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Darcryed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

24 Dec 2008 at 02:33 - 1

Hello there,

I have a simple suggestion that would make life easier for everyone. When I vanquish or do missions with people, I tend to forget to pick up some white items because I just don't notice them on the screen or in the chat log. That happens with lockpicks and it's pretty annoying to leave them there because they are white.

So my idea is to change them to gold items, so that we can be assured we'll notice it when they drop.

What do you think ?

Headchopperz

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

always 5+ miles from you

Slayers of Lost Order

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24 Dec 2008 at 02:45 - 2

get glasses maby =)
lol joke
i dont really mind
but it might be nice because they are like 1.5k ea and leaving them might be a bit of a loss

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

24 Dec 2008 at 02:59 - 3

No. You buy lockpicks from the merchant, hence the white color. They're common items.

If you don't want to miss them, read what drops.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

24 Dec 2008 at 03:01 - 4

I heard holding alt and looking at the ground is hard to do.

They don't need to be changed.

Sin City Gamer

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

Las Vegas, NV, USA

Death Design Cult [DDC]

24 Dec 2008 at 03:30 - 5

I heard that mods following the posting rules like everyone else tries to do is even harder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sardelac Sanitarium Rules

6. Post constructively

/signed

I think that this is good idea, shouldn't take a lot of work on the coding end, and wouldn't hurt anyone who doesn't care whether it's changed or not.

kane zarthrox

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

WA

Mo/E

24 Dec 2008 at 03:48 - 6

yeah, pretty douchebaggish thing to do for a mod, i mean, not everyone has perfect vision or pays attention, i mean, i lose things all the time cause im to caught up looking for more monsters to vanquish, good pointing that out. i /sign this because its a nice idea, people lose things all the time cause its in white.... (and watch the mod that posted lose a lp cause it was in white lol!)

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

24 Dec 2008 at 04:07 - 7

/notsigned

You don't even need "perfect" vision. Just hit the ";" key after every fight and jab the space bar key after every fight. If bots can do it, then so can players.

Honestly, its not our fault you don't bother to pick up items. Half the people I know in this game who complain about "not having any money, can you loan me 50g" don't even bother picking up white items because its "not worth it." 90% of your income in this game should be made by picking up EVERYTHING that drops and selling it to the merchant (not hoping for that super rare drop and reselling it). My suggestion is to not leave items lying around.

If lockpicks are made "gold" then so should any other item that has value that drops, like Shard or Ecto. But since the price of such items are set by the player and supply and demand, there is no way for a.net to know their value ahead of time. Since the market can change later (say some new duping bug makes ectos price drop down to 100g a piece) it would be pretty stupid to make gold items for things with inconsistant value.

After all, the original HoD sword was worth hundreds of k and was a blue item. So is the -50 grim cesta. Or the HoD axe. And those items all have value that go beyond their color. If you don't pick up some white items because you aren't paying attention, then there is always the possibility that you are going to miss something "valuable" like a destroyer core. It's not a.net job to put price values on things and anticipate the player economy. There will always be white items that are valuable that a.net can not anticipate being valuable. The best solution is to pay attention and pick up your drops.

bodyboarder

retired

Join Date: Jun 2006

24 Dec 2008 at 04:11 - 8

Eh i dont get why this was started....just either pick everything up or just look and pay attention for your drops.

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

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24 Dec 2008 at 04:37 - 9

Personally I always hold down Alt and scan what's on the ground, but then again I pick up everything. If I don't use it, I salvage it (it actually pays off well). On the subject of colors, I've always wondered why anything that drops in blue shows up in white, whereas greens, golds, and purples have their own colors. Sure blues may not be quite as popular but you never know if it could unlock something else. But /notsigned on lockpicks, just pick them up with everything else, and if you find a locked chest you'll know soon enough if you have one.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

24 Dec 2008 at 04:50 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

I heard that mods following the posting rules like everyone else tries to do is even harder.

/signed

I think that this is good idea, shouldn't take a lot of work on the coding end, and wouldn't hurt anyone who doesn't care whether it's changed or not.

Pretty sure saying hold alt and look at drops is advice, which is constructive posting. Of course if you think the post wasn't constructive, you can always PM Inde.

We might as well change the colors of holiday drops too, then, since they're white items that are usually overlooked. Let's change the color of every white item that many players would pick up and may get overlooked. While we're at it, let's make blue items appear blue on the chat window also. It's only fair that if lockpicks get changed other in-demand whites should too, right?

...Or we as players can be less lazy and just look at the drops on the ground. Overall, I think this would be a better solution to this non-existent problem.

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

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24 Dec 2008 at 05:17 - 11

New threads on guru just get dumber and dumber everyday.

/notsigned. Holding Alt and watching what drops isn't so difficult.

Darcryed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

24 Dec 2008 at 06:40 - 12

Look, I am not stupid, I know that I can look around while holding ALT to see the drops, but forgetting something does happen, and it's frustrating to find out you forgot to pick up a lp, ten minutes after it dropped.

About the holiday items, destroyer cores and such, I believe there's a difference between leaving behind items worth 100-500 gp and a lockpick that is worth 1500 gp.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

If lockpicks are made "gold" then so should any other item that has value that drops, like Shard or Ecto. But since the price of such items are set by the player and supply and demand, there is no way for a.net to know their value ahead of time. Since the market can change later (say some new duping bug makes ectos price drop down to 100g a piece) it would be pretty stupid to make gold items for things with inconsistant value.

What about scrolls ? according to almost everyone who posted, they shouldn't have that gold color, but they do. I understand what you mean, but let's just say that someone is way more careful about drops in FoW or UW, than in some random explorable of Tyria, thus it's possible to leave a lockpick on the ground.

Lockpicks have a consistant and constant value, so the market change is hardly relevant in that situation.

Anyway, thanks for *considering* my idea, I guess this thread can be closed.

@Darkganni :
This is not a dumb thread, I've seen it happen to other people too, and I assumed they weren't the only ones in the whole game. I made this thread to help, not to be looked upon as some moron who can't hold ALT.

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

Join Date: Aug 2008

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E/Mo

24 Dec 2008 at 06:54 - 13

/notsigned

Then change ecto's to gold. It's not needed.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

24 Dec 2008 at 07:20 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcryed

What about scrolls ? according to almost everyone who posted, they shouldn't have that gold color, but they do.

Gold scrolls were gold before they got a scroll trader. Also, it's to differentiate them from the functionally identical but poorer blue scrolls.

If you see anything pop up in chat, you don't have to read what it is, just ";" + "space". Done.

Dmitri3

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, almost got to see a polar bear... :P

24 Dec 2008 at 07:32 - 15

Happened to me more that once and I still don't find this idea any good.

The game shouldn't look after me like I'm an idiot and tell "oh hey, you missed an item that is worth $$$$ at current market prices, maybe you should pick it up, you know, cause it's worth $$$$ and you need money".
Gold, purple, blue, red is not indication of an item's worth. It is nice to have, but it is not the value of the item. Most golds I get are barely worth more that 500 gold... Unless GW team wants to rework the whole item grading system, there's no "yeah, go for it" from me. But who are we kidding? Even I wouldn't want to rework that.

Also, pick up everything, salvage or identify it and sell to merchant... not that hard.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

24 Dec 2008 at 07:45 - 16

I still don't know why drops don't automatically appear in our inventories, but we are rather forced to pick them up?

Or maybe - as previously suggested - have the minis be able to pick up your crap.
That - I wouldn't mind.

But changing just the color does nothing for me.

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

24 Dec 2008 at 07:58 - 17

By default, semi-colon ( ; ) will auto-target the nearest drop, or sign.

; + spacebar wins (super lazy and never fails)

Forgotton200

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2008

Mo/

24 Dec 2008 at 08:01 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcryed

Hello there,

I have a simple suggestion that would make life easier for everyone. When I vanquish or do missions with people, I tend to forget to pick up some white items because I just don't notice them on the screen or in the chat log. That happens with lockpicks and it's pretty annoying to leave them there because they are white.

So my idea is to change them to gold items, so that we can be assured we'll notice it when they drop.

What do you think ?

I think this is just as stupid as Phantom_Flux's suggestions. Honestly, just look at the ground for a "lockpick." There's so much other important broken crap that needs to be fixed.

/unsigned.

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

Mo/

24 Dec 2008 at 08:17 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Personally I always hold down Alt and scan what's on the ground, but then again I pick up everything. If I don't use it, I salvage it (it actually pays off well). On the subject of colors, I've always wondered why anything that drops in blue shows up in white, whereas greens, golds, and purples have their own colors. Sure blues may not be quite as popular but you never know if it could unlock something else. But /notsigned on lockpicks, just pick them up with everything else, and if you find a locked chest you'll know soon enough if you have one.

umm blue items have always shown up blue on the ground to me. unless you mean the chat box in which their description is not different than whites.

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

24 Dec 2008 at 08:22 - 20

I want Anet to automatically put anything worth more than 1k in my inventory. When items are dropped, it is automatically checked via a database to guru to see the potential sell value of the item, and assigned to me if it's more than 1k. Thanks.

Dmitri3

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, almost got to see a polar bear... :P

24 Dec 2008 at 08:27 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

I want Anet to automatically put anything worth more than 1k in my inventory. When items are dropped, it is automatically checked via a database to guru to see the potential sell value of the item, and assigned to me if it's more than 1k. Thanks.

Weak. I want everything that isn't worth much sold to merchant automatically. Items that are worth something should be filled by a bot into an auction, then sell the item and put the money into my storage. System should always be aware of what I want or not, so it doesn't accidentally sell the drop I wanted for myself.

Yeah, not gonna happen.

Latham

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

[DL]

Mo/

24 Dec 2008 at 10:59 - 22

/notsigned,

Just press Alt, and pick ALL your drops up, problem solved, You cant go running to Anet every time you find a flaw in yourself and need an urgent fix so you don't go running on ahead to the next group of baddies, honestly.

';' 'Space' Isn't rocket science, and if it is, i would appreciate it if Anet reworked the whole system so i all i have to do is press 1, and my vanquish/mission, or what ever it is you plan to do to entertain yourself, Is done with minimum or no effort on my behalf, Thanks !

Headchopperz

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

always 5+ miles from you

Slayers of Lost Order

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24 Dec 2008 at 13:37 - 23

all i do is look at the item and press space and it auto targets and picks up...

Strife17

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2008

Mo/

24 Dec 2008 at 14:07 - 24

dude i would so want my mini pet to loot my drops..
-like white minipet only loots white items
-blue only blue and white..
...
-green mini pet loots everything

i'm always too lazy/uninterested to pick up white items like gold coins. even blue item i don't always pick up

100g split with 8 ppl(heros/hench/..) thats like 12,5g for you, thats not worth picking up imo.

but then again, if you look at the bigger picture.. i could be very rich lol

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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24 Dec 2008 at 15:30 - 25

Expendable lockpicks, unlike reusable ones, are usually made of raw, cheap iron, like ninja throwing weapons, made in a cheap, quick process to make lots of them in bulks. That process may oxidize the iron, turning it into a darker metal.
So, lockpicks should stay as they are.

But there is a post asking for a way to give black items a white border or something like that, that makes dark items easier to see.
That would be better, since it won't be just for lockpicks.

Darcryed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

24 Dec 2008 at 17:15 - 26

Heh, I love how you guys make fun of me, even though I was trying to help.

I KNOW about ALT, and ; + space. Thanks to everyone for pointing it out. The thing is, sometimes you don't have the time to pick up everything, because you are trying to do a speed run, etc and it's perfectly possible you'll miss a lockpick that dropped on the ground.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xx Monkin xX

Just press Alt, and pick ALL your drops up, problem solved, You cant go running to Anet every time you find a flaw in yourself and need an urgent fix so you don't go running on ahead to the next group of baddies, honestly.

Am I running to Anet ? is this a QQ thread ? it's not, I only made a suggestion that, imo, could have helped players, including myself. I am not asking Anet to make a major change to lockpicks, like this guy here. All I want is a gold color for lp, so that I notice them when they drop.

Truth is, it wouldn't hurt anyone if they did change the color, but you guys assume that every player is as smart as you and makes sure that every item has been picked up. Unfortunately it's not the case. So please consider this minor change that would make life easier for everyone.

Enon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Taking a dip at Nundu Bay

24 Dec 2008 at 18:11 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcryed

Truth is, it wouldn't hurt anyone if they did change the color, but you guys assume that every player is as smart as you and makes sure that every item has been picked up.

Truth is, and I'm seriously NOT trying to be a bitch, you don't have to be smart to pick up a Lock Pick. As others stated, all you need to do is press Alt, take a quick look, loot the items you want and move on. I've never had any problems with it, nor did it slow me down...

Operative 14

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Arizona, USA

[OOP] Order of the Phoenix I

24 Dec 2008 at 21:39 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Expendable lockpicks, unlike reusable ones, are usually made of raw, cheap iron, like ninja throwing weapons, made in a cheap, quick process to make lots of them in bulks. That process may oxidize the iron, turning it into a darker metal.
So, lockpicks should stay as they are.

But there is a post asking for a way to give black items a white border or something like that, that makes dark items easier to see.
That would be better, since it won't be just for lockpicks.

I think he was talking about the color of the name (I.E. White, Blue, Purple, Gold, and Green), not the actual visible color of the lockpicks themselves.

I'd have to say /notsign to this idea. I don't think it's a dumb idea, just an unnecessary one. As someone above said, the reason why they are white is because they are common items. Their value is not determined by supply and demand, like the gold scroll trader, they are a fixed price from the merchant.

That being said, they don't really deserve a gold (rare) status. And really, I think it's best to just hold down alt and look around before you move on from an area anyway, or just keep tack of the drops in chat (which can be rather hard sometimes in a busy alliance and guild).

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

24 Dec 2008 at 21:42 - 29

Quote:

I KNOW about ALT, and ; + space. Thanks to everyone for pointing it out. The thing is, sometimes you don't have the time to pick up everything, because you are trying to do a speed run, etc and it's perfectly possible you'll miss a lockpick that dropped on the ground.

I don't know what speed runs you do, but I don't think taking 2 seconds to hold alt and scan the drops is going to affect your run.

Quote:

Truth is, it wouldn't hurt anyone if they did change the color, but you guys assume that every player is as smart as you and makes sure that every item has been picked up. Unfortunately it's not the case. So please consider this minor change that would make life easier for everyone.

You mean you have to be smart to look at drops? If someone is so stupid that they cannot handle looking at items on the ground, they have bigger issues in life than Guild Wars.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

24 Dec 2008 at 23:47 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Expendable lockpicks, unlike reusable ones, are usually made of raw, cheap iron, like ninja throwing weapons, made in a cheap, quick process to make lots of them in bulks. That process may oxidize the iron, turning it into a darker metal.

I want whatever it is that you're on.

Native iron is dark in color. Oxidized iron is lighter in color than native iron. The "process" of forming metal does not directly contribute to oxidation. Simply sitting around causes oxidation. Handling of the metal prohibits oxidation by continually removing oxidized iron from the surface of the metal.

In other words: shut up.

Destion Dreadvale

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

Secret Lair of the Snowmen

Devilish Cry

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25 Dec 2008 at 00:18 - 31

Guys, you don't have to be RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing assholes about it.
It was a good idea, and I think it would make sense. I don't think that auto-inventory would be a good idea, because maybe you don't to pick something up? And it also gives you the satisfaction that you have something good. Changing the color isn't that big a deal, you don't have to get all worked up about it. So what if you use alt and ; and whatnot. Doesn't stop you from doing that. If you're going to post, at least be constructive and not "omgomgomgomgomg lol ur rtarded go die. what a newfag." Seriously. Grow up.
/signed

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

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25 Dec 2008 at 00:46 - 32

Rofl oh wow at the faggotry. This idea wouldn't break the game. The only thing it could POSSIBLY do is make things easier. And yet you all go nuts about it and start insulting the OP? Manners please.

To Op: Nice idea, I'd like it.

Destion Dreadvale

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

Secret Lair of the Snowmen

Devilish Cry

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25 Dec 2008 at 00:52 - 33

Exactly! That what I'm saying.

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

25 Dec 2008 at 01:39 - 34

What makes lockpicks more special than other items? If Anet implements this, then you'll just have more and more threads with people asking for them to change Item 'X' to color 'Y' and then all of a sudden instead of having a nice system of white, blue, purple, gold, green you have every fcking color ever invented.

/notsigned obviously

Enon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Taking a dip at Nundu Bay

25 Dec 2008 at 10:54 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

This idea wouldn't break the game. The only thing it could POSSIBLY do is make things easier.

The OP is trying to simplify something that already is more than simple. There's just no need for such a feature...

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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25 Dec 2008 at 11:47 - 36

So i heard guildwars is about leet alt-holding skills and wasting time examining battlefield. In other words, wow at pointless opposition to this idea.

/signed. When storning throught PvE, there is usually not enough time or incentive to look at every single drop & I have seen pretty much every single "l33t" person i played with to forget lockpick.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

25 Dec 2008 at 12:30 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

You mean you have to be smart to look at drops? If someone is so stupid that they cannot handle looking at items on the ground, they have bigger issues in life than Guild Wars.

This has nothing to do with stupidity. Suggestions = Improvements on the game. This is going to improve the game by reducing the chance that you may miss a vital drop while quickly running through areas.
Why attack people? If this suggestion doesnt affect/apply to you then don't post. Pretty simple.

Quote:

Originally Posted by [DE]

What makes lockpicks more special than other items? If Anet implements this, then you'll just have more and more threads with people asking for them to change Item 'X' to color 'Y' and then all of a sudden instead of having a nice system of white, blue, purple, gold, green you have every fcking color ever invented.

/notsigned obviously

Uh what? Lockpicks being upgraded to gold won't cause a chain effect. An item worth over 1plat is a rare item in my opinion. This has nothing to do with any other item.

You notsigned a suggestion because you are afraid of a total item system revamp? Yeah I'm sure Anet is in the mood to do that.

Enon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Taking a dip at Nundu Bay

25 Dec 2008 at 13:12 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

This has nothing to do with stupidity. Suggestions = Improvements on the game. This is going to improve the game by reducing the chance that you may miss a vital drop while quickly running through areas.

Let's assume Lock Picks are given a Gold color. You would still have to 'look' for the Gold color, right? Are you sure that isn't too tiring for you? Maybe all drops should just pop in your inventory instead, just so you don't lose that silly 10g lying on the floor behind you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocobo1

An item worth over 1plat is a rare item in my opinion.

You do realize rare means uncommon, right? I wouldn't really call an item rare if you can buy it at any random Merchant...

JupiterStarWarrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2008

Oklahoma City

Noble Order Of Valiant Angels

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25 Dec 2008 at 13:44 - 39

I agree with the majority of people here. Lockpicks are common items; they can be obtained from a merchant. Players also trade them with other players for gold. Also, it's really not that hard to get in the habit of picking up all items, even if they are white. Most of my income is from obtaining whites and selling off to Merchant. I have seen people who just leaves white drops lying around when they can become gold at the nearest friendly neighborhood Merchant.

Sorry. I can't agree to something as this. Someone said that if this idea was to be implemented, then there would be other players asking for such-and-such item be changed to such-and-such color. Not a good idea, in my opinion.

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

25 Dec 2008 at 13:46 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enon

Let's assume Lock Picks are given a Gold color. You would still have to 'look' for the Gold color, right? Are you sure that isn't too tiring for you? Maybe all drops should just pop in your inventory instead, just so you don't lose that silly 10g lying on the floor behind you.

You do realize rare means uncommon, right? I wouldn't really call an item rare if you can buy it at any random Merchant...

Yeah sorry for factoring in the value there might have gone too far ahead of you.

Also wtf? When have you ever missed a gold? Cause god knows when I'm killing 30 monsters at once I always look for the golds. The whites are an afterthought, nothing more. No one said anything about this being tiring, just the preventation of a careless mistake, although I do enjoy jumping to assumptions. Like the assumpion that you are just another nay sayer to everything suggested.

The fact is that I don't even really care if this got implemented. If it did great, if not I'll live. There are no actual negative effects of this being put in the game so you try take cheapshots about peoples intelligence. I'm only posting to actually try figure out why people would say no to this. Assuming Anet came up and said they could do it with no problems at all why would you say no?