I can only imagine the hardships Lindsey's gone through for this one. GG! Really.

I'm so happy I delayed my nap-time by a few hours, this update was well worth a little wait. Can't wait to test out all the changes tomorrow, my mind is already toying with all sorts of ideas for new builds. Once again, awesome!

That update is next week.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

07 Nov 2008 at 12:58 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Anyone wanna save me reading 5 pages and summarise why scrubs are whining THIS time?

The big one is that Essence of Celerity duration reduced to 20% from 25%.
This means that UWSC ARE REEUINED! ARGHH! ILL ENVER PALY GW AGAIN! GGANET!

Because as we all know bringing bringing Glyph of Swiftness AND Deadly Paradox is just impossible and completely ruins the build and run and leads to the downfall of life and civilization as we know it.

Wild Rituals

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2008

NZ

Frenzy More [Plz]

Mo/W

07 Nov 2008 at 13:19 - 86

I belive For once im gonig to have to agree with Noxify
As for consumables If u cant Pve without them Your Doing something wrong

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

07 Nov 2008 at 13:25 - 87

I am complaining about the nurf. Geesh. I never got to use that skill before the nerf. I never used any of these except to gaze upon someone. I like that one lengthened. Go Necro nancy

Chucky333

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

Mo/

07 Nov 2008 at 13:37 - 88

This update is good.
Wtf is wrong with you people bitching and QQing?
After seeing what's ANet's "rebalancing" and "buffing unused skills" updates cause in pvp i don't have a remote clue why any of you still want them to do it.
I'd rather see more of these purely killing OP shit updates.
ED and B-spike were broken and now they're gone, i'm interested in seeing what are all the bspike guilds gonna try to run to stay on the top 100.
About essences.. well i just dont believe this. its just funny how there's always PvE'rs to cry about ANet not allowing them to get everything in PvE done by rolling your head on the keyboard mindlessly.
GG Anet, problems are not solved yet but these was the most urgent stuff needed to be killed in GvG (and if you read the notes youll see that this update was GvG focused).

hallomik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

The Illini Tribe

N/Mo

07 Nov 2008 at 13:52 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoXiFy

Scamming option is pretty damn stupid imo cause people are retarded. If someone trades you 10 ecto for 500g by accident, is that scamming? Or is that them being retarded.

If you agreed to by 50k and put up 500g hoping the other person isn't paying attention, then yeah it is scamming. If you don't think most people would catch this lame effort and (now easily) make a report, then good luck trying try to rip someone off.

As for the supposed abuse, any time a report is made, someone from anet reviews the chat logs between the players before issuing the ban. False reports can result in a ban against the person making the report. "Oh noes, Abuse" is basically a non-issue.

The primary benefit is that a whole lot of would-be scammers will think twice now about potentially losing their accounts over some platinum - improving the game for all.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

07 Nov 2008 at 14:14 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

The primary benefit is that a whole lot of would-be scammers will think twice now about potentially losing their accounts over some platinum - improving the game for all.

You mean the same way that the AFK-bastards now think twice about leeching at Aspy because of the superb report system?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

07 Nov 2008 at 14:36 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

You mean the same way that the AFK-bastards now think twice about leeching at Aspy because of the superb report system?

Do you remember how bad it was? There is a ton less of them than there used to be. I haven't seen more than 1 in a game even.

hallomik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

The Illini Tribe

N/Mo

07 Nov 2008 at 14:43 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

You mean the same way that the AFK-bastards now think twice about leeching at Aspy because of the superb report system?

Dishonor points <> Account Ban.

If confirmed scamming, like leeching, resulted in the application if dishonor points, then you would have a point.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

07 Nov 2008 at 14:45 - 93

Quote:

The primary benefit is that a whole lot of would-be scammers will think twice now about potentially losing their accounts over some platinum - improving the game for all.

The main flaw with the scamming report function (and the report system in general) is that if the person you are reporting leaves the district before you get the chance to report them, you can't.

So really, as long as you cannot report someone that isn't in the district, this is quite useless. Any scammer who knows how the report system works (which is most likely a lot) is going to leave the district after scamming.

Dronte

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Sep 2006

07 Nov 2008 at 15:38 - 94

Four skill nerfs, 3 for the same teambuild. GG, thats for 1 month.

super strokey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Soviet Canuckistan

N/

07 Nov 2008 at 15:38 - 95

I thought this was supposed to be a huge update as the last months update was tiny?

super strokey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Soviet Canuckistan

N/

07 Nov 2008 at 15:40 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

That update is next week.

I see, but i wouldnt hold my breath on that

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

E/

07 Nov 2008 at 15:40 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dronte

Four skill nerfs, 3 for the same teambuild. GG, thats for 1 month.

its just enough for this month why would we need more? (not sarcasm..)

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

07 Nov 2008 at 15:42 - 98

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

Do you remember how bad it was? There is a ton less of them than there used to be. I haven't seen more than 1 in a game even.

Yeah, now people play and you WISH they'd leech instead ...

I ran into a FoW+chaos gloves-wearing God Walking that leeched Aspy yesterday.
If a person that invested so much time into a character isn't afraid to leech ... then I don't see the thing working. (Ohh and he was one of the 3 people that leeched from the start with one additional guy leaving after seeing that. Fun match ...)

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

Dishonor points <> Account Ban.

If confirmed scamming, like leeching, resulted in the application if dishonor points, then you would have a point.

You mean that people who are constantly reported for leeching aren't in danger of being banned?
Wait, why the hell do I even bother with that crap then!
Dish is crap - I want those RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers banned - at least if I report them multiple times per day on multiple days. And multiple months.

Seriously - it's really just Dish? No ban-threat?

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

07 Nov 2008 at 15:48 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molock

The update was good, ED and bloodspike were hit. "After seeing [ED bars] in action for a while, we believe we may need to do further fine-tuning." is a good sign to me, it means they reduced it effectiveness now (which was very much needed) and will perhaps try and find a way to better balance it. They also avoided pointless skill changes like the change to [Meteor] from last month.

There wasn't anything wrong with the [Meteor] change. Izzy can add small buffs to 100 underpowered skills for all it really matters and it doesn't make an update bad. What makes an update bad is not nerfing obviously overpowered or ridiculously stupid/simple crap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

The big one is that Essence of Celerity duration reduced to 20% from 25%.
This means that UWSC ARE REEUINED! ARGHH! ILL ENVER PALY GW AGAIN! GGANET!
Because as we all know bringing bringing Glyph of Swiftness AND Deadly Paradox is just impossible and completely ruins the build and run and leads to the downfall of life and civilization as we know it.

No it doesn't lead to the end of civilization, it leads to communism taking over the world. Read the EoC thread where I proved the logical inevitability of this plzkthx.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

The main flaw with the scamming report function (and the report system in general) is that if the person you are reporting leaves the district before you get the chance to report them, you can't.

So really, as long as you cannot report someone that isn't in the district, this is quite useless. Any scammer who knows how the report system works (which is most likely a lot) is going to leave the district after scamming.

Yeah, but at most each scammer is only going to be able to jump to another district once or twice, then they are out of districts to hit. Unless they get really lucky and find someone dumb enough to trade ectos for 100 gold each in their first 3 tries they got nothing, and they are risking a particularly dedicated player who might switch districts to try and find them. I don't know how often the scammers find someone who gets tricked, but I would hope most players don't fall for it and the only way they get money is the 1 in 100 person who doesn't check.

On the other hand, I feel anyone dumb enough to be scammed deserved it, so the idea of reporting people for scamming when you were the player who clicked accept is /fail as far as i'm concerned.

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

07 Nov 2008 at 16:04 - 100

Lol and this is just the warmup whine for this month.

Next week could be epic.

On topic though didnt i've never played against the blood build but it was plain retarded and nice to see it didn't take tooooo long (relatively speaking) for them to dispose of its effectiveness somewhat.

Banane-O-Man

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

A/

07 Nov 2008 at 16:14 - 101

So we always have to have the people that insults, bitches (excuse me for my language) and cries about the updates? Can't you people just say thank you maturaly? Seriously, this update was decent, the tonic is fun and the skill nerf is more for the GvG/HA area.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

07 Nov 2008 at 16:37 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chucky333

This update is good.
Wtf is wrong with you people bitching and QQing?

I must say that this update is an alright update, but it's still lacking some treatment to other things.

I'm glad to see the nerf to EDex and Bloodspike though. Observe was at the peak of lameness, for me at least.

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

07 Nov 2008 at 16:47 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

I must say that this update is an alright update, but it's still lacking some treatment to other things.

I'm glad to see the nerf to EDex and Bloodspike though. Observe was at the peak of lameness, for me at least.

These are my thoughts. Anet could do quite a bit more but they just aren't going to make things great again without a complete overhaul of half the game. Even if they did do that PvP and high end PvE will never be great again because it's playerbase has stagnated and devolved. Balance is the probably close to best I can remember since nightfall release, but the game is never going to return to the greatness it was pre nightfall. At best we can wish for small improvements every once in a while and hope GW2 can start with a fresh slate and revitalize things.

Hailey Anne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/E

07 Nov 2008 at 17:00 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Because as we all know bringing bringing Glyph of Swiftness AND Deadly Paradox is just impossible and completely ruins the build and run and leads to the downfall of life and civilization as we know it.

The main thing they are complaining about this nerf is for the E/As because they cant perma form without consumables.

jaximus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

wisc

07 Nov 2008 at 17:10 - 105

it mostly leads back to the prot monk. the ed bars get eaten up by prot spirit but the monk cant spam it like the ranger can, target change = gg. as for the blood stuff, again, life steal bypasses the prot. once again, wtb old xinraes wep? prot keeps balance. look at the skills they use for balance benchmarks, rof, rc, ps. i think this is a good update, and i think it came at a good time. i like to see a shakeup in the rankings. i enjoy that. new teams got maybe to ranks they shouldnt have, but then the teams that are good need to work back to the top. they have to strengthen their team work and tactics. i like to see the little builds worked in before the big ones. then teams have to think a little bit before they move on to the next FotM build. it if was up to me, id have weekly changes to skills bringing a cycle of skills through.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

07 Nov 2008 at 18:50 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

As for the supposed abuse, any time a report is made, someone from anet reviews the chat logs between the players before issuing the ban. False reports can result in a ban against the person making the report. "Oh noes, Abuse" is basically a non-issue.

This is completely wrong. Stop talking about things you do not know about.

First off it is easy to send messages to someone accusing them of scamming before /report.

Second off, I can guarantee they do not review evey report. It appears that multiple reporting over a short period is perceived as validity of reporting when it may be nothing more than organized reporting. I have seen people get banned mid pvp match because of organized reporting of the other team. Now we are talking about clearly biased people (opponents) and how they are getting an distinct in-game advantage due to the report feature.

Anyone that says "Anet reviews all reports" or "Anet will ban the abusers" is talking about something they do not know. All of my personal empirical experience and the experience of all the people I play with says that Anet does not review every report and in fact reviews very few reports.

An 'easy to use' report system creates a lot of reports, which all have to be filtered through. Honestly the part of me that has done moderation cringes when I think about all of the reports that are being filed. There is no way their small staff can handle all of them even giving a quick glance. What's worse about this system, is that when people receive punishments from it, it only encourages the accusers to make further reports. So even if the game gets improved, one could not perceive this by looking at the numer of reports.

Gregslot

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Me/

07 Nov 2008 at 18:55 - 107

This was a very bad balance update.
Hire me with half of is salary and ill balance twice as better, wich is going to be like, 8 skills a MONTH? 30 days for this?

I was surely hoping for much much more, since its a MONTLY update.

Nanood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Supermans Crystal Palace

Legion Of The Dark Sun

07 Nov 2008 at 20:20 - 108

lol at all the QQing. Keep the updates coming. The only people needed in the game are those that enjoy playing the game. Lets balance the QQers right out of it.

Go Lindsey.

LifesRestorer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

London, England

Mo/

07 Nov 2008 at 20:21 - 109

just because the changes implimented were good doesn't mean it's a satisfactory update. it's like doing a project, doing the first page perfect and then not even bothering to do the rest of the project.

This update lacked substance.

[Warrior's Endurance] lol

Calista Blackblood

Permanently Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Northern Ireland

Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide]

N/

07 Nov 2008 at 21:38 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

This change was not listed in the update notes, because it was intended to go live in the November 13 build.

At the moment, it's well past the end of the business day and almost everyone has already gone home. The Live Team will meet tomorrow when everyone is in the office to decide whether to do an emergency patch to restore the skill, or to allow the change to remain.

We're really sorry about this error.

This isn't directed at you Regina,but I can't grasp how two simultaneous updates have contained changes that weren't meant to be live for weeks.

1) The increased faction gain from Kurzick and Luxon blessing's(was as we know now,3 weeks early)
2) -5% HSR on the Essence(a week early of the build it was supposed to be in)

I don't know (and won't speak for anyone else) what is going on at ArenaNet,but it worries me that the game I play for most of my waking hours (on days off)over two years is taking this somewhat careless route

The Little Viking

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

innergalactic gargleblasters

W/Mo

07 Nov 2008 at 22:34 - 111

I for one could not care less about the skill update or the EoC being knocked down 5%. My question is what happened to this in the update? "Monday, October 27th 2008: Treasure Hunter and Wisdom title tracks will be made account-wide in the upcoming title balance build".(can be found here)
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...urdock/Journal
This is what i was looking forward to.
maybe in the next update.
Maybe I am just not reading this correctly...I don't know. I realize it says "upcoming title balance build", (title being the key word here) and that may be were I misunderstood the whole thing. Being as there were no "title" balances in the update, But for some reason, I truly did expect it with yesterdays update.
Not complaining, just curious.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

07 Nov 2008 at 22:41 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Little Viking

I for one could not care less about the skill update or the EoC being knocked down 5%. My question is what happened to this in the update? "Monday, October 27th 2008: Treasure Hunter and Wisdom title tracks will be made account-wide in the upcoming title balance build".(can be found here)
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...urdock/Journal
This is what i was looking forward to.
maybe in the next update.
Maybe I am just not reading this correctly...I don't know. I realize it says "upcoming title balance build", (title being the key word here) and that may be were I misunderstood the whole thing. Being as there were no "title" balances in the update, But for some reason, I truly did expect it with yesterdays update.
Not complaining, just curious.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10335487

Next week. It would have taken you 5 miniutes to find this.

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

08 Nov 2008 at 02:24 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

This isn't directed at you Regina,but I can't grasp how two simultaneous updates have contained changes that weren't meant to be live for weeks.

1) The increased faction gain from Kurzick and Luxon blessing's(was as we know now,3 weeks early)
2) -5% HSR on the Essence(a week early of the build it was supposed to be in)

I don't know (and won't speak for anyone else) what is going on at ArenaNet,but it worries me that the game I play for most of my waking hours (on days off)over two years is taking this somewhat careless route

I think the reason this is so difficult for you to grasp is that you don't have any insight into how the source code for GW works. The code that the Live Team has been preparing is completely integrated into the game. It's extremely difficult to do a build and not have a tiny bit slip out when content is integrated into the source code. There are no check boxes for "Goes Live" and "Doesn't Go Live". It's not modular. This means that the team has to go through the game's entire source code, looking for every single change that they've made, look for what they don't want to go live, and take it out. It's not just one file involved, either. It's a huge number of changes in many, many different files.

Here's what Linsey told me:

"It's like if you were baking a carrot cake, and just as you were getting ready to put it into the oven, you are told that you need to take out all the raisins. You can spend hours picking out dozens of raisins but one or two just might get through. Except the carrot cake is like the size of a man.

And with a build of this magnitude, there are just too many different things to remember and pick out."

So things will occasionally slip out.

So please, don't be too hard on them for missing one or two raisins.

lutz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Battery Powered Best Friends [Vibe]

Me/

08 Nov 2008 at 02:33 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

I think the reason this is so difficult for you to grasp is that you don't have any insight into how the source code for GW works. The code that the Live Team has been preparing is completely integrated into the game. It's extremely difficult to do a build and not have a tiny bit slip out when content is integrated into the source code. There are no check boxes for "Goes Live" and "Doesn't Go Live". It's not modular. This means that the team has to go through the game's entire source code, looking for every single change that they've made, look for what they don't want to go live, and take it out. It's not just one file involved, either. It's a huge number of changes in many, many different files.

Here's what Linsey told me:

"It's like if you were baking a carrot cake, and just as you were getting ready to put it into the oven, you are told that you need to take out all the raisins. You can spend hours picking out dozens of raisins but one or two just might get through. Except the carrot cake is like the size of a man.

And with a build of this magnitude, there are just too many different things to remember and pick out."

So things will occasionally slip out.

So please, don't be too hard on them for missing one or two raisins.

Right, because the database is just that bad that the "25%" element on Essence of Celerity is hardcoded 30 times over in the source code.
That just doesn't make sense. Either the Guild Wars source code is incredibly terrible and has absolutely 0 data abstraction or Regina has no clue what she is talking about.

I don't even care about PvE or Essence of Celerity, but I do care about Community Managers giving bad excuses.

Calista Blackblood

Permanently Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Northern Ireland

Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide]

N/

08 Nov 2008 at 02:38 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

So please, don't be too hard on them for missing one or two raisins.

Edited to save space :P. Food is my weakness so explaining it like cake was coincidentally a good idea (kudos to Linsey)

Thank you for the reply

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

08 Nov 2008 at 02:38 - 116

If Regina didn't have that smiley on the end, I'd believe she was being a complete GO RED ENGINE.

I do have to ask... who puts raisins in carrot cake?

OnTopic: The update didn't do much for me except provide more QQ entertainment to last until next week. I had just gotten sick of using Blood Magic on my Necromancer, so the change on Vampiric Spirit may have meant something...

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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08 Nov 2008 at 02:41 - 117

You guys are dumb.

What Regina means is;

They code all the changes, then remove them after testing. When they put through another update (while saving the removed ones for later) sometimes things stay in the code because they either forgot they were there, or they missed them.

What is hard to understand about that?

lutz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Battery Powered Best Friends [Vibe]

Me/

08 Nov 2008 at 02:46 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

You guys are dumb.

What Regina means is;

They code all the changes, then remove them after testing. When they put through another update (while saving the removed ones for later) sometimes things stay in the code because they either forgot they were there, or they missed them.

What is hard to understand about that?

What's hard to understand is why undocumented changes would be there in the first place. "I changed this for debugging - it lets you type /win to automatically win a match or /vod to bring a match to VoD immediately. I'll remember to change it back later." ...

fenix

Major-General Awesome

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08 Nov 2008 at 02:51 - 119

Well yeah, I understand what you mean lutz. The way I see it, Regina explained it perfectly, the problem is how the programmers could forget things...

But then, if they were meant to be part of the BIGGEST UPDATE EVAR OMG then I can see how they might have overlooked some minor changes.

lutz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Battery Powered Best Friends [Vibe]

Me/

08 Nov 2008 at 02:58 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Well yeah, I understand what you mean lutz. The way I see it, Regina explained it perfectly, the problem is how the programmers could forget things...

But then, if they were meant to be part of the BIGGEST UPDATE EVAR OMG then I can see how they might have overlooked some minor changes.

This means they don't document every change they do, and they sometimes miss things. Missed things = exploits.