Why is raptor farming so popular?

Welthas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

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why?


and how do you get to Hard Mode?

Mr.Kotte

Mr.Kotte

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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Its 30 free kills every 60 seconds. Every 95 second if you want to kill boss aswell, it has given my ele atleast 30 mil xp.
Hard mode: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hard_mode

Welthas

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Pennsylvania

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Well I have a Perma A/E silver sin

Huiboo

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Its so popular becouse of the high amount of foes that u can kill per minute.
Since there are no more expensive items that can be dropped by monsters (excepted UW and FoW) it doesnt matter what monsters u kill but only how many u kill.
The high amount of kills per minute makes this farm exspecially good for event farming + its one of the best ways to get asura rep pionts.

The original reason why this farm became so popular was that raptors could drop elemental swords which used to be really expensive.

Now that elemental swords are worthless many ppl prefer the veattir farm since the kills per minute ratio there is even higher.

theonetheonlybruce

theonetheonlybruce

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Join Date: Nov 2007

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simple
step 1)Get build
step 2)kill raptors
step 3)?????
step 4)~~profit~~

pistolsforever

pistolsforever

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Join Date: Apr 2007

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No. Don't listen to them!

The profit is generally small! You make your money out of unid golds and vendor junk. Assassin tomes are almost worthless now, ie time taken to sell them doesnt justify selling them in the first place.

The real reason its so popular is because its easy. Anyone with half a brain can do it. Its also safe and, of course, one of the best ways of getting asura points, which are quite difficult to get compared with, for example, dwarven points.

Nodakim

Nodakim

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Hrvatska

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Hell Yeah!30k per hour is very small!
Because thats how much i earn....i get a lot of black and white dye,unids(600 g each),lockpicks and curently ToT
It is easy and good for asura farming too...

Shayne Hawke

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It's probably the easiest way to farm holiday items and Asuran points. Past that, it's not that big a deal.

miskav

miskav

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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go out, kill lotsa monsters, get xp + Points + items + event items in a minute orso.

That's why.

Welthas

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I was wondering if there is a area that is very good on gold drop and can be solo'd.

MiraBlackhand

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That is also not a full run, no raptor boss (meaning hes missing like 16 raptors), no stopping for rep bonus, and not looking and respawning for another run.

1:30-2:00.

Personally I could run it a whole lot faster if I didn't have to line up the raptors perfectly so that the raptor boss went down first (or it can become a true pain to keep your life up with his special).

Also, the most efficient way to farm holiday items at the moment is the vaettir shadow bomber setup, I got runs down to right over 2 minutes including zoning for all 60 vaettirs in hard mode. Approximately a stack of ToT bags an hour and a full inventory of golds (that being just the golds I didn't ID and salvage, I tend to ID and salvage non-perfect golds over r9) not to mention a whole lot of blues / purples / white salvage items (generally leaving with at least 1 stack of all the common materials (dust, iron, wood) and nearly 2 stacks if you get a lot of crap). This making the run worth about 80-90k/hr (45k stack of bags, 5-10k materials, and roughly 20-30k in unid / r9s) provided you have a decent time there.

cellardweller

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umm thats kind of my point. W/Rt doing the run in 60 secs means that an ele will be doing it in ~45secs. Add in 7secs each way for load screens and you've got your 60 second raptor run.

Mr.Kotte

Mr.Kotte

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fay Vert View Post
Add 30 seconds to those times.

First rule of farming, people always quote overly optimistic times and rewards.
Just because you cannot do it means noone can, yeah, that seems more realistic. /sarcasm (yes, I just had to do that)
I kill everything in the cave BUT the boss, making the build optimal for non-loot-scaled items only.
O hai scarn

Quote: Originally Posted by Fay Vert
I know the timings. Mostly the problem the time it takes to get there. 60 seconds for 30 is not realistic. Its good that you know the timings, then you should have no problem creating a build which kills all the raptors within 50 seconds. Right?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fay Vert
And you don't have to be good, its raptors, anyone can do it See answer above.

Fay Vert

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte View Post
Just because you cannot do it means noone can
Then post a video of an end to end 60 second cycle which kills 30 raptors

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte View Post
Its good that you know the timings, then you should have no problem creating a build which kills all the raptors within 50 seconds. Right? This makes no sense, I am saying that 60 seconds isn't realistic, what makes you think I could do it in 50?

I farm these as a ranger (with boss) so for me its over 2 minutes, eles are certainly faster, just not as fast as you are claiming.

Am willing to eat my words though when you post that video.

beserk

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I have to agree with fay vert soley on leeching experience, many runners claim 60 secs but low and behold soon as they kill the 30th raptor i /age and its 2mins!

False advertisement FTW.

Note: I am not saying it is impossible, but i am just illustrating how fay's doubts hold some ground.

Ajantis

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oshi......

12

Scarn

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Because it will take him another 12 seconds to pick up 4 items.

Fay Vert

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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3 second zone X 2
1 second pickup X 4
2 second resign to kick in
2 second turn around and re-enter from Rata Sum
1 second getting blessing

That is 15 seconds, assuming you can zone in 3 seconds, which is a fairly good spec PC, ,any take over 10 seconds to zone. As I said, Video end to end was requested. But I also acknowledge that that screen shot shows a very good time.

Mr. Undisclosed

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Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

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Fay Kottis knows his shit, he doesn't exagerate get over it.

stretchs

stretchs

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It is quite doable to repeat ~60 second runs. I use the MistForm E/Me and consistently do ~60 second runs killing 32-34 each run depending on the stragglers. I honestly didnt think 1min runs were possible either but have consistently done them. You would be surprised if you timed yourself how little time your runs really take.

Fay Vert

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Like I said, people exagerate their claims. But yeah, I missed that one, I actually didn't read it. I have challenged running claims before. Time is generally the basis of where people exagerate, they conveniently forget all the bits you can't ignore, zoning times, pickup times, skill activation times etc. With runners, you can't even run an empty zone in those times. When challenged you always get the same reply, they are good and you are noob. Yet you will never see a full video showing the claims, just screen shots and part vids.

Not to take anything away from Kotte's screenshot, 48 seconds for that part run is faster that I would have credited, but it still doesn't equal a 60 second full run. And Mr. Undisclosed, I think Kotte is quite capable of speaking ,without guildies chipping in to weaken his argument.

joshuarodger

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fay Vert
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Like I said, people exagerate their claims. But yeah, I missed that one, I actually didn't read it. I have challenged running claims before. Time is generally the basis of where people exagerate, they conveniently forget all the bits you can't ignore, zoning times, pickup times, skill activation times etc. With runners, you can't even run an empty zone in those times. When challenged you always get the same reply, they are good and you are noob. Yet you will never see a full video showing the claims, just screen shots and part vids.

Not to take anything away from Kotte's screenshot, 48 seconds for that part run is faster that I would have credited, but it still doesn't equal a 60 second full run. And Mr. Undisclosed, I think Kotte is quite capable of speaking ,without guildies chipping in to weaken his argument. there are also macros you can use which are not against EULA that can make it even faster than that. c'mon man, get over it. he was off by 3 seconds, by your accounting, for this particular run. i'm sure he has some that are faster and some that are slower. personally i do the boss group, including boss also and consistently get 1:40 full runs, including zoning and everything. don't need shrine blessing anymore since it's maxed, though, and i'm sure kottis' is also.

@OP, raptor runs are so popular because it is a farming run with a high concentration of easily killable enemies in a tight space that can be repeated very quickly. there isn't a particular skill any of the raptors use that can severly hurt you and during special drop weekends, they can easily net you 50k per hour plus asuran rep points and gold items to ID or sell.

Fay Vert

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by joshuarodger View Post
c'mon man, get over it. he was off by 3 seconds, by your accounting, for this particular run. i'm sure he has some that are faster and some that are slower.
I have achnowleded twice already that I am impressed with Kotte's time. He is the only one I have seen so far that has come close to the claim, and I have challenged many on it, nobody has offered any proof. The reason I get a bit pissy with this is that these threads start off with someone asking for information and advise, what then invariably happens is the epeen "I'm so l33t" merchants turn up with their claims and undermines the whole concept of the information, and they're all full of BS . Maybe Kotte can get near to 1 min (I'll take his word on the 48 seconds claim, but all the screen shot shows is no worse than 59), but basically for 99% of all people out there, you do well to hit them in 1:30 on a complete cycle.

The other thing that pisses me off is this whole "I'm not showing yo my build" farce. I mean really, 3 1/2 years into a largely dead game and people are still saying that!!! FFS how sad is that? Probably has "Secret farming spots" too.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed View Post
Tbh I don't see how it weakens his argument at all. You seem to be the one with a weakend argument. Actually, sorry for that, I happened to notice your guild before I read your post so it sort of set the tone for me.

blackknight1337

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Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

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ok...i think we have all had enough of kotte's guildies joining the thread. Let it die?

and build-wise, its pathetically easy to guess what he is running...