As I've said, GW2 doesn't exist. It's a figment of everyone's imagination.
Really, I can understand not releasing a beta because of delays. When they say screenshots, concept art, all that jazz is supposed to be released in one year and it's not, that is a VERY BAD SIGN. Promising betas is one thing, promising something as small as screenshots or even concept art and not delivering usually means something seriously wrong happened somewhere in development. They should NOT have made those kind of predictions. (and before the suck-ups say it, I understand they weren't "promises," but when you're working for a company like that you do NOT even make predictions on that level when it's not a guaranteed thing)
As the New Year approaches...
Nomme Moon
Operative 14
Especially when you consider that most of the people here would probably be content with just a bunch load of concept art, which (I hope) they should be hip deep in by now? I think everyone would love to see screenshots, but a few good concept sketches of weapons, armors, and locales would probably satisfy everyone for a good while. If nothing else just to know that progress, and for that matter just the game itself, is being made.
Skyy High
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I keep seeing threads about other games - Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan, Hellgate London, etc. that complain how they were rushed to market and under-delivered on what was promised.
Yet here, once again, is another GW2 thread complaining that ArenaNet is not rushing to market and overpromising on what will be delivered. Do you guys want another junk game or something that will be worth what you spend on it? ANet can see what is going on in the world of on-line games. They do not want to set traps for themselves. |
@Operative 14: yes, that was exactly what I was thinking of, thank you.
HawkofStorms
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I think the problem is they announced it waaaaaay too early. You oughtn't announce a game when you're barely concepting it - that's like announcing a pregnancy to your whole family the minute you find out; it's just too early to be sure anything will come of it. However, if they hadn't said anything about it then, people would have been even more unhappy because ANet would have had no excuse for how EotN failed to deliver. So they're screwed either way. I'd been planning on doing the beta and seeing how good it is... but the beta looks like it shan't materialize any time soon. Heck, if I don't see at least another concept art (c'mon, guys, one little picture for the Sylvari? I want to know more about them!), I'm probably joining the vaporware crowd. Seriously, ANet - The Old Republic already has a few early screenies and it's only just been announced! I decided early on never to play 2 MMOs at once, but it looks like in a few years I'll get to play ST:tOR if things keep going the way they are now.
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But yes, I agree that A.net made the annoucement too early. Of course, the only reason they had to do that was because they had to give us some excuse about why they were no longer following the "1 chapter every 6 month thing." Imagine how whinny the GW community would be if GW 2 WASN'T annoucned right now. We'd have no idea what the heck was going on and the doom and gloom threads would be even more rampent.
SerenitySilverstar
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Gaile specifically mentioned a new website (which probably is just the redesigned guildwars.com) and tons of info about GW2 in the coming year, back in 2007. Someone with better forum digging skills than I can find the source, but I'm 100% sure she told us there would be a lot of exciting stuff happening this year. Another example of her over-promising; whether it was her fault or not I can't say.
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Oy, you guys give me a headache.
You all realize that multiple whine threads isn't going to make the Dev team work faster, right? They work to the pace called "doing once, do it right".
Abedeus
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Blizzard or Valve games, which are always almost perfect.
Duke Nukem Forever.
Lycan Nibbler
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Yes but if they don't market their game they wont sell it...
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Koudelka
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There is nothing to market for GW2 is in the works when it is ready to be release you will see plenty of marketing for it
I have high hopes for Anet they did an amazing job with Guildwars and the time they are spending on GW2. They are making an amazing game so many companies out there today try to push things out as fast as they can for money, where as I feel Anet prides it sell in a good product as well as customer satisfaction. Sony pushed the PS3 out to soon it came with bugs when you bought it. Microsoft pushes out new OP's and lets consumers find the bugs. Lionhead pushed out Fable I to soon and had to release Fable: The Lost Chapters to make up for the content that was lacking, and it was years before they brought out Fable II and they did an incredible job with it. To me this is not right if your going to make a product make it to its full extent and do it right the first time, Which is the action that anet is taking they want to release a good product and I'm sure that they will do so. So quit the QQ and moaning about GW2 info when we get it we will get it all the QQ threads are not going to make anet release the game any faster then what they are planning. ~Zidane~ |
Also, it might be wise to note that what Gaile Gray (or indeed anyone) says is not gospel truth. Any game, while in production, is guarenteed to be pushed back due to unforseen difficulties. I'm excited about GW2 aswell, but be patient. Give them time to make the game... when they're ready they'll give us information, which will be much more accurate than a hashed-effort a year early.
Lycan Nibbler
OT: Tabula Rosa (or whatever its called) was on sale at Frys Electronics for $1.99 yesterday - what a bargain for 2 months of gameplay! 
I just hope they dont put all the TR staff (if theres any left) onto working on GW2....
I just hope they dont put all the TR staff (if theres any left) onto working on GW2....
Skyy High
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Holy carp, Gaile hasn't been the CRM for over 9 months, and you're still laying the blame for everything that Anet supposedly hasn't done at her feet.
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I'm not demanding that they be clairvoyant whenever they talk about the future, but the difference between their statements in December 2007 (GW2 contests throughout 2008, beta sometime in late 2008) and the actual state of affairs in November 2008 (not even a single screen shot, concept art, or piece of information we didn't already know has been released in the past year) is absurd, and cannot be simply chalked up to, "Well, delays happen."
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germanturkey
i just want to know about the books. the lore in this game is rather interesting and deep.
Anon-e-mouse
Did you mean concept art like this?
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Did you mean concept art like this?
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Shadowmoon
Utopia concept art =/= gw2 concept art, try again next thread
Pretty much all we have for gw2 news for this year is...
HoM is going to be acccount based eventually, but no timeline when it will happen. And this is a change to a gw1 feature.
I will speculate that gwen and every new feature afterward being added into the game, storybooks and summoning stones, is anet testing waters for gw2 concepts. But without any conformation or written word, gw2 is vaporware.
Pretty much all we have for gw2 news for this year is...
HoM is going to be acccount based eventually, but no timeline when it will happen. And this is a change to a gw1 feature.
I will speculate that gwen and every new feature afterward being added into the game, storybooks and summoning stones, is anet testing waters for gw2 concepts. But without any conformation or written word, gw2 is vaporware.
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But without any conformation or written word, gw2 is vaporware.
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SerenitySilverstar
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We aren't asking for them to work faster. Christ, we're not asking for anything that they don't (or shouldn't) already have done: concept art, some kind of feature list, anything like that. Those are basic planning steps that should already be available for release; they wouldn't have to work any faster to get them to us, just hand them over to Regina for distribution.
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I actually applaud them for not pandering to brattish forum communities. It's a waste of energy.
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I actually think they have their priorities in a better place - they're actually more focused in marketing where they should be and reaching the masses, than satisfying a few dozen fanbois who will only lay a lot of "not enough" or "fail" on the snippets they're given. ...
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I actually applaud them for not pandering to brattish forum communities. It's a waste of energy.
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Legendm
Okay, some of you clearly don't know anything about game development.
To the person who said it will probably be out by the Q1 of next year, it won't or else we would have gotten something by now.
To the person who said I hope they don't give us anything until 3 months before the game is released, wow, you're retarded.
Look I'm not exactly in a big rush for Guild Wars 2 its just that if they are as far as they say they are, certain things would/should been released by now. I'm not asking for a trailer or even a screenshot hell, even plot details can remain hush hush. Concept art is done somewhat early in game development. Its not that I'm rushing for them to come out with these things, its just that some of these things should already be done by most standards (not ours).
Either way I could wait a little longer.
To the person who said it will probably be out by the Q1 of next year, it won't or else we would have gotten something by now.
To the person who said I hope they don't give us anything until 3 months before the game is released, wow, you're retarded.
Look I'm not exactly in a big rush for Guild Wars 2 its just that if they are as far as they say they are, certain things would/should been released by now. I'm not asking for a trailer or even a screenshot hell, even plot details can remain hush hush. Concept art is done somewhat early in game development. Its not that I'm rushing for them to come out with these things, its just that some of these things should already be done by most standards (not ours).
Either way I could wait a little longer.
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Where? And I think more than a just a few dozen fanbois would be interested if they started releasing concept art and screenshots.
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Put it this way: I heard the newest Harry Potter movie comes out July 2009. I heard this news 2 years ago. Unless I'm a severly socially incapable, I'm not going to be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the release of this movie.
I'm a GW fan. But I'm not sitting at my computer 20 hours a day, trawling the internet for tidbits of news and bitching out the company for not delivering.
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Nothing is going to mean anything till only a few months before the release to a vast majority of human beings. They'll do the marketing the right way, through professional channels: radio, TV, print (real world and online), gaming shows, their website, interviews, using proper marketing concepts. "Sucking up to leet gamebois with no reach" is not a viable marketing concept to me.
Put it this way: I heard the newest Harry Potter movie comes out July 2009. I heard this news 2 years ago. Unless I'm a severly socially incapable, I'm not going to be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the release of this movie. I'm a GW fan. But I'm not sitting at my computer 20 hours a day, trawling the internet for tidbits of news and bitching out the company for not delivering. |
No one is asking for the game to come out now, they I mean just want something about, info, concept art, just something. Granted, I don't mind waiting, its just that if they are as far as we think/hope there are a couple of things that should have come out already, concept art at the very least (which is all I'm asking for).
FoxBat
Game companies are getting smarter, and aren't going to turn on the hype machine until one year before release. That keeps the momentum going better, so the press isn't bored of covering your game when it finally comes out. You figure out what an estimated release date would be from that.
shoyon456
Just to remind people, I can understand stuff not being out on gw2. I was just speculating that there had been a clear statement by gaile about gw2 in 2008. None of what was said by her has really come to fruition (with the exception of pushing back the beta, anet gave a press release on that).
Then again, considering that it IS anet, they may something on Dec 31, 2008 on gw2. Wouldn't that be an ass kicker?
Then again, considering that it IS anet, they may something on Dec 31, 2008 on gw2. Wouldn't that be an ass kicker?
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I actually think they have their priorities in a better place - they're actually more focused in marketing where they should be and reaching the masses, than satisfying a few dozen fanbois who will only lay a lot of "not enough" or "fail" on the snippets they're given.
I actually applaud them for not pandering to brattish forum communities. It's a waste of energy. |
And if you really think that there wasn't an enormous outcry by devoted HP fans when the movie got pushed back 6 months...well, you're wrong. I know this because I got an earful from my girlfriend when it happened. Furthermore, it's not like HP fans don't know what's going to happen in the next movie, they've already read the books absurd numbers of times each. There's no real suspense there to hold people on, whereas we know jack squat about this game that is supposed to represent ANet fixing all that is wrong with the game we're currently playing. The incongruity of the HP movie example with the GW2 situation is astounding.
There, 5 minutes, post done. Reeeeal big energy drain there. >_>
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Nothing is going to mean anything till only a few months before the release to a vast majority of human beings. They'll do the marketing the right way, through professional channels: radio, TV, print (real world and online), gaming shows, their website, interviews, using proper marketing concepts. "Sucking up to leet gamebois with no reach" is not a viable marketing concept to me.
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It's in their best interest to maintain and develop a devoted following of fans as easily and cheaply as possible. Releasing a handful of concept art is not catering to a bunch of fanbois drooling at the mouth for information to pick over and critique, it's an incredibly cheap and easy way to invigorate an eager fanbase that would probably tell a lot of their friends about this neat new game coming out now that they have something to show them. I know I personally am waiting for some concept art to show to the other gaming communities I hang out at.
No one is asking for 100 screenshots and/or a five minute ingame trailer and/or a full beta next Thursday. The only thing I've seen people ever really ask for is concept art that, as I said previously, they should be hip deep in by now anyway. All it would take is a small gallery of probably 15 art pieces and a simple paragraph on their website. And besides that, I think this topic is more in response to what Gaile, as an official community manager, said would happen this year that hasn't (Not that I'm expecting her to have been psychic and know exactly when they were going to release anything).
Hyper.nl
It has been surprisingly silent about Guild Wars 2. I think it is overdue to give us an update about the state of the game and for example show us a movie of the already finished parts.
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Does anyone recall Anet's LAST YEAR's resolution to update us and provide us with more info on GW2 in '08?
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Fril Estelin
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Releasing a handful of concept art is ...<snip>... an incredibly cheap and easy way to invigorate an eager fanbase that would probably tell a lot of their friends about this neat new game coming out now
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Shadowmoon
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Game companies are getting smarter, and aren't going to turn on the hype machine until one year before release. That keeps the momentum going better, so the press isn't bored of covering your game when it finally comes out. You figure out what an estimated release date would be from that.
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And gwen, which focus was on the HoM, the biggest ingame advertizement for gw2, seconded by the ending cinema. Sorry people want more information, story points, screenshots, ect. Hell after see the Mox quests, I was thinking new quests every monthly may have been possible. Possible actually give more story to GWEN (and it freaking needs it).
HawkofStorms
The simple fact of the matter is, we are immpatient.
People were whinning on these boards non-stop about the title update before it happened. Everybody was demanding a.net spill all the beans and calling them failures for not informing the "community." This was occuring literally 2 weeks before the update.
If the "community" can't wait 2 weeks to find out all the details about an update, is anybody really surprised that so many people can't wait a few years for all the details about a brand new game?
People were whinning on these boards non-stop about the title update before it happened. Everybody was demanding a.net spill all the beans and calling them failures for not informing the "community." This was occuring literally 2 weeks before the update.
If the "community" can't wait 2 weeks to find out all the details about an update, is anybody really surprised that so many people can't wait a few years for all the details about a brand new game?
IlikeGW
People are impatient but that doesn't make the media black-out normal. I think GW2 devs are trying to build hype, but you're supposed to do that only if your other titles are revered already, which the GW series is not. If it was everyone would be saying OMG OMG OMG GW2 is going to rule and not need much update. They're not because GW1 is a very mixed-bag and it's not appropriate to act like the sequel will be the second coming of Jesus and the community should just sod off and wait.
Well they can, but I think it's not the best marketing plan in their situation.
Well they can, but I think it's not the best marketing plan in their situation.
Winterclaw
I think GW2 has either been cancelled or so heavily changed it might have well been scrapped and restarted from the beginning.
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May be they have a different strategy of communication (see how the CR/M changed and the whole communication with the community through fansites)? Think big bang to attract more people out of the WoW magnet (and maybe other MMOs like SG:Worlds, ST:Online, DC universe, Spellborn, etc.) instead of lots of small explosions.
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While I understand they may not be able to give much info out on GW2, I would like atleast some communication from Regina. It seems like they've been exceptionally quiet on all accounts. Gaile used to post here a lot, and even Regina did in the beginning. I understand they're working diligently, but I imagine anyone could spare 10 minutes in their day.
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While I understand they may not be able to give much info out on GW2, I would like atleast some communication from Regina. It seems like they've been exceptionally quiet on all accounts. Gaile used to post here a lot, and even Regina did in the beginning. I understand they're working diligently, but I imagine anyone could spare 10 minutes in their day.
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It's not that they're working diligently, it's because they are got nothing to show-off in their work. They're afraid once they announce the info. ppl will be like....."wow this sucks, i aint buying it". Anet ran out of gas little after Factions. Lots people are going back/to WoW since you can do so much more there. (and the fact that the game has already failed to become a good one)
People are silent because there are things they wish not to be discovered, in this case, the horrible condition GW2 is in.
beserk
I think they'll release concept art maybe at the end of this month...what? I can dream can't i?!
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It's not that they're working diligently, it's because they are got nothing to show-off in their work. They're afraid once they announce the info. ppl will be like....."wow this sucks, i aint buying it". Anet ran out of gas little after Factions. Lots people are going back/to WoW since you can do so much more there. (and the fact that the game has already failed to become a good one)
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Part of me wants to call you a pessimist, but Anet is getting to the point where the silence is deafening. I also have to agree with you in that something went wrong after Factions.
All I know is Anet certainly isn't doing much to work on GW1.
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The simple fact of the matter is, we are immpatient.
People were whinning on these boards non-stop about the title update before it happened. Everybody was demanding a.net spill all the beans and calling them failures for not informing the "community." This was occuring literally 2 weeks before the update. If the "community" can't wait 2 weeks to find out all the details about an update, is anybody really surprised that so many people can't wait a few years for all the details about a brand new game? |
But are bored out of our minds PLAYING it.
If you have a game that was meant to be refreshed every few months by a new chapter - surely one can not expect to keep the people interested with probably the weakest addition to the game for more then that time.
Unless their plan is for the players to completely forget about GW and once GW2 is released they hope to charm everyone again by starting at zero. But that seems a waste of the money that the people currently liking the game are willing to throw at them.
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The problem also is that we like GW.
But are bored out of our minds PLAYING it. If you have a game that was meant to be refreshed every few months by a new chapter - surely one can not expect to keep the people interested with probably the weakest addition to the game for more then that time. Unless their plan is for the players to completely forget about GW and once GW2 is released they hope to charm everyone again by starting at zero. But that seems a waste of the money that the people currently liking the game are willing to throw at them. |
Though Anet has perfectly explained why that model has been shot down, and afterwards I fully agree with it, the lack of content is really biting GW in the butt. Anets idea of 'putting GW down if you are bored with it, re-install it with a new interesting update', isn't working for the players anymore. Putting the game down to wait for a new interesting update would be viable if you knew every 6 months a new campaign was launched. Putting the game down, hoping you can continue in GW2 for over 2 years...this is not how you create players dedicated to your franchise.
The few updates released the past few months were not very satisfiable either. Experienced players could complete the MOX quests in a few hours. The title rebalance didn't add any 'new' content either. All in all, GW hasn't had any real content update since GW:EN, which wasn't even a full campaign to start with. Sure, increased content has been added with grinding titles, but what fun is there to find in that after so many years?
Logically, people are screaming for some information about GW2. They are dieing to hear they can keep playing their precious gaming franchise. Every new tidbit of information would acknowledge their faith in ANet for providing a fun gaming experience.
I know I'm at the point of screaming, it would be a shame if Anet/GW would just be slowly forgotten by their playerbase. We have to keep in mind those players enabled GW to become that very successful and profitable project between all those MMO's nowadays.
Sjeng
You remember how we got Gaile Gray chatlogs every other week or so, and there used to be a "Scribe" magazine, keeping us all informed of upcoming stuff. And now it's dead silence. And that is what makes us impatient. We need news! It feels like we've been left on our own.