Snowball ATS

Regina Buenaobra

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

The requirements for the Snowball ATS are the same as for the regular ATS. You need to be in a guild. You need to be in a guild for at least 14 days. You are required to have at least 4 guild members. There is no entry fee. The Snowball tournaments will play like monthly tournaments.

For rewards, you get the standard rewards you get from Snow Arena + Tournament Reward Points. These rewards include: Balthazar faction, Candy Cane Shards, Gamer Points, and Tournament Reward Points.

We got a few questions about why the ATS requirements for the Snowball ATS were not waived. Removing the 14 day membership and 4 member requirement would have required a huge amount of work from our server programmers, and we could not spare those resources. We are aware of your feedback and feelings about it, and the design team is really sorry that the requirements mean that some people will not be able to participate in Snowball ATS.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

This the part where I shout "AVALANCHE"?

TheGuildWarsPenguin

TheGuildWarsPenguin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Los Angeles, California

Picnic Pioneers

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyla View Post
This the part where I shout "AVALANCHE"?
Let's just give both Grenth and Dwayna Avalanche instead of randomly giving one team the failure known as Yellow Snow. I sense massive failure since people are going to complain that the Avalanche team will be insta-win.

You just got tomahawked

You just got tomahawked

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

H-Town

The Battle Bakery [vPie]

N/

It would have been nice if we would have known that we have to be in a guild for 14 days more than a day before it. :/

Puebert

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked View Post
It would have been nice if we would have known that we have to be in a guild for 14 days more than a day before it. :/
/agree

Would have been nice to know 14 days ago, I've been apart of my guild for only 9 days so I guess I can't join. :/

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

I'm happy and all about winter's day as a whole, however there is just one problem:
At least inform them ahead of time next time something like this is done?
I had to leave my main guild to help out with my friend's guild. And now I can't do the snowball ATS because you guys were being too super-secretive.

Like I said, winter's day as a whole is good. But this inconvenience of the snowball ATS really brings it down. Though I love the addition of the EoTN festive quests and it was about time we got a gentch tonic

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
The requirements for the Snowball ATS are the same as for the regular ATS. You need to be in a guild. You need to be in a guild for at least 14 days. You are required to have at least 4 guild members. There is no entry fee. The Snowball tournaments will play like monthly tournaments.

For rewards, you get the standard rewards you get from Snow Arena + Tournament Reward Points. These rewards include: Balthazar faction, Candy Cane Shards, Gamer Points, and Tournament Reward Points.

We got a few questions about why the ATS requirements for the Snowball ATS were not waived. Removing the 14 day membership and 4 member requirement would have required a huge amount of work from our server programmers, and we could not spare those resources. We are aware of your feedback and feelings about it, and the design team is really sorry that the requirements mean that some people will not be able to participate in Snowball ATS.
Man people on Guru are frustrating today, which is why this will be my last post until I feel it's no longer necessary for me to rage at sheer rudeness or idiocy.

People, she came here to explain and apologize for any inconvenience/disability to participate. For the love man, did anyone read her post?

Screw you and your negativism. Thank you for the update knowing that Guru community would do this. If nothing else it saved countless QQ threads about "y cant i play snoball at?!?!?1?!!1//!" Or not. Whatever.

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

It's called criticism, dude ^

Are you saying we shouldn't express our opinions on the matter?
This isn't "LOL GG ANET LOL TROLLING". It's what, we, the playerbase think.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

To bad I won't be apart of this. Would have been nice to know a few weeks ago...

rohara

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

i'm glad the usual AT restrictions are in place, but a heads up really should have been given sooner for those not familiar with the AT system. this should be a blast though!

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Puebert View Post
/agree

Would have been nice to know 14 days ago, I've been apart of my guild for only 9 days so I guess I can't join. :/
Wintersday lasts for what...10/11/12 days?

Think about it.

TheGuildWarsPenguin

TheGuildWarsPenguin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Los Angeles, California

Picnic Pioneers

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FengShuiDove View Post
Man people on Guru are frustrating today, which is why this will be my last post until I feel it's no longer necessary for me to rage at sheer rudeness or idiocy.

People, she came here to explain and apologize for any inconvenience/disability to participate. For the love man, did anyone read her post?

Screw you and your negativism. Thank you for the update knowing that Guru community would do this. If nothing else it saved countless QQ threads about "y cant i play snoball at?!?!?1?!!1//!" Or not. Whatever.
No one has yelled at her. Lulz.
I agree it would have been better to know about this earlier than the day before the event starts, but I'm fine with it.

Nomme Moon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Yeah, I just left my guild to find one to do Wintersday events with, and they wait until the last possible second to say that? More than a little annoying, ANet. Pretty big fail on your part, I don't care if you're too friggin snowed in to say so.

here to troll

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomme Moon View Post
Yeah, I just left my guild to find one to do Wintersday events with.
IMO thats your fault for guild hopping, so i can't say that I'm all that sorry for you. Better luck next time.

Ate of DK

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

I got something called friendslist...


On the 17th december this also got posted this on the official wiki. It's nice that she attempts to reach more people than just the wiki-readers.

Nomme Moon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by here to troll View Post
IMO thats your fault for guild hopping, so i can't say that I'm all that sorry for you. Better luck next time.
Nice name, you live up to it nicely

kane zarthrox

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

WA

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomme Moon View Post
Nice name, you live up to it nicely
Ahh shut your face, you left for wintersday stuff, ATS isn't the only thing available, though i know alot of people were wanting to do it. If you think you could do any better then A-net, i'd like to see your 3 games and an expansion, and you update and keep everything on track, stuff happens that affects all of us. Life sucks dude, A-net just can't make EVERYTHING perfect, then there wouldn't be a guru forum for all the QQ's and the "WTF WHY NO GW 2 INFOZ!!!!!!one1!!!!one111111111111!!!!"

Puebert

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lykan View Post
Wintersday lasts for what...10/11/12 days?

Think about it.
I thought it was just the weekend.

Aera Lure

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FengShuiDove View Post
Man people on Guru are frustrating today, which is why this will be my last post until I feel it's no longer necessary for me to rage at sheer rudeness or idiocy.

People, she came here to explain and apologize for any inconvenience/disability to participate. For the love man, did anyone read her post?

Screw you and your negativism. Thank you for the update knowing that Guru community would do this. If nothing else it saved countless QQ threads about "y cant i play snoball at?!?!?1?!!1//!" Or not. Whatever.
Criticism is normal and even healthy to a development cycle. That's all I saw.

I think it is a very valid criticism given Regina's explanation that if Anet knew they werent going to do any code editing, than they should have had a statement out at least 14 days prior to the event stating what was necessary so one could play. Maybe some people switched guilds temporarily for a holiday-themed guild name, or switched for the holidays for any reason at all. That's criticism I think Anet could put to good use, in the future, provided they continue to read topics and replies.

That said, yes, thanks to Regina for the explanation and I am sure and apology is better than none and that is appreciated also.

TheOrangeFalcon

TheOrangeFalcon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

Cali

Trinity of the Ascended[ToA]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Puebert View Post
I thought it was just the weekend.
Wintersday events begin at noon Pacific Time (-8 GMT) on Friday, December 19, 2008 and run until noon on January 5, 2009. The Wintersday grand finale will take place on Wintersday itself in Lion's Arch and Kamadan, beginning at 12:01 AM Pacific on Thursday, January 1, 2009, and repeating every three hours until 12:01 AM on Friday, January 2, 2009.

http://www.guildwars.com/events/ingame/wintersday2008/

That's 18 days.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

As it requires a guild and is in a mat format, does that mean you will gain/lose rating from doing these??

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

I believe making the ATS support a whole entirely new format was a huge ton of work, far greater than setting different requirements for them. And that changing the requirements wasn't considered at the time it was being implemented, so going back to that and reworking it is what would take too much resources now.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
I believe making the ATS support a whole entirely new format was a huge ton of work, far greater than setting different requirements for them. And that changing the requirements wasn't considered at the time it was being implemented, so going back to that and reworking it is what would take too much resources now.
I dont hink Id agree... probably just linking the existing AT rules into the snowball arena skillset?? I think everthing is basically already there written, just linking.

What Im not sure of (maybe coz I havent read it if its available) is that if its an AT format, is it going to be every 8 hours like the normal ATs? Guess I'll find out soon enough

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Well, that's a real shame. I was really looking forward to the Snowball ATS, and now I won't be participating since my guild reccently split up.

Really, this is just silly. Partcipation in a HOLIDAY themed event where you throw snowballs at other players should not be taken too seriously. Any raging responses are a bit unnecessary.

On the other hand... at the same time, A.net shouldn't have droped the ball on this. This had huge potential to be very popular and a lot of fun. Instead, 90% of the GW player base (ie, those who don't read the forums or the wikis) will probablly not even know about this feature's existance. All previous holiday events and quests were open to everybody (ie, even level 10s could partcipate in most of the holiday quests from the past). Nothing was ever hard or exclusive. It should be open to everybody in the spirit of the season.

And saying it would be too much work for programmers... eh, I'd rather have people do something well or not at all. Half-assing the job by not getting rid of those restrictions (which really, why should they be hard coded into the programming in the first place?) is kinda frustrating and unprofessional.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

ah, oh well...my guild doesnt meet the requirements (and heck I am the only active one left....so).....but this may mean that the reg snow ball fights might be doable by us 'noobs' since the 'pros' will all be over in the ats.....

nice idea. thanks for the thought (its that that counts right?)

??Evan??

??Evan??

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tombs

In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP]/Ruthless Amazons [ego]

W/E

Why would the 14 day rule be implemented for snowball ATS? Maybe with a 2 week notice this would seem ok but I can't see why not having a 14 day account would be a problem for a snowball match. My guild just formed and not being able to play this as a guild is an upset to me. I see no reason for 14 day accounts for snowball ATS.

Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

W/

For everyone who is very sad they cant play: only 4 people need to be in the guild for 14 days so if you just joined a new guild you might still be able to play with them.

??Evan??

??Evan??

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tombs

In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP]/Ruthless Amazons [ego]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gforce View Post
For everyone who is very sad they cant play: only 4 people need to be in the guild for 14 days so if you just joined a new guild you might still be able to play with them.
yeah but it still leaves newly created guilds out of the loop

Buterfly

Buterfly

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Not only will new guilds be left out of the snowball ATs, but I can see old guilds having members that would not be able to play either. Imagine how many pve guilds there are with max 100 members, of which most of the members will not be able to play because half the team needs to be 14 day members, and at least one has to be an officer.

It may be worth the effort to try to fix this limitation seeing as it'll be keeping Most of the gw community from experiencing this festive activity

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked View Post
It would have been nice if we would have known that we have to be in a guild for 14 days more than a day before it. :/
Same here, I've only been in a new guild for a day now, after being guildless for over a year (the way I prefer to play now). I'm pretty stumped about hearing this, 'cause I was really looking forward to play this with a guild.

Nice fail Anet, you could atleast warned a little earlier than 1 day before the event.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Hmm.. why do I get this premonition that anet might extend this part of Wintersday for an extra week......

My accounts are primarily in my own solo guild, so no time to move out or move others in now... oh well, I'll find something to do ^.^

netniwk

netniwk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Bellgium

W/E

Took a huge break before Christmas and got kicked from the guild, no snowball tournaments for me

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by netniwk View Post
Took a huge break before Christmas and got kicked from the guild, no snowball tournaments for me
Slacker :P anyone would think RL was more important ^.^

Lyynyyrd

Lyynyyrd

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2008

Aussie Trolling Crew - Spah!

Quote:
Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked View Post
It would have been nice if we would have known that we have to be in a guild for 14 days more than a day before it. :/
Agreed.
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StormX

StormX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOrangeFalcon View Post
Wintersday events begin at noon Pacific Time (-8 GMT) on Friday, December 19, 2008 and run until noon on January 5, 2009. The Wintersday grand finale will take place on Wintersday itself in Lion's Arch and Kamadan, beginning at 12:01 AM Pacific on Thursday, January 1, 2009, and repeating every three hours until 12:01 AM on Friday, January 2, 2009.

http://www.guildwars.com/events/ingame/wintersday2008/

That's 18 days.
And I'll be away for 11 of those days T___T

On the other hand THANX ANET for making it a new years day event I was afraid I might not be back in time for the finale..and I'd been waiting for this all year

<3 Wintersday!!!!!!!!!!

SNOWBALL HERE I COME

ps. too bad about the ATS though..i dont have any "connections" and my guild doesn't even pvp

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Hey just because you guys let rl or inactiveness interfere with your gaming doesn't mean Anet should change it for the rest of the folks. That being said, I've been in my guild for almost a year now and well idk if we'll do this seeing as not many people even like snowball. Weird pve farming types.

hoyce

hoyce

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2008

Like ATS is the only thing we'll be doing this Wintersday, if you can't pvp go farm and do quest...There's tons of work this holiday season.

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ¿Evan¿ View Post
Why would the 14 day rule be implemented for snowball ATS? Maybe with a 2 week notice this would seem ok but I can't see why not having a 14 day account would be a problem for a snowball match. My guild just formed and not being able to play this as a guild is an upset to me. I see no reason for 14 day accounts for snowball ATS.
Did you actually read the OP?

Horus

Horus

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

www.godtguild.com

Blades Of Burning Shadows [GoDT]-leader

Mo/

a question about this tournament: will it have same rules as normal snowball arena, getting presents to your avatar or to eliminate enemy team?

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18 View Post
Hey just because you guys let rl or inactiveness interfere with your gaming doesn't mean Anet should change it for the rest of the folks. That being said, I've been in my guild for almost a year now and well idk if we'll do this seeing as not many people even like snowball. Weird pve farming types.

Did you really just say that? Wow.