How about a low ranked HA weekend
Winterclaw
While the double fame weekends are nice, how about a weekend of HA where you can only get fame and chest drops if you were rank 3 or less or were the leader of the party (ie the guy who's teaching the lowbies how to HA)? Something to encourage newer people to try out HA but still allow higher ranked people to play if they want to play for fun only.
jackinthe
/waits for pvpers to qq
SmokingHotImolation
I agree that they should do something to get newer players into HA. Im not sure about your idea though.
Gift3d
...lol no.
plenty of newbs struggling for bambis will be running amok in ha this weekend
unranked people will have plenty of opportunities to battle it out with other uncoordinated rspikes, ventless spiritways and randomways until they meet a halfway decent team
plenty of newbs struggling for bambis will be running amok in ha this weekend
unranked people will have plenty of opportunities to battle it out with other uncoordinated rspikes, ventless spiritways and randomways until they meet a halfway decent team
Stupid Shizno
ill sign for this if we can have a weekend where all pvp rank8+ can talk to Forgemaster and get armor for free.
Rakim B
Unranked groups get formed all the time, and can win. Even more so on double weekend. Why should anet just give you the fame that others won?
do work
do work
Alleji
Double fame weekends are already easier fame... you're asking for even easier fame?
Also, if this happens, expect a group of r12 players sitting in HoH on their second/third accounts straight from rank 0 to 6+
Also, if this happens, expect a group of r12 players sitting in HoH on their second/third accounts straight from rank 0 to 6+
Chocobo1
Also it just sets them up badly. You learn from playing better people, if you vs lowbies all weekend you are going to think your tough shit. After the weekend you will be wondering why you got owned.
I agree about making HA friendlier but this isn't the way. I also don't think it's going to happen.
I agree about making HA friendlier but this isn't the way. I also don't think it's going to happen.
Killed u man
Imo, stop investing time in a "dead" format. Instead give the few of us old-schoolers left some fun, and revert it back to old-school holding.
For all I care, they'd remove rank all together. PvE'ers should stop caring about the emote, and realize the reason why they don't have it, is because they are either lazy, and/or bad.
For all I care, they'd remove rank all together. PvE'ers should stop caring about the emote, and realize the reason why they don't have it, is because they are either lazy, and/or bad.
AKB48
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Imo, stop investing time in a "dead" format. Instead give the few of us old-schoolers left some fun, and revert it back to old-school holding.
For all I care, they'd remove rank all together. PvE'ers should stop caring about the emote, and realize the reason why they don't have it, is because they are either lazy, and/or bad. |
But the thing is now that it doesn't matter what's going on w/ you, if you got a <R5, people will be like....gtfo. And not everyone is gonna waste anywhere from 2-4+ hours on GW everyday(almost). So HA has gone from the causal to the more eliteist, where the high ranks play and the low ranks, well, they gtfo.
HA RankWay, The Way It Is Meant To Be Played.
The Silenced Spets
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Originally Posted by AKB48
But the thing is now that it doesn't matter what's going on w/ you, if you got a <R5, people will be like....gtfo. And not everyone is gonna waste anywhere from 2-4+ hours on GW everyday(almost). So HA has gone from the causal to the more eliteist, where the high ranks play and the low ranks, well, they gtfo.
HA RankWay, The Way It Is Meant To Be Played. |
Yea, you can't really expect to go far in HA unless you already have a high rank.
AKB48
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Originally Posted by The Silenced Spets
Yea, you can't really expect to go far in HA unless you already have a high rank.
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Lyynyyrd
Terrible idea as usual, Winterclaw.
Winterclaw
Arne, calling it a terrible idea and not saying why or offer an alternative isn't much help. You could say something like, maybe it'd be better if we had a double faction for low ranked people weekend.
I agree to a degree, if you are just starting out in HA the time it takes to find a good team would be tacked on to that. However, I don't see too much you can do about that short of either removing a few maps for a weekend, imposing a 5 minute time limit on all of them, and shortening the legnth of HoH maps.
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And these who hold halls for consecutive times really doesn't have a life imo.(you need to be on at least 2 hours playing, not waiting time, not anything else, but 2 hours at least of pure HA time)
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Div
I love how idiots always turn these threads into OMG THOS HA ELEETISTS I CANT GET GUD GROUP BECUZ IM LOW RENK.
Seriously, if you guys didn't cry all day and want everything spoon-fed to you, you'd be able to get it. I was unranked when everyone and their moms were looking for r9+ groups, and still managed to get rank. Why? Because I don't bitch and whine about being rejected from the higher ranked groups. I find my way around it.
Seriously, if you guys didn't cry all day and want everything spoon-fed to you, you'd be able to get it. I was unranked when everyone and their moms were looking for r9+ groups, and still managed to get rank. Why? Because I don't bitch and whine about being rejected from the higher ranked groups. I find my way around it.
MStarfire
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
I love how idiots always turn these threads into OMG THOS HA ELEETISTS I CANT GET GUD GROUP BECUZ IM LOW RENK.
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Stupid Shizno
thats cause your brave lemming
guru is not full of brave strong people
asfar as rank goes......whens the last time anyone in pvp cared about rank? the game is so dead everyone knows everyone. if pvp dosnt know you, you suck or ebayed.
guru is not full of brave strong people
asfar as rank goes......whens the last time anyone in pvp cared about rank? the game is so dead everyone knows everyone. if pvp dosnt know you, you suck or ebayed.
AKB48
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
I love how idiots always turn these threads into OMG THOS HA ELEETISTS I CANT GET GUD GROUP BECUZ IM LOW RENK.
Seriously, if you guys didn't cry all day and want everything spoon-fed to you, you'd be able to get it. I was unranked when everyone and their moms were looking for r9+ groups, and still managed to get rank. Why? Because I don't bitch and whine about being rejected from the higher ranked groups. I find my way around it. |
Sooooo......Good Job in not being a bitch......?????
Sure thing holy, I'm sure everyone can find their way around things in HA, somehow everything will work out.
But I think HA became pointless after the advent of Z-chest, I was in mainly just the for chest, the title was IDK.
Winterclaw
Masamune, if you wanted to encourage people into high end PvP (HA and GvG) how would you do so besides double weekends?
GW was supposed to revolve around PvP but that idea got thrown out of the window by NF.
GW was supposed to revolve around PvP but that idea got thrown out of the window by NF.
Scary
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Originally Posted by AKB48
All I'm saying is that the RankWay pretty much became a HA filter, high ranked people play, while the low rank simply leave, not necessary because they suck, but merely because they didn't get the rank needed to be considered "good". And these who hold halls for consecutive times really doesn't have a life imo.(you need to be on at least 2 hours playing, not waiting time, not anything else, but 2 hours at least of pure HA time)
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Rest my case.I like HA, but with a fammily to take care of and a busy job, I just dont have
the time to get dedicated with playing HA, a shame couse it is a nice thing.
Maybe there can be a possabillity to make a server for low ranked people, with the same reward system, and when ever they reach rank 6, they
automaticly are redirected to the servers from rank 6 to max.
Wish Swiftdeath
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Originally Posted by AKB48
But the thing is now that it doesn't matter what's going on w/ you, if you got a <R5, people will be like....gtfo. And not everyone is gonna waste anywhere from 2-4+ hours on GW everyday(almost). So HA has gone from the causal to the more eliteist, where the high ranks play and the low ranks, well, they gtfo.
HA RankWay, The Way It Is Meant To Be Played. |
Just don't be a whiner or a jackass and you'll be fine
Da Rk Bl Ad E
stop being bad.
If you want a rank that bad join some unranked rspikes or hway teams, It isn't that hard to get fame
If you want a rank that bad join some unranked rspikes or hway teams, It isn't that hard to get fame
turbo234
ok new idea. people rank 15 and under get double fame/drops. its foolproof
bhavv
Not signed.
The first 180 fame points are far far easier to get then the remaining points needed for R9+.
If you need to exclude anyone over R3 from double fame just to get your bambi, you are worse then the elitists.
A better suggestion - add a new version of HA that can be H/H'd with an uncapped number of AI, limit fame gain as follows:
First two wins - 1 fame each
Next three wins - 2 fame each
Over 5 wins - 3 fame each.
Or award a single fame point per win in Hero Battles, and a single fame point for every 5 wins in arenas.
The first 180 fame points are far far easier to get then the remaining points needed for R9+.
If you need to exclude anyone over R3 from double fame just to get your bambi, you are worse then the elitists.
A better suggestion - add a new version of HA that can be H/H'd with an uncapped number of AI, limit fame gain as follows:
First two wins - 1 fame each
Next three wins - 2 fame each
Over 5 wins - 3 fame each.
Or award a single fame point per win in Hero Battles, and a single fame point for every 5 wins in arenas.
Mayda
the idea of "you need rank in order to be allowed to get a rank" seems a bit silly to me. if a player wants to get somewhere in PvP, he has to grind at least g3 in RA in order to get into ANY organised team.
i can completely understand the position of high-ranked pro players, who rly dont feel like wasting their time with PvErs in desperate need of spamming bambis, who arent able to follow the tagret calling
on the other hand, there should be a way to get to serious PvP in a different way than after thousands of hours trying to get paired to a team with more than zero monks and less than three assas in RA
i can completely understand the position of high-ranked pro players, who rly dont feel like wasting their time with PvErs in desperate need of spamming bambis, who arent able to follow the tagret calling
on the other hand, there should be a way to get to serious PvP in a different way than after thousands of hours trying to get paired to a team with more than zero monks and less than three assas in RA
Faer
How about unranked players learn to play and PUG around a bit instead of trying to get ArenaNet to cater to their inability to do what everybody who has rank probably already did? I went from R0 to LOLTIGERCOPTER by joining random groups of scrubs and playing shitty builds to make connections that later got me into better groups running better builds which subsequently earned me more Fame which led to me being able to flash shiny emotes at people in PvE outposts. Anybody can do it. You just have to actually put the effort in. PvP isn't PvE, you don't get shit handed to you on a silver platter and pat on the back for running around like a chicken with your head cut off mashing random buttons.
TL;DR less QQ moar PEW PEW.
TL;DR less QQ moar PEW PEW.
Tushi
2nd account...
Avarre
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And these who hold halls for consecutive times really doesn't have a life imo.
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the_jos
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All I'm saying is that the RankWay pretty much became a HA filter, high ranked people play, while the low rank simply leave, not necessary because they suck, but merely because they didn't get the rank needed to be considered "good". And these who hold halls for consecutive times really doesn't have a life imo.(you need to be on at least 2 hours playing, not waiting time, not anything else, but 2 hours at least of pure HA time)
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I don't know you, but considering you have Rx you must know something about this. But... I'd rather play with people I know to be honest
Why this friend/rank filter? Because I want to get things done.
And about having no life when you can play about 2 hours continuous....
I've played long enough to be able to form a decent team for the things I want to do (not HA, don't PvP that often). That's because I know people and formed a nice group of players, some in guild, some friends in other guilds. Get them together and we get things done.
Same for HA, if you can get an experienced team together there is a fair chance you will be able to hold.
Message here: if you want to succeed in high end GW (if that still exists...) make sure others know you.
So all I have to do is find a spot where I have at least two hours and the others also have. If you can't make room in your weekly schedule for 2-4 hours continuous play, I'd say life is living you instead of you living life!
Stupid Shizno
@jos
nice to see you again, but thats how it was maybe back in 06. the game is so dead right now that the highend pvp (ha/gvg) knows, well, everyone. just by looking at the name, youll know his rank, current guild, and last 2 guilds he was in.
if you dont know this random rank9+, good chance its ebay. no one just magically gets rank anymore without someone knowing who it is, at the least, seeing the name around in the HA post.
I dont do anything but Friends List HA, ill get a couple dozen whispers asking to monk for so and so for HA. For people who are unranked, and only want a rank to emote. go hway, rspike, rtspike, castigationway.
for people who want to have some good laughs and play pvp, then make friends. I know what avvare is saying when he said holding halls, every night my team will see [mad] and a few others, and we find more enjoyment ganking a team we know, because in 16 mins time, they will be right back in halls ready to gank us.
nice to see you again, but thats how it was maybe back in 06. the game is so dead right now that the highend pvp (ha/gvg) knows, well, everyone. just by looking at the name, youll know his rank, current guild, and last 2 guilds he was in.
if you dont know this random rank9+, good chance its ebay. no one just magically gets rank anymore without someone knowing who it is, at the least, seeing the name around in the HA post.
I dont do anything but Friends List HA, ill get a couple dozen whispers asking to monk for so and so for HA. For people who are unranked, and only want a rank to emote. go hway, rspike, rtspike, castigationway.
for people who want to have some good laughs and play pvp, then make friends. I know what avvare is saying when he said holding halls, every night my team will see [mad] and a few others, and we find more enjoyment ganking a team we know, because in 16 mins time, they will be right back in halls ready to gank us.
Shadowhaze
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Originally Posted by jackinthe
/waits for pvpers to qq
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Don't see the harm in it for a change to get more people in somehow.
Killed u man
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Originally Posted by Faer
How about unranked players learn to play and PUG around a bit instead of trying to get ArenaNet to cater to their inability to do what everybody who has rank probably already did? I went from R0 to LOLTIGERCOPTER by joining random groups of scrubs and playing shitty builds to make connections that later got me into better groups running better builds which subsequently earned me more Fame which led to me being able to flash shiny emotes at people in PvE outposts. Anybody can do it. You just have to actually put the effort in. PvP isn't PvE, you don't get shit handed to you on a silver platter and pat on the back for running around like a chicken with your head cut off mashing random buttons.
TL;DR less QQ moar PEW PEW. |
Now close, this post wins thread...
Orange Milk
Been a few months since one of these QQ's popped up.
Little fact for the low ranked folks, those high ranked people, they got high ranked without and special "low Ranked HA Weekend" or a "whole seprate HA for Low ranked" and they all started out at ZERO fame, just like you and me.
Know what that means?
It means you should go and TRY and not beg ANet to hand you things, l ike they do in PvE land. You have no one to blame but yourselves for not having a high rank. Just give some effort once in a while, you'd be surprised what can happen.
P.S. I'm rank 6 and I'm rank 6 because I tried to get fame and did, then got bored and stopped in HA, I'm not rank 10 because I don't try, I've no one to blame but myself for that but you don't see me running around begging ANet to make it easier for me to get to r10.
Little fact for the low ranked folks, those high ranked people, they got high ranked without and special "low Ranked HA Weekend" or a "whole seprate HA for Low ranked" and they all started out at ZERO fame, just like you and me.
Know what that means?
It means you should go and TRY and not beg ANet to hand you things, l ike they do in PvE land. You have no one to blame but yourselves for not having a high rank. Just give some effort once in a while, you'd be surprised what can happen.
P.S. I'm rank 6 and I'm rank 6 because I tried to get fame and did, then got bored and stopped in HA, I'm not rank 10 because I don't try, I've no one to blame but myself for that but you don't see me running around begging ANet to make it easier for me to get to r10.
Floski
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Originally Posted by Stupid Shizno
thats cause your brave lemming
guru is not full of brave strong people asfar as rank goes......whens the last time anyone in pvp cared about rank? the game is so dead everyone knows everyone. if pvp dosnt know you, you suck or ebayed. |
Winterclaw
Listen, the point of this thread wasn't just about extra fame for lower ranks, it isn't about "giving handouts". The point was to spark discussion on ways that would encourage people to PvP more outside of things like RA and AB.
Faer
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The point was to spark discussion on ways that would encourage people to PvP more outside of things like RA and AB.
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Which is, in the fancy land of GW rainbows and sunshine, a handout. PvE players who want PvP rewards should learn to PvP instead of asking for it to be made easier for them to get the rewards that people who know what they are doing put a lot of time and effort into obtaining. I did it, Racthoh did it (except he went back to PvE after getting his gay Wolf whereas I was a manly man and stuck to the TRUE WARRIOR'S PATH), who knows how many others did it, and you guys can do it to. Just, you know...
Less QQ, moar PEW PEW. Go roll a Necro and join an unranked gimmick PUG or something, farm Underworld for a few hours if that's the best you can do. It's not hard.
the_jos
Hey Shizno, been a while.
I know that the group of high end PvP players is small.
LotU had a small PvP episode back in 07 and got help from a former member (Ryan) a couple of times. At that time I had done about everything in PvP and was thinking of moving more to PvP. Our GL decided to abandon the PvP track and focus the guild on HM, which was about to be introduced. But I know from the few encounters with Ryan and some others that already at that time the high end was small. Enter HA, only to hear on TS or Vent: "that's that guild, they run X, expect to be whiped in a couple of seconds" was .... well ... enlightning.
My main problem with specially HA was that I didn't want a stupid emote, I wanted to learn how to become a better player.
And a lot of the people I teamed up with were just the kind of "I have Bambi, I'm king of the world" types. Well, nice for you but I know I'm not king of the world, don't care about gimmic-way and don't need an emote to show I'm better than anyone. I just want to learn to play better and gimmics or feeling better than others don't help.
That's also the problem with surgestions like 'low ranked HA weekend'.
Low end players consider losing from high ranked 'non-fun'. Why? They want loot and fame, not to learn how to play better. I think the best way to learn things is to understand why you fail and improve that. So learning means failing a lot.
And not just blaming others, it's a team effort.
But then, I'm afraid that it's too late for me to get into PvP in GW1. I might be able to learn the basics but it will take a lot of time to get rid of my PvE habbits and to learn how to read the field. I'm also not able to join a focussed PvP guild, so teaming would also be somewhat difficult. But who knows, perhaps you can /rank on me someday while I'm trying to figure out what went wrong
Edit: agree with Faer, who's posting I read after I posted mine
I know that the group of high end PvP players is small.
LotU had a small PvP episode back in 07 and got help from a former member (Ryan) a couple of times. At that time I had done about everything in PvP and was thinking of moving more to PvP. Our GL decided to abandon the PvP track and focus the guild on HM, which was about to be introduced. But I know from the few encounters with Ryan and some others that already at that time the high end was small. Enter HA, only to hear on TS or Vent: "that's that guild, they run X, expect to be whiped in a couple of seconds" was .... well ... enlightning.
My main problem with specially HA was that I didn't want a stupid emote, I wanted to learn how to become a better player.
And a lot of the people I teamed up with were just the kind of "I have Bambi, I'm king of the world" types. Well, nice for you but I know I'm not king of the world, don't care about gimmic-way and don't need an emote to show I'm better than anyone. I just want to learn to play better and gimmics or feeling better than others don't help.
That's also the problem with surgestions like 'low ranked HA weekend'.
Low end players consider losing from high ranked 'non-fun'. Why? They want loot and fame, not to learn how to play better. I think the best way to learn things is to understand why you fail and improve that. So learning means failing a lot.
And not just blaming others, it's a team effort.
But then, I'm afraid that it's too late for me to get into PvP in GW1. I might be able to learn the basics but it will take a lot of time to get rid of my PvE habbits and to learn how to read the field. I'm also not able to join a focussed PvP guild, so teaming would also be somewhat difficult. But who knows, perhaps you can /rank on me someday while I'm trying to figure out what went wrong
Edit: agree with Faer, who's posting I read after I posted mine
Abedeus
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Or just doesn't want to lower himself to the level of a pug FotM for dummies with IQ 75.
Imo a weekend when Hero titles can't be shown and /ranks don't work either. This was people would maybe stop looking at few digits under someone's name and notice that a lot or r0-r3 players (well, I'm r3, but still...) just don't find it fun to grind HA non-stop for 5 hours to get few faction points.
For me, HA IS FUN, but only if I don't have to think "omg I still have few hundreds of points to grind in order to play with someone equally skilled or at least almost as good).
Faer
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Nope.
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QQ, or PEW PEW. Your choice.
fowlero
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Originally Posted by Mayda
the idea of "you need rank in order to be allowed to get a rank" seems a bit silly to me. if a player wants to get somewhere in PvP, he has to grind at least g3 in RA in order to get into ANY organised team.
i can completely understand the position of high-ranked pro players, who rly dont feel like wasting their time with PvErs in desperate need of spamming bambis, who arent able to follow the tagret calling on the other hand, there should be a way to get to serious PvP in a different way than after thousands of hours trying to get paired to a team with more than zero monks and less than three assas in RA |
Agreed the rank setup/discrimination in PUG's is stupid, but it's really not the that hard to get your craved bambi and beyond. Get to know some people who HA or just play with friends.
If you can't do it you're doing it wrong, or may just have to face up to the fact that your bad.