New palm strike at 1/8/09 with 13 critical strike:
Is this still viable to use with the old Palm strike build?
Palm strike nerfed 1/8/09. Still viable?
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Edit: Complete opinion.
Unneeded nerf.
It's still as spammable just slightly less damaging but it lasts the turnaround so the cripples not that big of a problem is you're training or trying to keep a target snared (they can't block you xD)
Nothing ever stopped you from dshoting it ruining the entire build. And in HB all you have to do is not fail. Monking there (never played sin and I never saw a need for a nerf) I kite in circles around the shrine and when they reach me they stop to cast Palm and as they finish I mend touch out of their range as they catch up.
That alone puts most sins to rest since they 1234 and will not KD you. While higher ranked ones realize, doi I have another dual attack to KD. Although now it's more manageable and if it's really an issue kite between heroes or around your one hero or flag one around with you as you do this.
In GvG I found d-shoting both palms efficiently shut down most the pressure.
Now by nerfing this you did what to the rest of the smites and such? Nothing, nothing has changed nothing will. Even if you remove the cripple the rest of the bar is still quite efficient so maybe its not palm strike, maybe its the synergy in the bar, maybe something needs to be change to fix a huge chain of pressure. I always figured dual attacks were more powerful because they had to be lead up to and when you skip steps that's always been when problems arise. When skills like Falling Lotus Strike and Falling Spider skipped a step none the less only if the target was KDed and under enough pressure and instantly lead into another deadly KD like Horns of the Ox or Blades of Steel (yes comparing Backbreaker to Palms now) and everyone is always so quick to blame the elite. Maybe Shadow Prison wasn't so mindbogglingly overpowered when the chain was addressed aswell? When you can't start off with Black Lotus as an offhand and so on.
I see no further change needed, reducing the armor ignoring damage is pleasant enough. Maybe people need to stop thinking the only way to beat big damage is to run bigger damage and ditch some heroes for tactics, hmm naw those days are dead :P
No ones going to do anything but flame me as they disagree but there's 2 cents.
P.S. Tbh though I'd have preferred a 8-10 recharge and the previous effects and duration remain but a nerf is a nerf none the less ^^ at least it's still playable, that's pretty rare post-nerf eh?
Unneeded nerf.
It's still as spammable just slightly less damaging but it lasts the turnaround so the cripples not that big of a problem is you're training or trying to keep a target snared (they can't block you xD)
Nothing ever stopped you from dshoting it ruining the entire build. And in HB all you have to do is not fail. Monking there (never played sin and I never saw a need for a nerf) I kite in circles around the shrine and when they reach me they stop to cast Palm and as they finish I mend touch out of their range as they catch up.
That alone puts most sins to rest since they 1234 and will not KD you. While higher ranked ones realize, doi I have another dual attack to KD. Although now it's more manageable and if it's really an issue kite between heroes or around your one hero or flag one around with you as you do this.
In GvG I found d-shoting both palms efficiently shut down most the pressure.
Now by nerfing this you did what to the rest of the smites and such? Nothing, nothing has changed nothing will. Even if you remove the cripple the rest of the bar is still quite efficient so maybe its not palm strike, maybe its the synergy in the bar, maybe something needs to be change to fix a huge chain of pressure. I always figured dual attacks were more powerful because they had to be lead up to and when you skip steps that's always been when problems arise. When skills like Falling Lotus Strike and Falling Spider skipped a step none the less only if the target was KDed and under enough pressure and instantly lead into another deadly KD like Horns of the Ox or Blades of Steel (yes comparing Backbreaker to Palms now) and everyone is always so quick to blame the elite. Maybe Shadow Prison wasn't so mindbogglingly overpowered when the chain was addressed aswell? When you can't start off with Black Lotus as an offhand and so on.
I see no further change needed, reducing the armor ignoring damage is pleasant enough. Maybe people need to stop thinking the only way to beat big damage is to run bigger damage and ditch some heroes for tactics, hmm naw those days are dead :P
No ones going to do anything but flame me as they disagree but there's 2 cents.
P.S. Tbh though I'd have preferred a 8-10 recharge and the previous effects and duration remain but a nerf is a nerf none the less ^^ at least it's still playable, that's pretty rare post-nerf eh?
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the PS combo did NOT need a nerf. honestly, compared to all the other sin combos that have been in and out of meta because of skill nerfs, this combo is weak. just take a second to think, most of the old sin combos killed you while you were on the floor still. this combo doesnt come close unless you have some sort of spike support. the problem was NEVER palm strike, in HA its hero AI and the spammability of the skills they have. If you were a full heal monk, no support of any kind with you, you would still die to the sin no doubt about it, but it would take him longer that any other meta sin combo yet.
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Seriously it's recharge for the damage now is fine, not the best dps for an elite skill x.x cripple is what's saving this skill. It's also highly predictable and as stated dshot eats this...
