I've used Sabway for a while now, so i decided to try out Discordway, spent 1 hour in elite zaishen so i could unblock skills and finally got them, spent another 10 mins getting AP (forgot to bring sig of capture first time) then i tried it out at the great northern wall, HM, DIDN'T WORK, the heroes spammed all they're skills EXCEPT discord and i made sure there was a hex and condition on the monsters i was calling (AP + Ymlad) but they still didn't use it, so i gave up.
Any idea why this happened?
Discordway not working... AT ALL!
Taranos
-Lotus-
1. you fail
2. you didn't bind discord to your keyboard. do that.
2. you didn't bind discord to your keyboard. do that.
wind fire and ice
problems-you have to CALL the target,and make sure ALL heroes are on GUARD.also make sure YOUR bringing conditions AND hexes since you have AP.
Should work fine...ive used it for almost every thing in the game,and with a bit of forcing heroes to use discord its worked great.
Should work fine...ive used it for almost every thing in the game,and with a bit of forcing heroes to use discord its worked great.
Taranos
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Should work fine...ive used it for almost every thing in the game,and with a bit of forcing heroes to use discord its worked great.
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It works well for me, but maybe its just the fact that i use 6 heroes. this is my 6 hero build. I see what you mean for feast for the dead, it would be better on a bomber build. |
The big question really is - what is the rest of your builds like? Did you gave the heroes anything else that could be spammed like mad? My guys got confused a few times when I gave them additional stuff - I remember one time giving a guy Stoning (since weakness is always being thrown around) and the guy pretty much used Stoning only rather then spammed Discord. these are the builds [build;OAhjUwGZYOxM1wRdYO5qqjzLGA] [build;OAhjUoGa4SxMKgHVTOSTUbVVXMA] [build;OANEUshd95EzqCohqKeoeEQMaA] I copied the ones from pvx, cos i don't know what i should or shouldn't put majikmajikmajik
i usualy replace the 2nd bar in the team with curses instead of resto and use area hexes like [Suffering] and and another area condition [Enfeebling Blood]. (sorry if i didnt do they skills right)
Turbobusa
You're using the PvX build. That's why
wind fire and ice
Your using the pvx build..thats most likely why,im too lazy to log on and check my exact build,but you can whisper me ingame in an hour or so if you want a real discord build.
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legacyofkain85
depends on what the caller has on his bar,but usualy from mi experience is that there arent enough hexes,conditions around,and ofc if they need to keep healing all the time they wont do dmg,remeber they are suport for your healers not your main healers
[Morkai]
What's already been said.
Oh and you have to call every target, that's why it's lame. herdPvEwashard? You get used to spamming C+ctrl+space after a while.
Vasabi
i try to use discord party build month ago ... it works only you use discord manual ...
heroes doesn`t spam discord in auto way ... call isn`t so good too. only bind and use it manual. But i`m lazy and back to use subway ... oeg82000
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You're using the PvX build. That's why
I use PvX build too,and it works for me great
joshuarodger
judging from those bars, you aren't using enough conditions and hexes especially for a 4 man mission. you need AoE conditions and AoE hexes to make sure the heroes recognize that both criteria for discord are met. [[weaken armor], [[enfeebling blood (pve)], [[suffering], and [[shadow of fear] are all good ones.
Masao
The PvX builds are horrible.
Drop Rotting Flesh for Ghostmirror Light or another heal. Drop all copies of Flesh of My Flesh for Death Pact Signet. Drop Putrid Bile off the second healer as well as all Resto skills and make it into a Curses Necro with Enfeebling Blood, Barbs, Mark of Pain, Weaken Armor and whatever else you decide to use. Drop Dwayna's Sorrow on the MM for Putrid Bile. Drop Blood of the Master on the MM for Feast for the Dead. Drop all copies of Shambling Horrors for Bone Minions. The PvX build causes you to wipe or near-wipe if AP is interrupted or removed even once, because you won't have any hexes to prep for Discord.
Numa Pompilius
It doesn't work if your target has hex or condition removal. I'm betting you've tried to kill something which can remove hexes - you've only got one hex and it's not a wide-area one.
You don't need to call. The heroes will use Discord if any enemy fulfills the prerequisites (has hex & condition), and provided they're not casting something else. The last bit is part of the reason I don't like bringing three MM's like this, it means they spend a lot of time not casting Discord. The PvXWiki version of Discordway always seemed horribly suboptimal to me. Heroes don't use Dwaynas Sorrow well, that's basically a wasted slot; you have hard rez on two heroes, but if you need more than the rez-sigs of the henches you're in so deep shit it's probably better to wipe and regroup; Foul Feast + Plague Sending is infinitely better than Recovery; the shambling horrors equals a wasted minion per corpse, I'd bring an AoE hex (like, say, Suffering) and an additional condition instead; where is Weapon of Warding/Vengeful Weapon... But maybe that's just me.
Daesu
On top of all that, where is the Enfeebling Blood in that build?
You are using this build right? http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam I also dont see much utility in that build. Putrid bile is there only to support Discord, I prefer the hexes in the curse line. That (No profession / Assassin) assumption is also wrong. I am certainly not going to bring that on my paragon or warrior, go go 10e pve skills. I bet the guy who came up with that build used a necro or a mesmer primary initially but was forced to put up with (No profession / Assassin) by the community for acceptance. Masao
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On top of all that, where is the Enfeebling Blood in that build?
You are using this build right? http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam I also dont see much utility in that build. Putrid bile is there only to support Discord, I prefer the hexes in the curse line. That (No profession / Assassin) assumption is also wrong. I am certainly not going to bring that on my paragon or warrior, go go 10e pve skills. I bet the guy who came up with that build used a necro or a mesmer primary initially but was forced to put up with (No profession / Assassin) by the community for acceptance. Why would you even consider using Discord with purely physical classes who have only 2 e-regen? Ever hear of Racway?
Daesu
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Why would you even consider using Discord with purely physical classes who have only 2 e-regen?
Ever hear of Racway? Because a good discordway build has many advantages over Racway since the Discord buff happened after Racway was created. But this discordway build sucks if it thinks it can be used for ALL professions: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam Masao
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Because a good discordway build has many advantages over Racway since the Discord buff happened after Racway was created.
But this discordway build sucks if it thinks it can be used for ALL professions: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam The PvX Discordway build just sucks period. There's still pretty much 0 reason to bother with Discordway on a Warrior or Paragon. Racway is far superior because what it lacks in rate of kill it makes up for with near invincibility and fairly high damage output with condition spreading. Add in the fact Warriors and Paras just can't deal with the hex/conditions spamming requirements of Discordway, and you have even less reason to bother with using Discord heroes. Sabway is also superior for a physical class than Discordway since the player can roll whatever they want; a Para can go imba, a Warrior can go W/P for SY spam, and in both cases damage output is maximized through Splinter. With Discordway you're basically forced to go /N or /Me to get a low energy requirement hex to satisfy the conditions to cast Discord, otherwise you're leaving the prepping and spiking up to your heroes, and we all know how bad hero AI is.
MercenaryKnight
Asuran scan is 1 possibility for physicals. Warriors could go a sword condition build or what not. Paragons have barbed spear.
But assassin's promise works on any character. The ability to always have 2 knock downs, ymlad and timing sin can do just as good as bringing physical damage and leaving them on their feet. If your lazy, load up assassin's promise and you move like a dwarf on physicals and you can get through most of it easily. I use it on my paragon only if I don't need save yourselves. But yes, don't trust the pvx wiki version. It sucks, you should make a curse hero bring enfeebling blood and suffering/ shadow of fear. If you get a friend, run 6 discord heroes, 2 rits, 2 minion bombers, 1-2 curse hybrids.
daze
The reason Discordway is soo popular is because of its versatility. Basically there are only 2 skills which should be stapled to every heros bar:[discord] and [signet of lost souls]
this is kinda what my heroes look like (im not at home so its not exact.) [[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][enfeebling [email protected]][[email protected]][mend body and [email protected]][protective was [email protected]][[email protected]][death pact [email protected]] [[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][rip [email protected]][ulcerous [email protected]][mend body and [email protected]][protective was [email protected]][spirit [email protected]][flesh of my [email protected]] [[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][animate bone [email protected]][death nova][dwaynas [email protected]][feast for the [email protected]][spotless [email protected]][renew [email protected]] that is what i would bring if i just used 3 heroes. but when i vanquish i use 2 computers with 2 accounts so i run 6 hero discord which is fatal. but the most important thing is targeting and the fastest way to do it is to press <CTRL><SHIFT><SPACEBAR> or you can do just <CTRL><SPACEBAR> this is what i do I cast [assassins promise] then hold <CTRL> and cast [you move like a dwarf] that covers the hex and the condition. id post my 6 hero build but we arent allowed that many skill posts anymore,
daze
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So the MM sacs his life to make sure his minion bombs do not go off? right...
[[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][death [email protected]][mend body and [email protected]][protective was [email protected]][[email protected]][spirit [email protected]][death pact [email protected]] <<Livia Death 12+1+1... Soul reaping 9+1... Restoration 10
[[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][putrid [email protected]][mend body and [email protected]][protective was [email protected]][[email protected]][spirit [email protected]][flesh of my [email protected]] Whispers Death 12+1+1... Soul reaping 9+1... Restoration 10
[jagged [email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][animate bone [email protected]][death [email protected]][feast for the [email protected]][infuse [email protected]][dark [email protected]][blood [email protected]] <<< olias Death 11+1+3... Soul reaping 9+1... Blood magic 9+1 ??? im not sure the exact specs
[[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][spotless [email protected]][spotless [email protected]][dwaynas [email protected]][signet of [email protected]][cure [email protected]][renew [email protected]] Livia #2 Death 11+1+2... Soul reap 9+1... heal 10
[[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][animate shambling [email protected]][[email protected]][protective [email protected]][reversal of [email protected]][shielding [email protected]][[email protected]] Death 11+1+2... Soul reap 9+1... Prot 10
[[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][enfeebling [email protected]][[email protected]][weaken [email protected]][mark of [email protected]][[email protected]][rip [email protected]] Whispers #2 Death 12+1+1... Soul reap 9+1...Curse 9+1...
Now i may be off by a point or two with the attributes. Im not at home right now so i cant check.
This is the build that i use to call targets is
[deadly paradox @12][enduring [email protected]][mark of [email protected]][pain inverter][assassins [email protected]][you move like a dwarf][finish him][sadists [email protected]] << Energy storage 12+1+1... Deadly arts 12
Basically i enter the map with a party of 8, then if i feel like it i may multitask 2 accounts at the same time, but most of the time i just map out with the 2nd account so the 3 heros just follow me.. I can vanquish any areas easily with a team of 7 though.
Super Igor
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If he has the ap build, the pvx discordway should work fine so this guy is either trolling or failed somewere.
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[[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][death [email protected]][mend body and [email protected]][protective was [email protected]][[email protected]][spirit [email protected]][death pact [email protected]] <<Livia Death 12+1+1... Soul reaping 9+1... Restoration 10[[email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][putrid [email protected]][mend body and [email protected]][protective was [email protected]][[email protected]][spirit [email protected]][flesh of my [email protected]] Whispers Death 12+1+1... Soul reaping 9+1... Restoration 10
[jagged [email protected]][signet of lost [email protected]][animate bone [email protected]][death [email protected]][feast for the [email protected]][infuse [email protected]][withering [email protected]][blood [email protected]] <<< olias Death 11+1+3... Soul reaping 9+1... Blood magic 9+1 ??? im not sure the exact specs
[[email protected]][signet of lost souls@10][spotless mind@10][spotless soul@10][dwaynas sorrow@10][signet of rejuvenation@10][cure hex@10][renew life@10] Livia #2 Death 11+1+2... Soul reap 9+1... heal 10
[discord@14][signet of lost souls@10][animate shambling horror@14][aegis@10][protective spirit@10][reversal of fortune@10][shielding hands@10][rebirth@10] Death 11+1+2... Soul reap 9+1... Prot 10
[discord@14][signet of lost souls@10][enfeebling blood@10][suffering@10][weaken armor@10][mark of pain@10][meekness@10][rip enchantment@10] Whispers #2 Death 12+1+1... Soul reap 9+1...Curse 9+1... This is the most horrible 6 hero discordway setup Ive seen...EVER!
Turbobusa
lol.
Did I wait 1.5 years to make a discord build? actually no, search my posts, I've been using them with success since then. It didn't take me over a year to figure out a build was good.
I've used lots of discord build, at the beginning very bad ones.I know what's good and what's not on this kind of build.
You're free to say you don't believe me (at which point you might want to use the search feature on my posts to see when I actually started posting discord builds), you're free to say
Saying what I run does not work? lol. You have no idea and while it does not work always (I like to try odd things - my definition of fun, remember, it's a game), when it does not work as much as intended, it doesn't fail, it is just less effective.
Let me say that again: the PvX build is terrible.
You have such an offensive power in your hands and you limit yourself to surviving and killing in between. It's not even a tank build, not a spike build, it's supposed to be pressure, I don't see no pressure in the PvX build.
And when the mod will actually kick you out of the forum for aggressing people in every single thread you post in?
Did I wait 1.5 years to make a discord build? actually no, search my posts, I've been using them with success since then. It didn't take me over a year to figure out a build was good.
I've used lots of discord build, at the beginning very bad ones.I know what's good and what's not on this kind of build.
You're free to say you don't believe me (at which point you might want to use the search feature on my posts to see when I actually started posting discord builds), you're free to say
Saying what I run does not work? lol. You have no idea and while it does not work always (I like to try odd things - my definition of fun, remember, it's a game), when it does not work as much as intended, it doesn't fail, it is just less effective.
Let me say that again: the PvX build is terrible.
You have such an offensive power in your hands and you limit yourself to surviving and killing in between. It's not even a tank build, not a spike build, it's supposed to be pressure, I don't see no pressure in the PvX build.
And when the mod will actually kick you out of the forum for aggressing people in every single thread you post in?
Super Igor
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Did I wait 1.5 years to make a discord build? actually no, search my posts, I've been using them with success since then. It didn't take me over a year to figure out a build was good.
Quote: I've used lots of discord build, at the beginning very bad ones.I know what's good and what's not on this kind of build. Turns out that you dont.
Quote: You're free to say you don't believe me (at which point you might want to use the search feature on my posts to see when I actually started posting discord builds), you're free to say Sure I dont beleive you, you only make two types of posts: one is flaming pvx other is trying to look any good, fail at both. Seriously, posting one dazillion builds doesnt make you good.
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Apparently you can vanquish an area with an empty skill bar so vanquishing this much doesnt make your build any good. It only shows how much of a bad player you are vanquishing two campaigns without realising that what you run is crap.
Want an example? Kk, [blood ritual] in a full necro party, what a logic, pouring mor water on a drowning person or better, [infuse condition] with no [foul feast] lol ect. ect. ect.
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I see you changed your thread around to be worded differently. I think you mean can't and not can. But regardless, wouldnt it be safe to say that since my build has NO trouble with any bosses, multiple bosses, multiple mobs, or multiple monks; that it would be more effective than yours? because when it comes down to it, isnt that the bottom line? Survival and rate of kill?|
This means that the build is bad, If it is disadvantaged against high defense or multiple monks then it fails. What is wierd is when i use my "horrible" 6 hero discord build i have NO problem against multiple monks, multiple bosses, or high defense. So far your credibility is ZERO
No, that means that you changed a quote, it has I demand fame there. And the bold bit suggests that you stop talking about cred ups. :> Doubt that any defense a mob can have will stand against pressure that setup can do. Quote:
Ok first off, blood ritual is for me. I keep it disabled, and on the occasion that i may be starting to get low on energy, i cast it on myself. Hardly makes the whole team build bad.
And yes, when i get rid of the hex/condition remover, i do add [[foul feast] to work with [[infuse condition]. But again, that hardly makes the whole build bad. Quote:
"Harder" to run than discordway possibly but if you do it right it can blow up things all at once. Its main disadvantage is that you can't spike down annying stuff as easily (healing bosses) as you can with Dw. |
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Bunch of suggestions [discord@14][signet of lost souls@10][weapon of warding@10][mend body and soul@10][protective was kaolai@10][life@10][spirit light@10][death pact signet@10] [discord@14][signet of lost souls@10][putrid bile@14][mend body and soul@10][protective was kaolai@10][recuperation@10][spirit light@10][flesh of my flesh@10] [discord@14][signet of lost souls@10][putrid bile@14][animate bone minions@14][death nova@14][feast for the dead@14][infuse condition@14][foul feast@10] [discord@14][signet of lost souls@10][animate shambling horror@14][putrid bile@14][rotting flesh@14][spotless mind@10][dwaynas sorrow@10][cure hex@10] [discord@14][signet of lost souls@10][animate shambling horror@14][aegis@10][protective spirit@10][shield of absorption@10][convert hexes@10][rebirth@10] [discord@14][signet of lost souls@10][enfeebling blood@10][weaken armor@10][suffering@10][shadow of fear@10][rip enchantment@10][death pact signet@2]/[barbs@10] Now if you say that this aint constructive I will stalkez u! |