Impossible to complete Kurz title anymore!

I have the perfect resolution for this.

Get better at GW.

Solution: Don't fail. Vanquishing most of the kurzick/luxon areas is easy. Even if you do wipe, you res at shrine until your party is dp'd out. If your party is dp'd out, you're doing something wrong.

Or maybe you should stop assuming I can't do the vanquishing easily. All I am saying is that the "they just gave us more options" is not exactly correct because no one in the game can be completely perfect all the way through the 80+ times doing vanquishing, even a few DC can shave a quite a bit of time away. Therefore the new options are slower.

Going through the entire game 80 times is also just as boring and grindy. The only difference is it being unbottable. The funnest stuff is AB/FA/JQ, but the waiting time for all 3 is ridiculous, not to mention you have to win for it to come even close to HFFF, and is still slower than the book grind.

If update is meant to promote skill play the pve gameplay bonus should at least be equal to HFFF in rate, the the pvp options should be far above HFFF.

I cant really give an objective opinion since i have never done HFFF. But i have vanquished all of tyra and elona on 2 different characters. I can imagine that i will have no trouble breezing through the vanq in Cantha. And honestly, anybody should be able to do the same. Maybe the reason i fly through vanq so fast is because i play on 2 computers at the same time so i can use 6 heroes, but i wouldnt imagine a person using one account would do it much slower.

I have been reading a few threads about the new faction gain and it seems that people are demolishing the times and faction gain for accrual of Lux/Kurz faction so i can only assume that the new method is far superior to the old.

The only thing i can see that Anet took out of faction gain is the mindlessness of HFFF. "Sigh" now everybody has to sit in front of the keyboard and click a few skills while using some navigation keys to gain faction.

If you are worried about failing or party wiping while in a vanq, then my resolution remains. Get better at GW so you dont have to worry about party wiping. At the very least, get better at retreating and pack a couple res scrolls.

i guess he said it better than i did.

First off getting both titles is way easier now. I was able to farm 200k luxon in just under three hours. Before it was good to get 10k an hour, GG to an additional 60-70k per hour. I for one love this update.

As for the above stated, if you are dp'd out during a vanquish then your doing something horribly wrong.

~Unfaithful

Only issue I've ever had was either getting disconnected, or the enemies had builds that my group's builds couldn't counter - which usually happened with the first few groups, which meant fast restarting. So no time really wasted.

Also, with the new comeback thingy (whatever you want to call it) getting disconnects are minor issues.

This only really becomes grind when you have one character. If you have multiple characters, especially if you didn't do Factions on them, then go through, get 10/13 Protector and 13/13 Guardian (with 6/25 and 3/20 of other campaigns) and get 7/33 Vanquisher on each character. With the books, mission faction, vanquishing faction, and quests, you got to get a couple ranks. Then you can do Challenge missions (at least aim for 100 points to raise your cap), do FA/JQ, and AB (again, at least to raise your faction cap), which will give you more faction.

You can get 14,250 faction per character via non-repeatable quests, 9k for NM missions, 9k for HM missions, 40k for 1 NM book, 120k for 1 HM book, 90k for the Young Heroes book, 34,360 from Vanquish (non-boss bonus bounty-wise *based on average enemy counts*), 12,500 from Vanquish (boss-bonus bounty-wise),and 85,900 from Vanquish (after-count *based on average enemy counts*). That gets you 165,010 faction and 250k straight to the title, which means if you get skills or donate faction, you get double 165,010 faction, which gives you 330,020 faction to the title, add the 250k, you get 580,020 with no AB, JA, FA, repeatable quests, or Challenge missions. That right there for just ONE character, gives you rank 4.

Lets say you have 8 characters (have all three campaigns, never bought character slots, and have all filled with PvE characters). That gives you 4,610,160 points to the title. That means rank 9, less then 400k from rank 10, and about half-way to maxing.

And of course this is not including getting the bounty while doing quests.
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Edit: Also, if you are going after just one of the two titles, and not both, you can wait for the territory line and Vanquish the other side, wasting the finishing reward, but giving about another 46,860 faction - 93,720 points to the title, giving you approxamatly 4,703,880 points to the title. With the bounty while doing quests, you can probably add 50 enemies per quest, and with 10 faction per enemy, and 17 quests, that would average out to be 8.5k faction ->17k title points, which then goes to the grand total of 4,750,880 for working on Kurzick and not Luxon, with 8 characters, only counting PvE and no Challenge Missions or repeatable quests.
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But then you have: Repeating the books. Repeating Vanquishing on the same character. Doing FA/JQ/AB. Doing Challenge Missions. And doing repeatable quests.

Note:Calculations where done for the Kurzick title, not the Luxon. Although it will be similar in point gain, it will be different as there is 1 more areas in the Luxon side, amounts of monsters will be different, and the amount of quests and their rewards will be different.

It can only be called grind for the second half of maxing the title, from rank 10 on, and of course, that is assuming you started at 0 points, 0 faction.

Whereas before, it was grind from rank 4ish on. They over halved the grind. Still room for improvement, but now only the dedicated will get r12 while everyone else can easily get up to r8 without any grind.

i think they shouldnt of mess w/ hff because some of us may only have half an hour or so and cant vanquish an area. they only nerfed it so it'd get rid of the bots that did the runs
if you want to grind books that may be for you but not for occupied people who have lives, jobs, children, etc...

HFFF was never a feature that was supported by ANet.. Just an exploit..

I myself get about an hour a day to play GW so i am limited to 1 vanquish per day. If you only have 30 minutes a day to play, then you should stick to doing missions or AB.

I have a 7 month old baby that i watch during the daytime so i can take up to 3 hours to vanquish an area some times (because i keep stepping afk to keep him entertained/fed/clean).

lol and if you really only have half an hour to play a game at a time, then you got the wrong game. Hardly anything in the game takes less than half an hour, save a few misisons and random quests.

I Am Depressed! I need HFFF back.

Can you imagine doin Factions, the WORST campaign of them all, 90 Times!! 90 Fricken Times! That's ridiculous. Anet talks about taking away grinding, and adds more of it.

Give Us Back HFFF, please...


AB = 15-20 Mins for 1.5k +500 fact when u win! in 20 mins of HFFF, I could get at least 6k fact.

Oh well...what ever, Anet Fail Moar Plox. <3

Stop with the trolls please..

You have dozens of pages to read that explain in detail how the faction gaining system was IMPROVED. Im sorry your easy button was taken away and its a shame that you might have to resort to using a bit of brainpower to achieve your goal. But i invite you to read the previous pages in this thread among other threads talking about how much faster a person can gain faction compared to HFFF.

You left off "if you enjoy hard mode"

Agreed with the grindy part. Although I'm not sure about the boring part.

There's an awful lot of hard mode shit in there. What about the people that don't like hard mode? Just SoL?

Why is it the "leet" players always give this kind of answer. As if everyone can be as "great" as they are at the game. Not everyone is the same, not everyone can match your "leetness". You, sirs, are pinheads for not understanding this.

My major complaint to this update is the nerf to hfff but let me explain why. I just recently got my daughter to playing the game with me again. We'd go and do a few hfff runs and then do something else. I knew that it would take a long time for us to get her title to any reasonable level. But, being the father that I am, I would tolerate 'click, click, click, click' for a while. After all, it got her back in the game.

Hard mode does not appeal to her. AB/FA/JQ does not appeal to her. That takes out almost all of the ways to earn faction. Repeating missions to fill books just seems like it might be even more of a grind than hfff was.

I'm just really frustrated right now. I've logged two hours since the update (used to be two hours minimum a night). My daughter has logged 15 minutes.

I'm sure most of you won't understand my point of view. Maybe when you grow up and have kids, you will. Unless you are today's typical parent and don't do anything with your kids.

The allegiance titles were never supposed to be completed by the casual player. If you're not able to vanquish an area, you're probably part of the "casual" group, which means a 10 million faction title is not for you. The kurzick/luxon skills have been modified so that a low rank is almost as effective as a high rank. Unless you were planning on maxing the title, this argument makes no sense.

As for the rest of your post, I suggest you find out more about the demographic of gamers these days. You are not different because you have kids.

If someone can't achieve something in the game, why should that someone get a title saying that they have achieved that particular something?
Previously, getting the max allegience rank usually meant "I've sat down, braindead, for hundreds of hours and clicked my mouse a lot". - (Unfortunatly it's still going to mean that, as almost everyone with the title has done it through HFFF and they still have that title after this update.)

If you don't like or can't do HM, then don't expect to get a title that either requires or promotes a lot of HM play. A-Net made it so the only way to max the allegience titles efficiently was through HM.
If you really don't want to do it in HM, then complete Factions in NM 250 odd times.

Titles are supposed to be an achievement, it's just a shame most of them are not.

If you're not skilled at the game you don't deserve to be as successful as someone who is. If your skill is a limitation, improve.

But, that isn't really at the heart of what I see as the problem here. Many people are capable of doing this! It is in our willingness to do it seventy-nine more times. Doing something once is an achivement. Doing it once or twice more to prove the first run wasn't blind luck is all well and good. But doing it eighty times is no less a stunning display that you have way too much free time than HFFF was.

So, yes, we are capable of this... if we wanted to quit our jobs, drop out of school, and make this a full time occupation. This is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Having a game that makes you repeat it eighty times isn't my idea of fun. Just another hallmark of what made the once great Guild Wars into the now lackluster Grind Wars.

Agreed, the amount of grind necessary for this particular title is stupid is stupid. Mabye I wasn't clear enough, but I was referring to titles in general except where I mentioned the allegience title.
10 million is and has always been a stupid goal and one I'm content never to reach, unless I come to enjoy AB or the CMs a lot.

TOTALLY TRUTH All 7 different profession characters of mine are DONE with missions .......... bummer. Must been a conference at ANET, "hey Jane, let's get non-players to play - and screw those that have been playing already. Great idea Jane, let's do it."

First off, I"m not talking just about me but my daughter as well. I can do hard mode and have. Second, I didn't say "max", I said "Reasonable level". Nice how you only quoted part of what I said. And don't ask what 'reasonable' is. Ive asked and it seems to change every other week. Maybe it's the 'red-headed, Irish-descended, teenage female' in her coming out.

I'm aware of the demographics. But I suspect that the folks who don't understand my PoV don't have kids they play video games with.

I'll get over the change. It's doesn't really affect me that much. It just has me frustrated at the moment. Whether my daughter gets over it or not will only impact whether we play GW together or something else. For now, it is gong to be something else.

Thanks for a reasonable response, I appreciate that. It was better than the pinhead responses from some others.

I think I'll just stop with this thread. It's not going to make things any different here in my household.

YES!

My God, just look at SS, Lightbringer, and EoTN reputation titles. The ONLY way to max those is through Hard Mode.

Why on Earth should someone who can't do Hardmode have an equally easy time maxing a title as someone who can? That's completely backwards logic that has nothing to do with your high-horse status of being a parent.

Please oh please share with us the way you achieve 200k in 3 hours. It took me my entire GW playing history since Factions came out to get to my current 592k faction. I'd love to know how to gain 200k in only 3 hours.

Anet added lots of ways to gain Faction, but also took away an easy way to gain it unfortunately. And afaik it's still as slow as HFFF. So I'd really like to know how Unfaithfull is pulling this off. Detailed explanation please.

And why did they raise Amber to 5k. I'll never get my elite kurzick armor now, wish I'd bought amber from the trader the day before the update. constantly sold out FTL!

well in 2 hours i 5 zones and got 150k luxon faction. of course that's with the double vanquish faction reward right now.

unwaking waters took 15 minutes and i got 24k faction from that alone.

amber and jade drops seem to have increased to offset the increased cost. plus it takes way shorter to get 5k faction now than it used to. the only reason why jade and amber are sold out right now is that people saw the change and bought out the jade and amber to make a profit selling to players who all of a sudden want jade and amber even though they didn't want it before. they're playing the market and it will settle out eventually.

Bad Avarre! Bad elitism! All players should be entitled to the same rewards irregardless of skill. Not giving someone something because they aren't a good player is cruel and unfun.

I propose a 10% faction tax per week on those who are in the top 10% of faction title points. These will then be redistributed to those with no faction points.

I'd like to know the reasoning behind Kurzick Priests in Luxon Areas that give blessings to earn Kurzick Faction. I vanquished Silent Surf while it was controlled by the Kurzicks thinking I could get more Kurz Faction since there were Kurzick Priests there. I vanquish the area and earn 28k Luxon Faction? On top of that I earned 10k Kurzick Faction from the Blessings, that I cant spend because I have more Luxon Faction...

Anet is promoting Hard Mode to get people better at the game, imo. Besides, as Daenara said, Kurzick/Luxon titles were never meant for the casual player, and if you can't HM, then your a casual player.

I don't consider myself "leet" or event "elite" (other do for who knows what reason but meh), and I was this | | close to saying "get better at the game," but didn't because they said it, and I didn't want to sound like an elitist prick (they don't, but repeating it multiple times will make those repeaters sound like pricks).

Then your daughter is 1) not dedicated (nothing wrong with that), 2) a casual player (again nothing wrong with that). But there is one thing that is wrong. She is trying to get a title that wasa intended for dedicated/non-casual players, which she is not a part of. Therefore, for her, it WILL be grind, NO MATTER WHAT.

Also, via 4 characters through doing all quests, and all NM missions, with the NM book once, you get 103,500 points to the title per character, that's 414,000 for four characters, or 828,000 for eight - which ends up with rank 1/3/5 (depending on how many characters your daughter has). That is no AB, no FA, no JQ, no Challenge Missions, just quests, bounty while questing (approximation), missions, and one NM book. Rank 5 is rather reasonable.

I applaud you for doing things with your kid(s?). But she, and you, should know what would be your limits as to what you should get done.

But you haven't seen my response!

Sounds like you used cons, because when I did Unwaking, it took about 40 minutes. I think (been too long).

Seems to be, Luxon Area=Luxon Faction, Kurzick Area=Kurzick Faction. Also, for the last part.... you should be able to donate either faction no matter what, just can't talk to the normal Kurzick NPCs (i.e., Murchants and Traders), but you should be able to talk to the donate NPC.

I haven't had any problem getting faction. In fact, I'm trying out HM Cantha missions on my ele. I haven't played her in quite a while, and I must say it's a blast nuking again.

I haven't ABed since the update, but I fully intend to soon. I'm not hardcore farming/grinding, nor do I spend most of my time on GW in AB - but it should be interesting, and a lot faster too.

I spoke to the Faction Rewards guy in my GH & he told me to leave before he calls the guards (I had more Luxon Faction atm). When I exchanged Luxon Faction for Jadite I got penalized my remaining Kurzick Faction for donating my Luxon Faction.

U sir Need to improve at the game i mean try changing your builds and such
not to mention u have PVE only skills and consumables ,can u not see the imbaness in them ?

ps:just vanquished 3 areas in kurzick side,took me 30-40 minutes each with guildies, everyone brought what build they wanted.Lol forgot it was fun doing stuff like this with people after all the vanquishing i done with H/H so ty Anet for a good update.

Lutgardis FFF/HFFF was NOT an exploit. Simply, it was a quest that took ~45 seconds to run with 4 AR/RA's and a DR person. With HFFF, all you did was flag heroes/hench in the four different spots. There was no exploit.

Like some others said, pick a area that you like and Vanquish it. Everyone in my alliance (#2 Luxon ally, current lead is CAT) are vanquishing Silent Surf, Mount Qinkai, and other places like that. ALL vanquishes are good during the weekend.

yeah u forgot the fact that when u flaged your heroes the mobs dont spawn in that side of the map,try going to each spot once than come back to portal and flag your heroes see if they can reach their destination.

HFFF worked the same way that unyielding aura hero running worked, i.e. heros don't spawn mobs outside of your radar, and that got nerfed too, it was just a matter of time.

By the way, to all the people complaining about the nerf, HFFF wasn't even playing guildwars; rather, it was playing a skinned to the bones version of minesweeper thousands of times and getting guildwars rewards for it. Neither placing flags nor zoning are a significant part of the guildwars play experience, and its good that you're not rewarded for just doing those over and over any more.

To the people who were complaining about only having half an hour free a day: are your tastes really so pathetic that you spend the 30 minutes you have free a day doing hfff? Get your priorities straight and do something fun, thats like earning $5 a day and then spending it on cigarettes and starving to death, bad choice no matter how you look at it.

ANET GAVE YOU PEOPLE OPTIONS FOR COMPLETING A TITLE.

Christ on a bicycle - you guys ask for variety, and Anet gives it to you. Now it's not as linear and mindless.

Yes, how did I ever doubt that Guru is full of idiotic sheep?




You have options, appreciate that.

I have gone from Rank 0 with 0 points to Rank 2 with 260,000 points on my Luxon title just this weekend playing casually. I now actually have something to do in Guild Wars as these (and Lightbringer) now seem possible with my 3-4 hours at a weekend that I get to play.

Big thumbs up to Anet for the update, your forgiven for killing Ursan

EDIT: I also feel the update breathed new life into Vanquishing. I've never seen the point in vanquishing as it's hard and very time consuming for no reward. Now you get your faction bar filled when you complete a VQ.
I vanquished 5 areas in Luxon, Cantha this weekend. I know your thinking "big deal I've done them all" but when you see that I've only ever bothered to VQ 23 areas before this update since HM was implemented it does show what an affect being able to see your progress has.

Some options. Guess I'll hop on my smiter's boon monk now..

..or maybe my experts dex ranger?
...or maybe I'll use my SP Sin with balck lotus strike chain and hope it acts as a offhand attack?
.....or how about I go do a pre-searing to post-searing trade and get banned for a while?
........Or why not beat Factions 90 times over now..?

>.> They should incur a monthly fee for all of this, too! *phew!* Glad I'm not atm..

I just love how posters assert their opinions audaciously! lmao They act like they know all and everyone should just mindlessly follow simply because they rule and the world revolves around them. They're also the president of planet earth, too! FIRE THE NUKES! *hit's the BIG RED button*

Why are people so hung up in this "beating factions 90 times" crap? If that were the only option to gaining faction, that would be a point. But, they improved the faction rewards in a vareity of ways - not just turning in story books.

I say, "Mix it up!" Fill out a book, then do some AB's for a while. Vanquish a couple of zones and then do some FA or JQ (if JQ gets some love from the players, that is). The challenge missions can be tossed into the mix somewhere, too.

Heh, "likes". If people liked it so much, why do people bot the damn thing? People just want the reward, but you are in absolute idiot lalaland if you think that anyone enjoyed that absolutely mindless, repetitive grind.

People QQ when they had to grind for their stupid title. Now A-net gives them alternatives and much better ways for faction and they still fricken QQ. Be thankful for what A-net did, they're helping you keep your sanity.

Get better at GW....I am Luxon & R12 since looooooong time & I almost never did fff...cause its BORING

That is just the way of life. You cant please everybody. And some people like to complain just for the sake of complaining. We are creatures of habit so change takes us out of our comfort zone and causes QQ.

I myself went from rank 5 lux to rank 7 today on my main account and from rank 3 to rank 6 on my secondary account. (faster than i ever expected.)

and all i did was vanquish a few areas while playing both accounts at the same time.

Welcome to riverside.

My list of QQ about this update, seeing how everyone else is complaining:
1) Did not fix glitch in Aurios Mines, still can be afk for hours for an insane score.
2) getting 100 points in Amitz Basin is harder to get than 100 points in other challege missions. Plus is much more difficult than winning an pvp activity for 1/5 the cap reward.
3) No faction bonus for doing elite missions in HM, only rewards is 3 extra jade/amber + random drop.
4) Not having books retroactive

But other than these small complaints, great update.