One of the biggest things that piss me off in this game, is the countless people that wont tell you how much they want for something.,
Me - WTB Superior Vigor
PlayerX - Offer?
Me - How much for it?
PlayerX - Offer?
Me - HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR IT?
PlayerX - Offer?
Me - Forget it!
Me - WTB Superior Vigor
Where does this come from? Is this just in Guild Wars?
What part of the world do you go into a store, and there are absolutly no prices..you just say ill offer you 50 bucks for that T.V.
Why cant people tell you what they want to sell something for?
Isnt it easier to just tell someone how much you want for it, instead of waiting untill someone offers something more than its worth?
Im guessing it has to be korean..like they used to do with trying to sell you stuff you didnt ask for. I would be somewhere and someone out of the blue would open trade with me, put 7 things in the window (that i didnt need or want) and say "offer"?
Excuse me if this is actually they way people actually trade in some part of the world, but it seems rather retarded.
Where did this offer system derive from?
Someone please help me here.
Ode to the Offer
Wrath of m0o
crazybanshee
Umm, strange rant? People are trying to get the most they can for an item, and are hoping you'll offer more than they were going to ask for. If you do, they'll take your offer. If you offer less, they'll counter. No big mystery here....
Gift3d
I ignore anyone who says that kinda bs to me. Cause whenever i reply, it's always a greedy kid who goes "nt" as soon as you say a standard price. Just hoping you'll overpay for their stuff. If not, NT.
StubbyMcFatty
definitely invented by greedy people
pumpkin pie
you did what the seller do
you refusing to give offer
them refusing to give offer
lol
you refusing to give offer
them refusing to give offer
lol
MisterB
Greedy or inexperienced negotiators. Not worth your time.
I pwnd U
Because people wanna see if they can scam you. If you don't know how much they are worth and are willing to overpay for it they will jump on you and sell it quick. If they give you an offer and you think its to much they don't wanna take the time to bargain with you or they are massively over pricing it and just trying to catch a newbie.
Cale Roughstar
People ask for offers because they are hoping that you are ignorant. Whenever someone asks me for an offer, I just lowball them (in case they are ignorant). Then when they say nty, I offer standard price. Rather annoying, but gets through the BS well enough.
Lycan Nibbler
You were the one instigating a trade by the WTB therefore you should be the one making a price that you WTB at. Therefore you were the one at fault here OP.
QUOTE"What part of the world do you go into a store, and there are absolutly no prices..you just say ill offer you 50 bucks for that T.V."
You arent going to the store, you are on a street corner shouting that you WTB something - more like a pawn shop if you like, a person brings an item you are looking for and you offer a price.
Its when people do WTB and WTS but then dont give prices when you ask that is annoying, if you WTS or WTB then you KNOW a price you are looking for - but you just want to see if you can rip someone off.
Oh and calling something retarded when you were doing exactly the same makes you.....
QUOTE"What part of the world do you go into a store, and there are absolutly no prices..you just say ill offer you 50 bucks for that T.V."
You arent going to the store, you are on a street corner shouting that you WTB something - more like a pawn shop if you like, a person brings an item you are looking for and you offer a price.
Its when people do WTB and WTS but then dont give prices when you ask that is annoying, if you WTS or WTB then you KNOW a price you are looking for - but you just want to see if you can rip someone off.
Oh and calling something retarded when you were doing exactly the same makes you.....
DarkFlame
Two kinds of people do that. The innocent kind who honestly doesn't know the value of what they are selling and looking to you to price check for them before selling. And those not so, who are hoping you over pay.
Rather then getting upset over it, just give them an offer(whatever you're willing to pay minus a couple of percentages). You'll either come away with a deal or get the other guy to go away faster.
Racist much?
Rather then getting upset over it, just give them an offer(whatever you're willing to pay minus a couple of percentages). You'll either come away with a deal or get the other guy to go away faster.
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Im guessing it has to be korean..
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The Red Messenger
basic barter tips:
-the first person to tell them what price they want loses. (because all bidding starts from the FIRST offer, and only goes in one direction from there)
-never tell the seller these three things:
1) how much cash you really have
2) the most you are really willing to pay (until he refuses to budge at said price)
3) how badly you want something; make him think you're about to walk away if you dont get it at your price
never tell the buyer:
-how many of the item you have you are selling (at first, unless its stackable like ecto) or have sold in the past. you want 'em to think you are inexperienced basically. if they think you're pro then they think theyre about to get ripped off and tend to take longer or look for other buyers before deciding
-the lowest you will go; make him offer it first. then you can go slightly higher without (usually) scaring him away
i never followed these rules but its a place to start if you're feeling greedy
-the first person to tell them what price they want loses. (because all bidding starts from the FIRST offer, and only goes in one direction from there)
-never tell the seller these three things:
1) how much cash you really have
2) the most you are really willing to pay (until he refuses to budge at said price)
3) how badly you want something; make him think you're about to walk away if you dont get it at your price
never tell the buyer:
-how many of the item you have you are selling (at first, unless its stackable like ecto) or have sold in the past. you want 'em to think you are inexperienced basically. if they think you're pro then they think theyre about to get ripped off and tend to take longer or look for other buyers before deciding
-the lowest you will go; make him offer it first. then you can go slightly higher without (usually) scaring him away
i never followed these rules but its a place to start if you're feeling greedy
Wrath of m0o
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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az
You were the one instigating a trade by the WTB therefore you should be the one making a price that you WTB at. Therefore you were the one at fault here OP.
QUOTE"What part of the world do you go into a store, and there are absolutly no prices..you just say ill offer you 50 bucks for that T.V." You arent going to the store, you are on a street corner shouting that you WTB something - more like a pawn shop if you like, a person brings an item you are looking for and you offer a price. Its when people do WTB and WTS but then dont give prices when you ask that is annoying, if you WTS or WTB then you KNOW a price you are looking for - but you just want to see if you can rip someone off. Oh and calling something retarded when you were doing exactly the same makes you..... |
I am not the one with the item, therefore i can not put a price on what your selling untill you tell me what your selling it for.
Kerwyn Nasilan
For higher priced things I generally just want an offer because i hate selling and what to know what they are willing to pay if it is at all reasonable I will sell t for that, I am not trying to scam just not 100% on top of current prices, plus neither are a lot of people, if I don't want an object and some one wants it Ill generally just sell it for there price, everyone is happy.
Sin City Gamer
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Originally Posted by DarkFlame
Racist much?
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Actually, I grew up in Korea (military brat) and I was at a loss for words when we moved back to the States and there was no haggling going on in department stores, corner stores, grocery stores, etc., etc., etc.
So, no, given my experience (which I'm willing to bet is more inclusive of and sympathetic to Korean culture than yours is) that was not a racist comment, merely an accurate observation of a different culture's commerce practices.
EDIT: Also, growing up in such a haggle-heavy environment, I can tell you that the first person to name price is at a distinct disadvantage in these types of transactions.
Meat Axe
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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan
For higher priced things I generally just want an offer because i hate selling and what to know what they are willing to pay if it is at all reasonable I will sell t for that, I am not trying to scam just not 100% on top of current prices, plus neither are a lot of people, if I don't want an object and some one wants it Ill generally just sell it for there price, everyone is happy.
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I actually think it's rather annoying that when I ask someone to offer, they either don't respond, swear at me, or simply say that they're not interested anymore. I honestly don't understand why you wouldn't take the chance to get something for cheaper simply because you think the seller will just say no. It's what, two seconds of your time if they say no? I know they say time is money, but that's just ridiculous. We're not all out to scam you. Sometimes people just want to sell something quickly, and allowing the buyer to set the price is one of the quickest ways to move an item.
blood4blood
If neither one of you can be bothered to check the Rune Trader's sell and buy prices then work out an obvious compromise, you both deserve to stand there wasting your time.
Wrath of m0o
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Originally Posted by blood4blood
If neither one of you can be bothered to check the Rune Trader's sell and buy prices then work out an obvious compromise, you both deserve to stand there wasting your time.
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From now on whenever anyone hits me with "offer"?, im going to reply..two goats and a donkey.
MStarfire
Every time someone in game says "WTS ITEM PM OFFERS", I always spam them with "1g" until they ignore me.
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o
Wrong.
I am not the one with the item, therefore i can not put a price on what your selling untill you tell me what your selling it for. |
When someone is doing WTB for something I have, my response would be, and how much are you offering for "x" - if they say what do you want, then its a /ignore.
The fact that you dont understand that explains why you actually started this thread.
Snow Bunny
You know, you could just offer what you will pay for the item, and avoid making a long rant.
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer
Actually, I grew up in Korea (military brat) and I was at a loss for words when we moved back to the States and there was no haggling going on in department stores, corner stores, grocery stores, etc., etc., etc.
So, no, given my experience (which I'm willing to bet is more inclusive of and sympathetic to Korean culture than yours is) that was not a racist comment, merely an accurate observation of a different culture's commerce practices. EDIT: Also, growing up in such a haggle-heavy environment, I can tell you that the first person to name price is at a distinct disadvantage in these types of transactions. |
Also, the first person to name a price is only at a disadvantage if he lets himself be. When I sell items I set what I think is a perfectly reasonable price, if someone tries to lowball, then they get a no ty, GL.
Nightow
This offer business really makes me hope GW2 has a market system in place. That way, you don't have to haggle, you don't have to deal with offers or what someone would think is a fair price. (I've seen "fair prices" range from person to person far too often) It's just take it or leave it and it makes it a lot easier to figure out prices.
OP, only advice I can give to you is not to fight against the tide and just either avoid trading (outside of friends and guildmates) or just deal with it.
OP, only advice I can give to you is not to fight against the tide and just either avoid trading (outside of friends and guildmates) or just deal with it.
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Meat Axe
I actually think it's rather annoying that when I ask someone to offer, they either don't respond, swear at me, or simply say that they're not interested anymore. I honestly don't understand why you wouldn't take the chance to get something for cheaper simply because you think the seller will just say no. It's what, two seconds of your time if they say no? I know they say time is money, but that's just ridiculous. We're not all out to scam you. Sometimes people just want to sell something quickly, and allowing the buyer to set the price is one of the quickest ways to move an item.
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It's racist because he assumed the bots that offer 7 random things to you are korean, and not just a bot that could be handled by any nationality.
But that's besides the point. Personally I don't like it when people ask me to offer - but it's just part of the trade system and you need to learn to deal with it because it's not going away.
But that's besides the point. Personally I don't like it when people ask me to offer - but it's just part of the trade system and you need to learn to deal with it because it's not going away.
StormDragonZ
Want to know one of my tricks?
Sell something for an insane price and see if people say "it's barely worth more than Xk!" Then, go somewhere else and offer 1k more than that.
I've sold many green weapons that way.
As for runes or materials, just go to the trader, see what he'll buy it for, see what he'll sell it for and go halfway + 250-500 gold...
Sell something for an insane price and see if people say "it's barely worth more than Xk!" Then, go somewhere else and offer 1k more than that.
I've sold many green weapons that way.
As for runes or materials, just go to the trader, see what he'll buy it for, see what he'll sell it for and go halfway + 250-500 gold...
superraptors
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
You know, you could just offer what you will pay for the item, and avoid making a long rant.
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AKB48
Alot people say the "offer" is entirely for the greedy, but its also for these who are not sure the price of what they're selling. So if the buyer's offer is some where near what they think, usually they will accept, if its lower......things happens. 
Reverend Dr
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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger
-the first person to tell them what price they want loses. (because all bidding starts from the FIRST offer, and only goes in one direction from there)
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Go ahead and give a first price, you are now in control and setting the pace of the bartering. Just remember that you are bartering so set the price lower if you are buying and higher if you are selling. Not allowing for negotiation puts you at a disadvantage, but allowing for it puts you at a distict advantage.
Remember some people want to haggle. You may not want to deal with them, but there is no way to differentiate with the limited trade options available. Avoiding these people simply because they will haggle means that you will lose opportunities to buy or sell. Refusing to accept that GW trade is fundamentally a haggling system is just stubbornness putting you at a large disadvantage.
bel unbreakable
saying make me an offer is an insult to the noble art of haggling
most of the little buggers if you make them a fair and honest offer will just turn round and tell you " lol noob its worth 10 times that" proving that they do know the items worth and are just rying to cheat you
most of the little buggers if you make them a fair and honest offer will just turn round and tell you " lol noob its worth 10 times that" proving that they do know the items worth and are just rying to cheat you
Reflect
You want to sell/buy, so you are the active side.So you have to offer.
Age
I would of just offered him 50 to 100g for it was this thread needed.
cataphract
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Originally Posted by MStarfire
Every time someone in game says "WTS ITEM PM OFFERS", I always spam them with "1g" until they ignore me.
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Shasgaliel
I am not trading much. Once a while I check the offers just to be around the current pricing. I look at those WTB X stuff. Now since I do not need/want to sell anything I am just ignoring those. But then if someone really needs a given item which I have but do not use I might sell it to him. But for that I need to know how much he is offering for it. Please note this is different than standard selling. I am not trying to get rid of my stuff and look for buyers for it I am just willing to sell the item you want if you offer a fair price. I am not gonna guess how much you are willing to pay for it. Or you make an offer or you do not get the item... Plain and simple.
If was trying to get rid of stuff I would definitevely put a price for it in the "Hello I have one" line. If I am just potentially willing to trade I need to be encouraged to participate in it.
If was trying to get rid of stuff I would definitevely put a price for it in the "Hello I have one" line. If I am just potentially willing to trade I need to be encouraged to participate in it.
Wrath of m0o
I could see if this was an auction..and we had an item up for bid, and we had multiple buyers competing for this item.
The bid starts at 50k..
Even in auctions there is always a starting point, and then the buyers work from that price.
You just dont go..We got this..anyone wanna offer anything for it?
This is how i WTS..
Me - WTS Superior Vigor
PlayerX - How Much?
(I already know what im going to sell this thing for before i even post, or close to it)
Me - 17k
PlayerX - umm...16k
Me - Fine..storage
The WTS i have no problems with, its the WTB's with this offer some price thats in your head that i have to mindread. I dont know what you want for it so i have a hard time making an offer with nothing to go on here.
It is so much more logical to just say what you want for the thing in the first place, rather than pick an unknown figure you are going to be happy with.
Just tell us what you want for it..you will sell alot more stuff this way.
This offer me crap just pisses people off.
The bid starts at 50k..
Even in auctions there is always a starting point, and then the buyers work from that price.
You just dont go..We got this..anyone wanna offer anything for it?
This is how i WTS..
Me - WTS Superior Vigor
PlayerX - How Much?
(I already know what im going to sell this thing for before i even post, or close to it)
Me - 17k
PlayerX - umm...16k
Me - Fine..storage
The WTS i have no problems with, its the WTB's with this offer some price thats in your head that i have to mindread. I dont know what you want for it so i have a hard time making an offer with nothing to go on here.
It is so much more logical to just say what you want for the thing in the first place, rather than pick an unknown figure you are going to be happy with.
Just tell us what you want for it..you will sell alot more stuff this way.
This offer me crap just pisses people off.
upier
IF I happen to be buying things from people, which I don't know WHY I would because they don't sell armours, and IF someone happens to say that, I just tell them to give me a minute for me to check Guru to see what the normal price for the item is. Or I say that considering that the trader is selling it for BLAH BLAH BLAH, I am willing to pay BLAH BLAH BLAH-x for it.
And if the guy just wants to maximize his profit by selling it to someone that doesn't have clue about the prices - you should get that NT very soon.
And if the guy just wants to maximize his profit by selling it to someone that doesn't have clue about the prices - you should get that NT very soon.
Shasgaliel
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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o
The WTS i have no problems with, its the WTB's with this offer some price thats in your head that i have to mindread. I dont know what you want for it so i have a hard time making an offer with nothing to go on here.
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If you are not willing to share the price your are willing to pay then I will not waste my time looking for a decent price check. It is you who needs something to buy not me who needs something to be sold! You spam WTS name the price. You spam WTB put price as well. Why both should be different at any time? People who want something to be sold know what they want for it and same people who want to buy. It is the potential buyers for WTS guys and sellers for WTB guys who do not always know the price they are willing to accept.
Instead of trying to force them to name their price do it first. You know it, they often don't. If they knew they would name it in the first line (unless they are trying to scam you of course).
After writing this post I realized why the only trades I recently perform are through guru sell/buy threads....
Wrath of m0o
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IF someone happens to say that, I just tell them to give me a minute for me to check Guru to see what the normal price for the item is.
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99.333% of people who are selling things already do this.
You cant tell me that you have no idea what you want for it, so you want me to offer something that your happy with? Thats absured!!
Im going to go get gas tomorrow, walk into the station and say i need to fill my truck with gas...Ill give you 18 bucks for a full tank, lets see how that works out.
dusanyu
defiantly greed, example last week went looking to buy armbrase person replays with offer so i offered what i had seen them going for in spamadan (100k+30) person makes rune LM*** acronym thing that Kids love so much and than says he wants +50 for the thing. and basicly i tell him that i would look elsewhere.
Three hours later i post a "WTB armbrase" in Trade in Spamadan. 10 minutes alter some one PMs me a price (100k+25) and deal was sealed.
so yes the offer thing is based on Greed (and stupidity)
Three hours later i post a "WTB armbrase" in Trade in Spamadan. 10 minutes alter some one PMs me a price (100k+25) and deal was sealed.
so yes the offer thing is based on Greed (and stupidity)
makosi
I don't like this sort of trader either which is why I list a buying price 95% of the time. In the case of Superior Vigor there is usually a 4k difference between the traders' buy and sell price so I sell or buy those runes for [trader buy value + trader sell value]/2 but people will often try to sell you Sup Vigor for 500g under the trader's price. 
My biggest trading woe has to be, "NO REPLY = NO THX," or "NO NOOB OFFERZ."
Wrapped up in your own self-importance much?
My biggest trading woe has to be, "NO REPLY = NO THX," or "NO NOOB OFFERZ."
Wrapped up in your own self-importance much?
Lycan Nibbler
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Originally Posted by Shasgaliel
If you are not willing to share the price your are willing to pay then I will not waste my time looking for a decent price check. It is you who needs something to buy not me who needs something to be sold! You spam WTS name the price. You spam WTB put price as well. Why both should be different at any time? People who want something to be sold know what they want for it and same people who want to buy. It is the potential buyers for WTS guys and sellers for WTB guys who do not always know the price they are willing to accept. Instead of trying to force them to name their price do it first. You know it, they often don't. If they knew they would name it in the first line (unless they are trying to scam you of course). After writing this post I realized why the only trades I recently perform are through guru sell/buy threads.... |
When you are doing WTB then you are starting any transaction and need to be naming your price you are willing to buy - if you dont have one, then you are pretty stupid spamming WTB without a value in your mind.