This is my first MMORPG, and to tell you the truth it's pretty disappointing.
No, not the game...the community. I like to mix it up between PvE and PvP. I like PvE because I can do it mostly solo, but PvP comes as more of a challenge for me.
Recently I've been doing the snowball arena and some Random Arena PvP. I play a monk on both sides and no matter what I do, people are arrogant and disrespectful to everyone. If someone on my team dies in PvP, it's my fault. If our team loses the snowball arena, everyone cusses at eachother.
Now I have no basis for comparison, but is this the way all MMORPGs are?
GW Community
Akeido
shoyon456
People get this way around snowball arenas, there are many ppl in there trying to grind for the gamer title who know what they're doing. Then there are ppl on their team that may be new at snowball arena who they feel caused the team to loose.
You don't get anything for loosing in snowball arena, no gamer pts, no cc shards. It's not surprising they get upset. I know I did when I was trying to get to r3 gamer and Id have ppl who would attack someone on the other team who wasnt holding a present.
Point is, most ppl in snowball arena aren't there to have fun, they're there to win.
You don't get anything for loosing in snowball arena, no gamer pts, no cc shards. It's not surprising they get upset. I know I did when I was trying to get to r3 gamer and Id have ppl who would attack someone on the other team who wasnt holding a present.
Point is, most ppl in snowball arena aren't there to have fun, they're there to win.
Tyla
I've got the perfect answer! Activate a defensive prayer! Oh wait, that's RuneScape.
moriz
this is the way most popular online games are. you can't ever escape rude people.
Akeido
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this is the way most popular online games are. you can't ever escape rude people.
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Coulda figured, i guess.
Abedeus
I see you probably have never played online games at all. Otherwise you would've know everything about jerks of my type.
It's much worse in WoW or CSS, though.
It's much worse in WoW or CSS, though.
lemming
People are dumb.
This goes for every game out there.
This goes for every game out there.
bhavv
Ignore people who take random PVP seriously and try laughing at them. Its funny when people think they know everything, but they are playing in random teams and expecting to win all the time.
IlikeGW
It's a frustrating game for PVP. Either you're going to win or you're going to lose embarrassingly most of the time. There's almost never middle ground because you go in with your skills stuck on what they are and know what's going to happen in about 10 seconds when you see the other team. If the build situation is bad this means you pretty much have to try for nothing while the other team still dances on your corpses.
Oddly enough they even kept the frustration in snowball arena by imbalancing the sides.
It's definitely frustrating to get your ass kicked by a good dwayna team knowing what a huge advantage they have. (Not saying they're not beatable, just exactly what I said, a GOOD dwayna team.)
Oddly enough they even kept the frustration in snowball arena by imbalancing the sides.
It's definitely frustrating to get your ass kicked by a good dwayna team knowing what a huge advantage they have. (Not saying they're not beatable, just exactly what I said, a GOOD dwayna team.)
crazybanshee
People will be childish. I've played other MMORPG's and that's just the way it is. Generally speaking, 80% of the community is nice and supportive. However, the ones you notice most are the obnoxious asshats that curse and demean everyone. Just be thankful that you don't have to deal with those people in real life.
Pony Slaystation
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I generally hate most of the Guild Wars community, which is why I try to avoid PvP, and only do PvE either solo, or with my friends.
For example, people absolutely FREAK OUT in Alliance Battles when you are losing by more than 25 points. People take the game too seriously, and because of that, they don't realize how rude they are.
I generally hate most of the Guild Wars community, which is why I try to avoid PvP, and only do PvE either solo, or with my friends.
For example, people absolutely FREAK OUT in Alliance Battles when you are losing by more than 25 points. People take the game too seriously, and because of that, they don't realize how rude they are.
P A L P H R A M O N D
It also looks like you just started GW, in which case you would have been starting over three years into the game's existence. In that time, the people who made the game fun when it first came out have since a) stopped playing, or b) associate only with their guild.
The community has changed a lot in the past three years.
And besides, no matter what game you play, if someone dies, its always the monk / druid / shaman's fault :-)
The community has changed a lot in the past three years.
And besides, no matter what game you play, if someone dies, its always the monk / druid / shaman's fault :-)
Konig Des Todes
Average Nice Person+Anonymity=Total Douche
Sad but true. This is why I avoid PvP, 90% of them are douches. PvE, only ~75% is, and I can solo that.
Sad but true. This is why I avoid PvP, 90% of them are douches. PvE, only ~75% is, and I can solo that.
Malice Black
GW has gone downhill over the years, but that happens with every online game. It's easy enough to avoid the kids and ego driven idiots. Find a good active guild, and build yourself a good friends list with varying degrees of 'skill'.
jiggles
i play this game to win at shit. Not have nubs who think theyre the one try and prove me wrong. I goto the snowball arena hoping that people have a slight idea of how to play so that way i can carry the team. Not people take presents to the wrong avatar and then call everyone else a noob.
And in pvp monks are the most demanding proffession. It is your JOB to keep people alive, it says so in the manual. Just going to add, people who overextend can be ignored. As will their general ignorance regarding doing something wrong. Dont be shit at something and then expect everyone to give you an easy ride. Just reading your post its rather obvious this is your first mmorpg else you wouldve stfu and stop crying by now.
If your expecting everyone to be really nice and wondering why people are so mean, you should go away.
And in pvp monks are the most demanding proffession. It is your JOB to keep people alive, it says so in the manual. Just going to add, people who overextend can be ignored. As will their general ignorance regarding doing something wrong. Dont be shit at something and then expect everyone to give you an easy ride. Just reading your post its rather obvious this is your first mmorpg else you wouldve stfu and stop crying by now.
If your expecting everyone to be really nice and wondering why people are so mean, you should go away.
isamu kurosawa
Welcome to the internet.
People suck.
People suck.
Ghost Dog
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i play this game to win at shit. Not have nubs who think theyre the one try and prove me wrong. I goto the snowball arena hoping that people have a slight idea of how to play so that way i can carry the team. Not people take presents to the wrong avatar and then call everyone else a noob.
And in pvp monks are the most demanding proffession. It is your JOB to keep people alive, it says so in the manual. Just going to add, people who overextend can be ignored. As will their general ignorance regarding doing something wrong. Dont be shit at something and then expect everyone to give you an easy ride. Just reading your post its rather obvious this is your first mmorpg else you wouldve stfu and stop crying by now. If your expecting everyone to be really nice and wondering why people are so mean, you should go away. |
@OP:This is the type of person to expect, anything better is reason to celebrate.I laugh when I play arenas late late at night because all of these kids (I could care less about their numerical age) are asleep and it's actually fun.
So when people like this do try to rage you just remember, it's past their naptime and their getting fussy for their blankie.Oh and they can't act tough in real life so they do it here, simple as that.
Malice Black
People raging at you in the snowball arenas is the best bit. Go for the LOLs and you'll have a blast.
I did it last year in full FoW style. Decked out FoW, nice expensive items etc then played like a 1st day nub. The amount of abusive was tear jerking
I did it last year in full FoW style. Decked out FoW, nice expensive items etc then played like a 1st day nub. The amount of abusive was tear jerking
jiggles
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So people aren't allowed to learn then, and I'm sure you hopped into the arenas first time and aced it no doubt.
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Wild Karrde
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i play this game to win at shit. Not have nubs who think theyre the one try and prove me wrong. I goto the snowball arena hoping that people have a slight idea of how to play so that way i can carry the team. Not people take presents to the wrong avatar and then call everyone else a noob.
And in pvp monks are the most demanding proffession. It is your JOB to keep people alive, it says so in the manual. Just going to add, people who overextend can be ignored. As will their general ignorance regarding doing something wrong. Dont be shit at something and then expect everyone to give you an easy ride. Just reading your post its rather obvious this is your first mmorpg else you wouldve stfu and stop crying by now. If your expecting everyone to be really nice and wondering why people are so mean, you should go away. |
kagenuma
just dont take ppl too serious, there will always be someone screaming "noob" and making you to feel like the worse player... if you let them. Ill call you idiot if you refuse to learn or accept own mistakes,thinking you know all. But as one wise person said: next time you get angry on someone, dont call them noob but neophyte and check their reaction o_O
Thou i agree with the main problem of pvp community - everyone expect others to be the top players, not thinking..hey..maybe...but really maybe...this guy is here for the first time..lets give him a hand.
..and really, gw has the less rude ppl out of all online games ive tried so far.Funny aint it? cheers~
Thou i agree with the main problem of pvp community - everyone expect others to be the top players, not thinking..hey..maybe...but really maybe...this guy is here for the first time..lets give him a hand.
..and really, gw has the less rude ppl out of all online games ive tried so far.Funny aint it? cheers~
Codin The Great
Online games in pvp are ment for people to challenge each other. So mainly everyone is competitive when it comes to pvp.
pumpkin pie
Its not only the GW community, its how human works, blaming other people is alway the first priority in human nature because its the thing that most poeple see first, other's fault, we'd be lucky if its the other way around.
Advise: all chat windows off if you want to RA.
Advise: all chat windows off if you want to RA.
Clarissa F
That's what's frustrating about MMO's: they're an open community. Like in the real world, you have to deal with all sorts of people. Join a good guild. They will be your friends and coworkers in the game. You meet some people who are dicks, and some who will be there for you in a pinch. Stick with your guild and friend's list, and keep the team chat off when you are doing RA. You'll have more fun.
Or just be a mesmer. We love making others cry, and look sexy doing it. Being a good Monk in PvP is no easy task. Those who are, you'll know by name. I'd just rather cast hexes, interrupts, and sigs, and make the other side look like Jerry's kids. That's fun to watch.
Oh, and I nearly pissed myself reading that, Forgotten200! Really, Ghost Dawg, yo be takin' dis sheezy too cereal, yo.
Or just be a mesmer. We love making others cry, and look sexy doing it. Being a good Monk in PvP is no easy task. Those who are, you'll know by name. I'd just rather cast hexes, interrupts, and sigs, and make the other side look like Jerry's kids. That's fun to watch.
Oh, and I nearly pissed myself reading that, Forgotten200! Really, Ghost Dawg, yo be takin' dis sheezy too cereal, yo.
Eddie Frenzy Spam
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Ignore people who take random PVP seriously and try laughing at them. Its funny when people think they know everything, but they are playing in random teams and expecting to win all the time.
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The fact that the teams are random is no excuse to be bad. People want to win games, no matter what they play (HA, GvG, TA, RA, hell, even PvE) because losing is not fun, so the arguement "i'm having fun, I don't care if i'm bad" doesn't really apply either. Being good is not mutally exclusive with having fun.
When you're not a good player, yeah, I would never take advice from anyone in RA but laughing at them I would not do because you cannot be certain if they are actually giving good advice or not. If you're a good player on the other hand, laugh away at people giving bad advice, some of the stuff you hear is hilarious. RA actually infuriates me. The amount of truely HORRIBLE players there is staggering and the amount of utter retards is phenomenal. It's different if you just out and out flame someone but when you can give reasons WHY someone is bad and exactly WHAT it is that they are doing wrong and they just reply with "ur a nub cuz u think im baed" makes me want to /FACEPALM and it just gets worse and worse.
Getting back to the original point now. Chances are if you're new to the game then yes you probably ARE bad and it probably IS your fault that your team is dying a lot but because you're new that is to be expected. Even if you do play to 100% efficiency sometimes you will STILL lose because the other team just might have the tools to counter you properly and some people will still flame you. That is to be expected as well, as like I said earlier, there is A LOT of retards.
As a general rule because GW PvP is so competitive and people do want to win, there is a lot of flaming etc etc even if you're good but if you're getting consistently flamed and I mean quite a lot then yeah, you're probably doing something wrong. You just gotta grow a thick skin, learn the game quick and ignore the retards BUT DO NOT ignore advice. You get a lot of bad players that stay bad because they think they are pro and do not listen to good advice.
Eddie Frenzy Spam
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i play this game to win at shit. Not have nubs who think theyre the one try and prove me wrong. I goto the snowball arena hoping that people have a slight idea of how to play so that way i can carry the team. Not people take presents to the wrong avatar and then call everyone else a noob.
And in pvp monks are the most demanding proffession. It is your JOB to keep people alive, it says so in the manual. Just going to add, people who overextend can be ignored. As will their general ignorance regarding doing something wrong. Dont be shit at something and then expect everyone to give you an easy ride. Just reading your post its rather obvious this is your first mmorpg else you wouldve stfu and stop crying by now. If your expecting everyone to be really nice and wondering why people are so mean, you should go away. |
I think some people are misinterpreting it though. He's not saying if you're new to the game you should go in and be instantly pro, what he's saying is, expect to be flamed for being bad because people want to win and people expect others to know WTF 2 DO.
Just you know, don't QQ about how other people are flaming you because you're monking and it's your first time playing and everyone on your team is dead. It is to be expected. It's hardly a surprise.
Although I think he could have written it a bit better =P
Kattar
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Find a guild that isn't full of jerks and stick with them. Don't talk to anyone else unless you absolutely have to. And if you have to, be prepared for idiocy. Either the people will be nice, and you'll have put your guard up for no reason with no harm done, or it'll be deserved and you'll remember why you put your guard up in the first place.
This also works in real life.
GhostKairi
Real Life > Guild Wars
Scythe O F Glory
You'll get used to it. And if they blame you for their loss, chances are they're bad themselves. Just join a guild that's friendly and stuff and you'll start to like the community.
GhostKairi
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You'll get used to it. And if they blame you for their loss, chances are they're bad themselves. Just join a guild that's friendly and stuff and you'll start to like the community.
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-Sonata-
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People don't want to lose due to inexperience, they expect people to know how to play the game - and those in their group who are still learning are a generally unwelcome penalty to their team performance.
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People playing the competitive side of PvP, who desire a team that doesn't include players who are "Still Learning", shouldn't be in Random Arena's to begin with where the OP stated he/she was in. It's where the bulk of those "who are still learning" are at and those who stake claims of knowing this game inside-out should be well aware of the experience levels they will encounter in Random Arena's. Noone can play the oblivious card on this.
Getting flamed and harrassed for intentionally greifing a team in RA is one thing. Getting flamed and harrassed for trying to learn PvP, in the Arena's designed for players to do just that - Learn - is another. It happens far too often and most often from highly experienced players who should know full well there are players with little, or zero experience, in Guild Wars PvP.
So...I'll flip the coin...highly experienced players are an unwelcomed penalty to the new player who is trying to learn PvP when it's in the first learning stage of competitive PvP in Guild Wars; Random Arena's.
@Akeido; Don't take it personally. We all started somewhere. If you enjoy the competition, keep at it. Whether it's your fault, or not, none of us learn without taking the defeats with the wins. It's how we all become better at it.
kagenuma
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You're right.
So...I'll flip the coin...highly experienced players are an unwelcomed penalty to the new player who is trying to learn PvP when it's in the first learning stage of competitive PvP in Guild Wars; Random Arena's. |
oh and btw, i know a high pvp player who calls other noobs when it comes to ra,ta,ha ect. But when he switches to pve...he sucks as hell and is called noob. Its a circle and you cant be awesome at everything
baltazar knight
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daze
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i play this game to win at shit. Not have nubs who think theyre the one try and prove me wrong. I goto the snowball arena hoping that people have a slight idea of how to play so that way i can carry the team. Not people take presents to the wrong avatar and then call everyone else a noob.
And in pvp monks are the most demanding proffession. It is your JOB to keep people alive, it says so in the manual. Just going to add, people who overextend can be ignored. As will their general ignorance regarding doing something wrong. Dont be shit at something and then expect everyone to give you an easy ride. Just reading your post its rather obvious this is your first mmorpg else you wouldve stfu and stop crying by now. If your expecting everyone to be really nice and wondering why people are so mean, you should go away. |
This is a perfect example of 75% of Pve and 90% of PvP like Azazel mentioned.. The best thing to do is bow to their mighty omnipotence and just reply with "ROFL Srz Bsnz".. I myself like to play the game for fun. Hence it is a GAME so it should be FUN. Now granted, i have gotten very good at the game over the years so i am not in the same shoes as you, but i also understand that different people are different. If you want to enjoy the game i would suggest finding a circle of friends (you can add me if you want and id be happy to assist). Mostly just brush off the asshats like Jiggles because they have turned GW into a Job not a game. He obviously jumped right into GW as an "elite 1337" player while everybody else started off as a Newbie.
Oh yeah my first character was a Mo/R who wielded a bow. and this was my build most of the way through prophecys, i didn't change my build until i got to Droks.
[read the wind][hunters shot][power shot][healing breeze][orison of healing][charm animal][comfort animal][resurrect]
nextime you run in to someone like Jiggles or any other douchebag just remember that this is most likely what he looks like.
IXI Nine IXI
Well I hate to be the one to tell you this, but the code of all MMORPGS is blame the healers.
But don't give up yet. If you are new and are jumping into Pvp then losses are to be expected. Go search for pvxwiki online and get some builds off there. They aren't always the best, but if you are new than they are most likely better than what you are using. Read some monk guides on Team Quitter or here. Learn what an aegis set is.
Eventually you will get better, then you will be farming glad points like crazy because part of the reason healers get blamed is because they are so important. And in RA when we see a monk we (halfway competent players) say "Yay!!! Here come some Glad points!!!
Or just be like me and don't monk in pvp
BUT
If you quit can I have your account?
But don't give up yet. If you are new and are jumping into Pvp then losses are to be expected. Go search for pvxwiki online and get some builds off there. They aren't always the best, but if you are new than they are most likely better than what you are using. Read some monk guides on Team Quitter or here. Learn what an aegis set is.
Eventually you will get better, then you will be farming glad points like crazy because part of the reason healers get blamed is because they are so important. And in RA when we see a monk we (halfway competent players) say "Yay!!! Here come some Glad points!!!
Or just be like me and don't monk in pvp
BUT
If you quit can I have your account?
Lord Sojar
The Guild Wars community has its moments of greatness and moments of foul and wickedness. Back when I hosted events, I saw the bright side of it. Unfortunately, the foul side shows more often than the latter.
Wish Swiftdeath
Well i would say that you should learn to take your punishment like a man. I PvP'ed a bit as a war, i was horrible - i couldn't kill anything when i started. Gradually i got better and started playing other professions.
Then i decided that i wanted to become a good monk because that's what people wanted the most. I was bad, people flamed me, they told me i had bad technique, whatever. I kept joining teams and trying to improve, asking better players (you can usually see) for advice or to tell you what you're doing wrong etc.
That's how i learned to play properly, sometimes i'll fool around in AB with guildies and friends running bad builds for fun but 90% of the time when i play properly people compliment me on my monking and are very friendly. Of course there are some idiot's that will call you bad while standing in Savannah heat while a dervish is pounding on them etc but you know who those people are so just tell them what they're doing wrong or /ignore.
Sorry for the rambling but what i'm really trying to say is just practice, don't be scared to ask for CONSTRUCTIVE advice and ignore those giving you bad advice or just insulting you.
Also i find quite often that if somebody is telling you that you're bad or whatever, if you ask them what you did wrong - alot of the time the guy will actually help you if you seem to genuinely want to learn.
In hindsight i am glad that people raged at me and told me to gtfo because i was terrible, it gave me incentive to practice and get better rather than think i was the best monk in the game (as 90% of all beginner's do).
So just work hard and eventually you'll be the one telling people what to do.
Then i decided that i wanted to become a good monk because that's what people wanted the most. I was bad, people flamed me, they told me i had bad technique, whatever. I kept joining teams and trying to improve, asking better players (you can usually see) for advice or to tell you what you're doing wrong etc.
That's how i learned to play properly, sometimes i'll fool around in AB with guildies and friends running bad builds for fun but 90% of the time when i play properly people compliment me on my monking and are very friendly. Of course there are some idiot's that will call you bad while standing in Savannah heat while a dervish is pounding on them etc but you know who those people are so just tell them what they're doing wrong or /ignore.
Sorry for the rambling but what i'm really trying to say is just practice, don't be scared to ask for CONSTRUCTIVE advice and ignore those giving you bad advice or just insulting you.
Also i find quite often that if somebody is telling you that you're bad or whatever, if you ask them what you did wrong - alot of the time the guy will actually help you if you seem to genuinely want to learn.
In hindsight i am glad that people raged at me and told me to gtfo because i was terrible, it gave me incentive to practice and get better rather than think i was the best monk in the game (as 90% of all beginner's do).
So just work hard and eventually you'll be the one telling people what to do.
Unreal Havoc
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Also, with that attitude, it's people with your way of thinking that ruin the learning experience of those trying to get into PvP, whether it's for the first time ever, or if they're trying to learn a new proffession.
I think the elitists forget they were once newbs once also, it shows when they use their elitism to look down on newbs just for trying to learn how to play.
If you can't handle the fact, in a gametype where your team is picked randomly, that not everyone may be of your skill level then I suggest either stop playing that gametype or stop playing PvP altogether.
Avarre
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I think the elitists forget they were once newbs once also, it shows when they use their elitism to look down on newbs just for trying to learn how to play.
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If a new guy is following or asking for directions and still getting beat on for no practical reason then that's different altogether (though still understandable, to me. It's not their responsibility to play mentor).
Abedeus
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I don't speak for everyone, but when I was new and got into a group I sat down, shut up, and listened to directions. In arenas like snowball you try to make sure the group knows what to do. If a new player chooses to ignore directions, then clearly they're not 'trying to learn how to play', and are causing trouble for the group.
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1. You don't bug people.
2. They don't get interrupted/distracted.
3. They get more awesomeness to show.
4. You all win more.
5. Morals are up 300%
6. You train hard and become The Jedi Knight.... Oh, wait. But you get the idea.