OK I'm thinking from switching form Sabway to Discordway, I read the thread about it and have a few questions
1. What does calling the target mean?
2. I read that you should just put Discord in place of the elites in Sabway, Is this true?
Thanks guys =)
Discordway Q.
talisk3
Masmar
the 4 man build is found here.
Calling your target means either holding control and double clicking/Hitting the spacebar, or holding control while using a skill on an enemy.
For example if you use flare on a skale while holding right control it would say this, "I'm using flare on Skale"
Calling your target means either holding control and double clicking/Hitting the spacebar, or holding control while using a skill on an enemy.
For example if you use flare on a skale while holding right control it would say this, "I'm using flare on Skale"
expugnare
I've been running a 2-man 6-hero Discord team for quite some time now, so I answer these questions from personal experience.
1) Calling a target in Discord is the act of making a single target the focus of your discord spike. The Discord caller should have YMLAD, Assassin's Promise and Finish Him. This ensures conditions (an extra one, to prevent removal) and a hex, allowing the insane damage of Discord to be unleashed.
2) No. The main focus of Discord builds is the ability to do massive damage with equally massive support. As such just about every discord hero has protection/healing moves that prove general group support. Couple this with massive minion use, a minion bomber, staple curses (enfeebling blood works wonders in HM) with massive party support will generally allow the clearing of difficult areas.
On a side note, depending on class, you might want to bring BR on your curses necro. For most (Ele and Necro don't apply) classes, it can be fairly difficult to continually use EoTN PvE moves. BR can help keep it up, while at the same time providing massive energy management.
Discord works wonders in HM; I have found more success with it than Sabway. Its weak in NM, as things die fast enough already. There will always be those who support Sabway, and those that prefer Discord. In the end its up to personal conjecture: simply put, if you like Sabway more, take it. Discord won't make or break anything unless things need to die fast.
1) Calling a target in Discord is the act of making a single target the focus of your discord spike. The Discord caller should have YMLAD, Assassin's Promise and Finish Him. This ensures conditions (an extra one, to prevent removal) and a hex, allowing the insane damage of Discord to be unleashed.
2) No. The main focus of Discord builds is the ability to do massive damage with equally massive support. As such just about every discord hero has protection/healing moves that prove general group support. Couple this with massive minion use, a minion bomber, staple curses (enfeebling blood works wonders in HM) with massive party support will generally allow the clearing of difficult areas.
On a side note, depending on class, you might want to bring BR on your curses necro. For most (Ele and Necro don't apply) classes, it can be fairly difficult to continually use EoTN PvE moves. BR can help keep it up, while at the same time providing massive energy management.
Discord works wonders in HM; I have found more success with it than Sabway. Its weak in NM, as things die fast enough already. There will always be those who support Sabway, and those that prefer Discord. In the end its up to personal conjecture: simply put, if you like Sabway more, take it. Discord won't make or break anything unless things need to die fast.
talisk3
Hmmm... OK.
What's a minion bomber :P
Is it just a MM?
What's a minion bomber :P
Is it just a MM?
Kerwyn Nasilan
Also as the caller of Discord way you are generally meant to provide the hex needed for discord, usally [assassins promise], and manually using Discord for spike.
Masmar
A minion bomber is a MM with death nova, and usually Jagged bones.
A good example [although this uses IV] can be found here.
However with discordway your looking at something with only bone minions and death nova, and extra utility skills/curses [and maybe splinter weapon, preferance really]
A good example [although this uses IV] can be found here.
However with discordway your looking at something with only bone minions and death nova, and extra utility skills/curses [and maybe splinter weapon, preferance really]
Lord Of Blame
1. Calling a target is selecting a target so that everyone is attacking the same foe. I can't tell you what key it is because I changed mine to a different key. With heroes you can always just left click (with the mouse) and they will target that foe. However when you actually call a target you will get a "T" symbol next to your name in the party window.
2. That is what I did and it works great. I did modify the build a little to fit my personal preference but that will be up to you. My main problem was some of the skills in there had too long of a recharge for the hex and condition. Things die so fast with discord that I sometimes had to wait too long for the recharge. It also sucks when foes pull off the condition or hex and you are sitting there waiting on a 8 sec recharge. So I just slightly changed the set up and it works great for me.
2. That is what I did and it works great. I did modify the build a little to fit my personal preference but that will be up to you. My main problem was some of the skills in there had too long of a recharge for the hex and condition. Things die so fast with discord that I sometimes had to wait too long for the recharge. It also sucks when foes pull off the condition or hex and you are sitting there waiting on a 8 sec recharge. So I just slightly changed the set up and it works great for me.
talisk3
OK thanks guys, another thing I got discord on my heroes and I have a few hexes, what are good utility/support skills?
Masmar
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OK thanks guys, another thing I got discord on my heroes and I have a few hexes, what are good utility/support skills?
The 4 man build i pinged earlier has exactly what you need, but if you want variation you can just mix from here. [remember common sense though]
talisk3
OK thanks, should I put them on Guard or Avoid Combat
Masmar
Gaurd, or they wont use Discord ;P
jackinthe
Luminarus
Heroes will use discord on any target that meats the criteria. Calling a target just ensures they all focus on the same one.
Rothan Celt
I set all my discord necs elite to skill slot 1
i then when i want to carry out a spike
hit 1,2,3 the hotkeys for my discord nec skills. i then call the target and apply [skill] Assassins promise [/skill] and [skill] You move like a dwarf [/skill]
along with ebon vanguard sin and [skill] Finish Him [/skill] it pretty much kills the target and keeps it KD until it dies.
Good luck with discord.
i then when i want to carry out a spike
hit 1,2,3 the hotkeys for my discord nec skills. i then call the target and apply [skill] Assassins promise [/skill] and [skill] You move like a dwarf [/skill]
along with ebon vanguard sin and [skill] Finish Him [/skill] it pretty much kills the target and keeps it KD until it dies.
Good luck with discord.
talisk3
kk thanks for all the responses!
Do I neeeeed ["Finish Him!"]
Also if playing a necro could I do me using discord or would it be better for me to do SS?
Do I neeeeed ["Finish Him!"]
Also if playing a necro could I do me using discord or would it be better for me to do SS?
Gony
You don't need Finish Him, but it is a very very nice skill to have in your bar, and will make most situations slightly quicker.
On my necromancer I like to use arcane echo and SS, and add to my skillbar barbs, enfeebling blood and weaken armour. This way you throw down a lot of hexes and conditions, and do a lot of additional damage on your own. On most other characters, I use the Assassin's Promise, YMLAD, Finish Him, Ebon Assassin as mentioned earlier.
On my necromancer I like to use arcane echo and SS, and add to my skillbar barbs, enfeebling blood and weaken armour. This way you throw down a lot of hexes and conditions, and do a lot of additional damage on your own. On most other characters, I use the Assassin's Promise, YMLAD, Finish Him, Ebon Assassin as mentioned earlier.
AtomicMew
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You don't need Finish Him, but it is a very very nice skill to have in your bar, and will make most situations slightly quicker.
On my necromancer I like to use arcane echo and SS, and add to my skillbar barbs, enfeebling blood and weaken armour. You are doing it wrong. The entire point of discordway is to ensure kills to recharge AP as fast as possible - as a nec, you should be doing half or MORE of the damage to every target. If you SS, you might as well go with a sabway variant instead.
On my necromancer I like to use arcane echo and SS, and add to my skillbar barbs, enfeebling blood and weaken armour. You are doing it wrong. The entire point of discordway is to ensure kills to recharge AP as fast as possible - as a nec, you should be doing half or MORE of the damage to every target. If you SS, you might as well go with a sabway variant instead.
daze
Super Igor
Makes things much faster helps against gay halers what else do you need?
daze
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Makes things much faster helps against gay halers what else do you need?
this [you move like a dwarf]
Super Igor
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this [you move like a dwarf]
this what? dont see what you want to say here.
fireflyry
Unless your specifically wanting to vanq or title grind I'd stick with Sabway.
While never denying it's effectiveness, using Discordway is hands down the most boring experience I've ever had in my years playing GW.
The fact it dictates the play style and build of the player is epic fail for me.
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Then again 90% of players now are focused on grind + speed + ease of use, in which case Discordway is win.If your just after GWAMM or HM speed runs with negligible effort or risk I'd say go for it.
If your wanting variation of play, especially in your builds use, effectiveness and enjoyment I'd stick with Sabway, especially if your talking areas/missions you haven't been to or quite finished yet.
Your choice, either way good luck.
/2 cents.
While never denying it's effectiveness, using Discordway is hands down the most boring experience I've ever had in my years playing GW.
The fact it dictates the play style and build of the player is epic fail for me.
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Then again 90% of players now are focused on grind + speed + ease of use, in which case Discordway is win.If your just after GWAMM or HM speed runs with negligible effort or risk I'd say go for it.
If your wanting variation of play, especially in your builds use, effectiveness and enjoyment I'd stick with Sabway, especially if your talking areas/missions you haven't been to or quite finished yet.
Your choice, either way good luck.
/2 cents.
fireflyry
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Discordway atypically demands a "caller" build.
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Also, if your player dies with all the hexes and conditions on his bar, your heroes cant use discord anymore? Right....
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Also, the player IS restricted... you really should be an AP caller if you play discordway.
Wrong! You dont have to use AP to make discordway work and AP is not the ONLY hex in the game. I guess I must be a magician to make my discordway work well without AP then.  Quote:
There are definitely lots of other choices for hexes and conditions that will run discordway perfectly fine, like [[asuran scan] which you mentioned or [[fragility], [[scourge healing], [[mind wrack], [[freezing gust] and lots of other low recharge hexes. Still none of them have as much potential as [[assassins promise] Quote:
But casting AP just before the target dies would mean using some amount of player skill, which most players dont have.
This would be true if we weren't talking about discordway. [[assassins promise] gives you at least 10 seconds to kill an enemy. And discordway takes less than 5 seconds to kill an enemy. Which means you have a 99% chance of successfully activating the recharge. But you are still mostly correct. [[assassins promise] really should only be used by casters to utilize its full potential. Even though [assassins promise][asuran scan] works well with melee. But by no means does discordway rely on [[assassins promise] to make it successful, nor should it have to rely totally on you as a leader to manage all the hexes and conditions. But i dont think you can honestly say that [[assassins promise] doesn't make discordway more efficient, because it does. Quote:
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