my understanding is warrior is better for PVE while assassin is better for PVP ..
I have a LV 20 warrior in factions ..and i deal crap for damage ..was wondering if i should go with an assassin instead ..
I am torn ..should i go with warrior or an assassin ..
fatelord
Eragon Zarroc
pvp is a matter of the type of pvp being played. they haven't quite replaced wars with sins in GvG. pve wise, sins are the overall farm class (even with the buff, nerf, nerf of SF). as a warrior though, i feel that warriors are a more solid class for vanqs, missions, etc. use a dragon slash/save yourself build the has great dmg output (60 dmg d-slashes and 70 dmg headbutts every few secs) while at the same time keeping 100 armor on nearby party 80% of the time.
warrior running
Try new war builds cause my warrior does 90+Damage
fatelord
my build is basically this
for great justice
quivering blade
sever artery
gash
final thrust
endure pain
purge conditions
resurrection chant
for great justice
quivering blade
sever artery
gash
final thrust
endure pain
purge conditions
resurrection chant
Covah
fatelord
If i take out endure pain i will be dying every three seconds the enemies at the kaining center do obscene damage ...
Axes might be a better idea untill i get dragon slash i guess ..
Axes might be a better idea untill i get dragon slash i guess ..
Cebe
How do you think other Warriors manage to not rely on Endure Pain?
Check your armour first. Are you using Superior Runes? If Yes...remove them and use Minor Runes instead, since Superiors cause you to lose massive chunks of health for a tiny attribute gain. Also...is your armour the max 80AL and are you using suitable insignia?
Check your weapons second. Do they have +30HP modifiers? Is your shield a max AL16 shield? Do you meet the shield's requirement? Does the shield have a +30HP modifier?
With all these things you could easily have your armour level over 96, and your Health well over 600. This is more than adequate and your monks should be able to keep you alive quite easily. If not, it's time to check your monk's builds (assuming you're using Hero monks).
On the subject of Axes; you can get [[Triple Chop] very early on in Cantha, which is a very decent elite until you can get access to others later on in the game.
Check your armour first. Are you using Superior Runes? If Yes...remove them and use Minor Runes instead, since Superiors cause you to lose massive chunks of health for a tiny attribute gain. Also...is your armour the max 80AL and are you using suitable insignia?
Check your weapons second. Do they have +30HP modifiers? Is your shield a max AL16 shield? Do you meet the shield's requirement? Does the shield have a +30HP modifier?
With all these things you could easily have your armour level over 96, and your Health well over 600. This is more than adequate and your monks should be able to keep you alive quite easily. If not, it's time to check your monk's builds (assuming you're using Hero monks).
On the subject of Axes; you can get [[Triple Chop] very early on in Cantha, which is a very decent elite until you can get access to others later on in the game.
The Red Messenger
warrior is better for beginners i think. but sin is much more powerful with the right build.
crit scythe > pve
shadowform > many other farm builds
they both are very viable in pvp even though gvg doesnt have as much love for sins as they do warriors
so, until they sell enough copies of factions again and nerf shadowform again, i would say go sin.
crit scythe > pve
shadowform > many other farm builds
they both are very viable in pvp even though gvg doesnt have as much love for sins as they do warriors
so, until they sell enough copies of factions again and nerf shadowform again, i would say go sin.
snaek
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my understanding is warrior is better for PVE while assassin is better for PVP ..
other way around
fatelord
Well if everyone in this site shouts at u if u even utter the word tank ..that kinda makes the warrior a moot doesn't it ?
This game's Aggro system doesn't support a tank like FFXI for example so the real goa lis to kill things asap ...thus making an assassin a win by default ..
This game's Aggro system doesn't support a tank like FFXI for example so the real goa lis to kill things asap ...thus making an assassin a win by default ..
kostolomac
Chose whose armor you like better , you can do pve fine as a warrior or sin.
bungusmaximus
Playing warrior will make you a better player in PvP, in PvE it doesn't matter much, just be sure to give your warrior an aggressive offensive build.
Few tips are:
-3 or 4 attack skills
-No healing prayers
-No defy/endure pain (Warriors LIKE pain ffs)
-IAS (flail, frenzy, though flail is nicer in PvE for obvious reason)
-No riposte, if you want defense, take "Watch Yourself!" or something like that because there's 7 other people that get + armor as well
-KILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILL!!!!!!
Heheh, 'Shock Trooper', I kinda like that description, every warrior should remember that and act like it.
Few tips are:
-3 or 4 attack skills
-No healing prayers
-No defy/endure pain (Warriors LIKE pain ffs)
-IAS (flail, frenzy, though flail is nicer in PvE for obvious reason)
-No riposte, if you want defense, take "Watch Yourself!" or something like that because there's 7 other people that get + armor as well
-KILLKILLKILLKILLKILLKILL!!!!!!
Heheh, 'Shock Trooper', I kinda like that description, every warrior should remember that and act like it.
Golganneth
You'll probably enjoy both of their playstyles, be it they are different in some ways. Warrior has a good 66 AL over Assassins. Even if Assassin's use Critical Agility you will still naturally have 41 AL over. Warriors are also incredible for a great combination of Utility/Damage whilst being able to hold a good amount of aggro.
If you choose an assassin, you'll most likely be killing things much faster but sacrificing some AL and utility, but can be very fast at getting things done quickly.
It all depends on what playstyle you'd rather - Go up and quickly kill things with a little less defence, or have a good balance between efficient killing and a good AL. Both will show gratifying results IMO.
If you choose an assassin, you'll most likely be killing things much faster but sacrificing some AL and utility, but can be very fast at getting things done quickly.
It all depends on what playstyle you'd rather - Go up and quickly kill things with a little less defence, or have a good balance between efficient killing and a good AL. Both will show gratifying results IMO.
faraaz
Considering the fact that Warriors are useless for anything other than PvE Missions and killing random mobs in "balanced-way" with physicals supports, I'd say go with Assassin.
Picuso
moriz
faraaz
Orly? Name one thing Warriors can do atm in PvE that hasn't been nerfed to oblivion, or is considerably slower than the optimal (team) build for it at the time.
Picuso
So [Shadow Form] is srs bsness
faraaz
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So [Shadow Form] is srs bsness
That didnt answer my question.
Picuso
Yeah, it did.
Because your "optimal" team is a CryWay/RojWay/ W/eWay with SF Tank. But there are zones where a Hundred Blades / Earthshaker warrior is needed/useful.
Anything we say, you will answer with "Cryway is faster". But that =/= Warriors useless.
Because your "optimal" team is a CryWay/RojWay/ W/eWay with SF Tank. But there are zones where a Hundred Blades / Earthshaker warrior is needed/useful.
Anything we say, you will answer with "Cryway is faster". But that =/= Warriors useless.
faraaz
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But there are zones where a Hundred Blades / Earthshaker warrior is needed/useful.
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Anything we say, you will answer with "Cryway is faster". But that =/= Warriors useless.
So you agree that warriors are slower, non-essential alternatives. Thank you for proving my point.
moriz
bungusmaximus
lol faraaz is baed, there's this thing called Dragon Slash/Save Yourselves that rapes PvE, assassins can ofc take Save Yourselves too. Earth shaker also rapes PvE, assassins can't do AoE knockdown. When a sin attack gets interrupted they can't finish their chain, while a warrior does decent damage auto-attacking. OK, sins can wield scythes, but so can warriors thanks to Warrior's Endurance.
Everything isn't crucial and can be replaced when I think with faraaz's mindset, but warrior's aren't inferior to sins in PvE in any way. faraaz
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lol faraaz is baed, there's this thing called Dragon Slash/Save Yourselves that rapes PvE, assassins can ofc take Save Yourselves too. Earth shaker also rapes PvE, assassins can't do AoE knockdown. When a sin attack gets interrupted they can't finish their chain, while a warrior does decent damage auto-attacking. OK, sins can wield scythes, but so can warriors thanks to Warrior's Endurance.
Everything isn't crucial and can be replaced when I think with faraaz's mindset, but warrior's aren't inferior to sins in PvE in any way. Sins have crit strikes which on average makes them do tons more damage than warriors with WE + Strength, there's threads about it on Guru somewhere, I'm too lazy to search 'em out, but I'm sure you have read the same ones I have.
As for Dragon Slash/SY!, if you absolutely need SY to beat GW, you are "baed"er than I ever could be.
And finally, here's the thing: I wasnt talking about BEATING the stupid game. A mesmer with a blank skill bar wanding crap can get through it easy. I was talking about the use of the profession outside of regular missions (which anything and anyone can do), such as farms, speed clears, running (I'd like to see a Warrior run Grotto through Icedome) etc etc etc.
Warriors used to be good at this before Anet went and buffed Shadow Form. Whether that was a good decision or a bad decision, really isnt the point. The point is that Warriors now are relegated to a (imo) non-essential role, whereas earlier they were the stars of any GW Party earlier (a fact borne out by the number of ppl who've been playing since 2005 who have made their Warrior's their mains).
Again, I am not discussing the competency of a Warrior in regular PvE missions. If you refer my earlier posts, you will see that I said they arent good for anything BUT that. So stop repeating what I said.
One can only hope that people actually read what I say instead of spamming 4chan BS at me.
Everything isn't crucial and can be replaced when I think with faraaz's mindset, but warrior's aren't inferior to sins in PvE in any way. Sins have crit strikes which on average makes them do tons more damage than warriors with WE + Strength, there's threads about it on Guru somewhere, I'm too lazy to search 'em out, but I'm sure you have read the same ones I have.
As for Dragon Slash/SY!, if you absolutely need SY to beat GW, you are "baed"er than I ever could be.
And finally, here's the thing: I wasnt talking about BEATING the stupid game. A mesmer with a blank skill bar wanding crap can get through it easy. I was talking about the use of the profession outside of regular missions (which anything and anyone can do), such as farms, speed clears, running (I'd like to see a Warrior run Grotto through Icedome) etc etc etc.
Warriors used to be good at this before Anet went and buffed Shadow Form. Whether that was a good decision or a bad decision, really isnt the point. The point is that Warriors now are relegated to a (imo) non-essential role, whereas earlier they were the stars of any GW Party earlier (a fact borne out by the number of ppl who've been playing since 2005 who have made their Warrior's their mains).
Again, I am not discussing the competency of a Warrior in regular PvE missions. If you refer my earlier posts, you will see that I said they arent good for anything BUT that. So stop repeating what I said.
One can only hope that people actually read what I say instead of spamming 4chan BS at me.
bungusmaximus
Oh excuse me, some ppl just play the frigging game lol. Of course sins are the king of farming and running, but GW is a team game, and when you ask me how strong a profession is in a team, I'd say that depends on the teambuild.
I never use SY by the way, SY bars are boring.
I never use SY by the way, SY bars are boring.
moriz
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Again, I am not discussing the competency of a Warrior in regular PvE missions. If you refer my earlier posts, you will see that I said they arent good for anything BUT that. So stop repeating what I said.
well then, feel free to tell every top 20 guild to stop running their warriors and run the oh-so-awesome assassin in their spot. or, you can try to win a monthly with assassin-based offense.
until you do, please stop spewing your shit.
Tyla
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Warriors haven't been nerfed if memory serves, they only got stronger - prove me wrong. Warriors' Endurance proves massive spammability of Power Attack and other energy attacks, notably the IAS attacks. Primal Rage allows a mix of IAS / IMS (only you'd want this at times when you've got people kiting on a regular basis). Dragon Slash allows huge DPS and spammability of adrenaline skills.
Assassins stand as the second choice in terms of when you need to have some massive condition removal, apart from that, Power Attack wins out. If you play Cryway or a Tank'n'Spank based team, they are also the optimum choice due to the flexibility of Shadow Form which also gives near-invincibility and keeps the mobility, while only taking 2-3 skill slots.
Dervs stand as the second choice in terms of when you have to have some massive hex removal, apart from that, Power Attack wins out. Owait, I repeated.
Now, stop bumming your Cryway and make a contribution to this discussion other than "LOL TAEK SIN CUZ CRYWAI WORIORZ SUK". Sure, Cryway is powerful, but there are other alternatives (surpising, isn't it?) for other types of playstyles! Just because you're too ignorant to explore or even respect the other forms of playstyles - if you're against certain characteristics because of X type of skill or Y tactic, argue against it if you wish, but don't bring up your "lol dat sux" or junk.
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Sins have crit strikes which on average makes them do tons more damage than warriors with WE + Strength, there's threads about it on Guru somewhere, I'm too lazy to search 'em out, but I'm sure you have read the same ones I have.
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i belive is the other way around u see more warriors in pvp than assassins (o well u see more now cough,[palm strike])also u might want to check pvxwiki or the warrior thread about builds.
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Dragon Slash is not huge DPS... Moebius DB does more single target damage and also has AoE damage...
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The only advantage warriors have is KD... Stonefist's Insignia and either Brawling Headbutt on a D-slash build or Earthshaker can keep a lot of stuff on the ground.
That's a pretty damn big advantage if you ask me. Jump on the [earth shaker] train and apply global shutdown... more team slots for offense. 
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*cough* i swear that said "killing random noobs" before. looks like i need glasses.
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Quote: Dragon Slash is not huge DPS... Moebius DB does more single target damage and also has AoE damage...
I think you're missing out key things here: Assassins are based on combinations, if you don't hit your Moebius Strike at the right moment either because you're killing too fast, and the occasional interrupt can harm your combination - utility is also a lesser on a 'Sin and hitting Moebius - DB will give you pretty much the same damage as D-Slash assuming the same time frame.
Quote: Interrupts? How often are PvE monsters smart enough to d-shit moebius strike? Who said anything about interrupts?
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Yes, I said Power Attack. My reason for this? Scythe, again, with Power Attack equates to some huge damage - sometimes stronger than that or a MS/DB, which even I would argue against its usefulness.
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SY! is not optimum on melee anyway; you're running around on the frontlines and might not always cover backline casters..
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