Suggestions for a Warrior

marmar256

marmar256

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2008

Australia

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These are all great ideas guys i was just wondering if someone could throw in a bar or 2 along the line to put it into a better perspective. Thats all i am trying discord atm with the AP+YMLAD and i dont really like it. I dislike being back from the fight i thought that was why i had armour to get in there? Anywho a few bars would be nice.
Thanks

Saraneth

Saraneth

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2008

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Originally Posted by marmar256 View Post
Thats all i am trying discord atm with the AP+YMLAD and i dont really like it. I dislike being back from the fight i thought that was why i had armour to get in there?
You're a warrior, not a caster. You should be out in the front line. If your build doesn't support that, then you need to change builds.


Quote: Your AP serves no function to that adrenaline axe build and it takes up your elite slot. And when your precious AP is removed, your plan for it to prime discord fails. I rather have an elite to let my warrior kill faster. Warriors have adrenaline skills, so they dont have to rely on AP. With Splinter Weapon, they can dish out higher damage than your AP build. You should modify your heroes around your character, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by marmar256
Anywho a few bars would be nice. As for your warrior, [[Warriors Endurance] scythe and [[Earth Shaker] have been suggested. Versions of these builds can be found here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10326347

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

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[assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][frenzy][dismember][executioner's strike][agonizing chop][dash][optional]

Manly + effective with Discord.

Anyway Daesu, why? Wars as AP callers are fine just drop EVAS and dont be bad.

Daenara

Daenara

Bad Romance

Join Date: May 2006

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Grand Matron

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Pretty sure you've had that conversation before. Cut it out, or keep it to PM's.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

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ewwwwwww urbad

Accompanying skills are manly powerful axe spike and AP+YMLaD goodness. AP caller rules, best way to prime your Discord stop being bad. W/* has no way to call Discord with vertually no downtime like AP, your best option to call from range is [asuran scan][you move like a dwarf] which has huuuge 10 sec recharge and requres you to waste 2 pve slots on you warrior bar, not worth it just run sabs if you want good melee.

Also, lol @ energy, 15 energy is alooot /sarcasm.

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

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ewwwwww you're bad too.....


see I can do that just as easily. Sugar coat your build all you want, the argument still stands.

Daesu

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

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Originally Posted by Super Igor View Post
ewwwwwww urbad

Accompanying skills are manly powerful axe spike and AP+YMLaD goodness. AP caller rules, best way to prime your Discord stop being bad. W/* has no way to call Discord with vertually no downtime like AP,
your best option to call from range is [asuran scan][you move like a dwarf] which has huuuge 10 sec recharge and requres you to waste 2 pve slots on you warrior bar, not worth it just run sabs if you want good melee. Asuran Scan+YMLAD vs AP+YMLAD is only a difference of 1 pve skill, not 2, and you dont need to take up the elite slot. If you want instant condition, then cast withering aura on your warrior and use cyclone axe or ww to spread the goodness.

AtomicMew

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

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You should read your own pvx build discussion page. Nobody thinks that a warrior should use the build that you posted and you are still defending it here to the very end for the sake of your pride. And worse, actually recommending it for warriors in this thread. Wow, so that was you trolling for comments to use against Igor?

You can't just interpret comments any way you want. That's called lying. No one said discordway is bad with a warrior... c'mon, it's discordway; they said simply it's better on a caster. That is all.

And you should use sabway with a warrior for YOUR playing style, which is what EVERYONE has been saying. IGOR is quite plainly saying, if discordway, AP is simply better in most areas.

Calista Blackblood

Calista Blackblood

Permanently Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Northern Ireland

Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide]

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No need for the flaming.Keep it on topic..

phan

phan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

phantasmagoria

Be a man and run balanced x)

AtomicMew

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

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Originally Posted by Daesu View Post
First of all I know from that pvx discordway thread, you are also one of the authors so I can understand why you are upset since the pvx discordway recommended it for "any profession/A" even with recommended skills for the warrior class.
Nope, I'm not "one of the authors," I'm just too lazy to wiki lol. Take your baseless assumptions elsewhere, not that I care since the pvx version is decent, compared to the trash daesu puts out.

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If YOUR version of discordway is not optimal on a warrior, and sabway or other builds are better, then you shouldn't recommend your discordway to a warrior. Instead of defending a bad build to the bitter end, why dont you guys just admit that there are better hero builds out there for a warrior and stop pushing YOUR discordway to warriors on this thread. This argument shouldnt happen unless you are saying YOUR discordway build is better with a warrior, than a good melee warrior with sabway. You see, this is where you need to stop LYING. I NEVER ever recommended discordway for warrior. (It's certainly possible, but subpar.) What I HAVE said is, if you insist on using discordway with a warrior, then AP caller is still superior.

Read Igor again:
"Warriors can be adapted to run with Discord well (see my or Xun's build) but compared to other professions they are less suited for Discord and do much better job with Sab or RoJ."

That's pretty much end of discussion. There's no conceivable way you can argue with the above statement. Now that its done, close this thread.

marmar256

marmar256

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2008

Australia

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Well guys all this being said can you ping the bars that you are defending so that i and other warriors can make up our own minds?
I would like to see an RoJ setup, discord setup and well i have the sab way setups but if you like a sabway setup also.
Thanks and I hope i can see some more bars not just arguements about a particular build that i cant see
Thanks again

Lusciious

Lusciious

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM

Order of [Thay]

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just get a triple chop bar / warrior's endurance and play with sabway.

nuff said.

Revelations

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

Not Dead

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This is basically my warriors set up at the moment

[Myself;OQYTkwoOZSsAsYHsV4qgvyw6nAA]

[Hero 1;OwYT44HC1xnZ9xrUfXy8IggMAA]

[Hero 2;OwYT44HC1xnZ9xrU/u4FJggMAA]

[Hero 3;Owgk4wQYoIqjPz6jXp+uEMm3M5C]

Attributes are slightly higher than what builds show, due to lazy copy/pasting.

Warrior - I tend to be a bit too much of a pvper. Drop rush if you want, crushing can be swapped for pulverizing. Grasping is optional. Take a res if you want.

Heroes - No minion wall if h/hing, so party takes every hit. I often take 2 hench monks (in HM, one is usually sufficient for most NM areas) and still have insane damage output. Insane amounts of armor ignoring (mostly non scattering aoe) damage, and Erf Shakur/Grasping is nice movement control. Back to back Erfshakurs are simple with FGJ up.

As for variants in monk builds, drop some copies of smite condition if going with a Life Sheath hench monk. Strength and honor isn't necessary, but that hero never runs out of energy with glyph and castigation, so I figured I'd put the extra to use. Judges Insight for more damage. Smiter's Boon for a bit of redbarring.

I often switch to Sab depending on area in HM, however in the entirety of NM and a lot of areas in HM I find that if you get decent landing Erf Shakur the entire mob dies before they get up.

Can be worthwhile observing mobs briefly, occasionally after they've wandered for a bit, their AI will tell them to regroup at a point, and they will clump up on one spot very briefly. This is an ideal time to aggro and get off a near instant Erf Shakur. (FGJ and Enraging)

Sorry for the novel.

Also, I know its back a ways in the thread, but
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Originally Posted by ac1inferno
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For a Warrior, I strongly suggest Sabway. It has much more synergy with physicals than RoJway. ...surely you can't be serious. Sabway has some extreme synergy within itself, but Ion Cannons can take S+H, Judges insight, you can throw splinter on them, not to mention the fact that smite hex/condition/arage are far better with a real frontliner.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

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No [smiter's boon]??? o____O

It must have [smiter's boon] such a nice boost in healing.

Lusciious

Lusciious

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2009

I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM

Order of [Thay]

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i personally think [smither's boon] would just be a waste of a skill slot. the extra 20-30 heal probably won't save your life.

Mr Emu

Mr Emu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

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so it appears our final judgment is this:

RoJway-Wars and Dervs (sins optionally)
erfshakuur, wounding, being a melee, etc all synergize with RoJ heroes, sins are better off with dway

Sabway-Paras and Rangers (melees optionally)
these classes aren't casters, so dway is a bad option, but aren't melee, so RoJ is bad too. The solution is sabway with splinter, minion walls, and other good shit. Also, both of these profs can run SY! fairly efficiently.

Dway-Casters, Assassins
All five caster oriented professions have enough energy and synergizing skills to make a decent dway, sins get high lvl deadly arts skills

hunter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Nop, because discordway is much safer and kills faster than RoJway even with warriors.

Discordway simply requires more skill to use with melee than casters. Even though the caster variant is still better, discordway with melee > RoJway

Revelations

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

Not Dead

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Originally Posted by Super Igor View Post
No [smiter's boon]??? o____O

It must have [smiter's boon] such a nice boost in healing.
Read please.
Quote: Originally Posted by Revelations As for variants in monk builds...Smiter's Boon for a bit of redbarring. Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Emu
so it appears our final judgment is this:
etc. IMO typifying which of those builds belongs to various classes is a pointless exercise. They can all work effectively with all professions depending on variants, player build, and to an extent playstyle. GENERALLY and I use the term very loosely RoJ is better with a frontliner, Discord is better with a caster, and Sab is just good all round, BUT they are all incredibly flexible and will all work effectively regardless of the player.

Throw a minion bomber in RoJway and you immediately massively increase its defence and reorient it somewhat further towards a caster player character. Run grasping earth on an Erf Shakur bar and discordway immediately becomes far more synergistic with it.

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Originally Posted by hunter
Nop, because discordway is much safer and kills faster than RoJway even with warriors.

Discordway simply requires more skill to use with melee than casters. Even though the caster variant is still better, discordway with melee > RoJway Though I don't doubt the power and of discordway (afk is good), if you micro RoJway it has the potential to deal far more damage than discord. Clump foes up and let those cannons rip. Discord wont take out a clump of 7 or 8 HM enemies in 6 seconds flat. This is, however at a major cost to defence, as RoJ monks cant take too much defence without becoming majorly redundant. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.

daze

daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

In my own mind

The Dragon Exchange

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Originally Posted by Revelations View Post
loosely RoJ is better with a frontliner, Discord is better with a caster, and Sab is just good all round, QFT best quote ever..

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

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Originally Posted by Revelations View Post
Though I don't doubt the power and of discordway (afk is good), if you micro RoJway it has the potential to deal far more damage than discord. Clump foes up and let those cannons rip. Discord wont take out a clump of 7 or 8 HM enemies in 6 seconds flat. This is, however at a major cost to defence, as RoJ monks cant take too much defence without becoming majorly redundant. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. then you have no idea what discord is about, discord is not an afk build.

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

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Originally Posted by Super Igor View Post
then you have no idea what discord is about, discord is not an afk build. Depending on the size of mobs, who you're facing, and whether you're equipped or not any hero setup has the "potential" to do things for you while you afk.

It's all circumstantial. Discordway isn't the best way to afk nor can it do every corner of GW for you. But in the right places it can.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

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That made no sense, you have to apply the primer yourself because heroes dont understand it and you have to at least start attacking to make them lock on a target. Ofc. you can go afk with anything but Discord is a bad afk build.

Think RoJ or Sab.

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

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run sabway or discord-way while running a d-slash, save yourselves warrior build. You'll be able to pump out decent dmg for a warrior, protect ur heros with save yourselves, and the necro teams have become that basic standard for easy hero builds that work well. all these builds you can find posted all over the place.

daze

daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

In my own mind

The Dragon Exchange

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Originally Posted by hunter
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I think his point was that if you bring enough AoE hexes and conditions, the heroes will do the job for you. When you plan on afking, you bring [suffering], which puts hexes on basically everyone around. Conditions are easy enough to apply as it is so its not problem. Sure, your build will be much slower than with a caller or someone who can provide at least 1 type of condition himself, but it will nevertheless pretty much run itself.

And yeah Discord/sabway > RoJ for pretty much anything. That would be a good point if the range for [suffering] were a bit wider, but sadly that is not the case. The range is "nearby" which is even smaller than "in the area" about the same distance that a fart can travel while outdoors.

when melee is targeted with [[enfeebling blood] and the caster is target with [[suffering] unfortunately they will not stretch across the field and effectively mark all targets. Heroes are stupid this way. If you dont tell them what to do, they just do their own thing.

Im not sure if it works like this but i would imagine that [enfeebling blood] being weakness causing, would be prioritized by heroes to be casted upon melee for the skill to perform its role. And not so much casters.

Even minions tend to focus more of their forces on the front line (melee) while leaving casters on the back burner.

So i stand by my original point. Although Discordway has potential to be the most devestating H/H build available, AFK discordway is retarded. I mean jeez, how lazy and stupid do you have to be? If you want to gimp your team by not packing conditions and hexes in your bar, at least point your heroes at the target.

Hanging Man

Hanging Man

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Deep in the Shire

Personally I think that Discord or Sabway would be more preferred if you are a melee.

Mainly for reasons already stated, because they have additional hexes that would benefit a melee character.

[skill]barbs[/skill] and [skill]mark of pain[/skill] do wonders


hell, for shits and giggles we'll even throw in a lil [skill]splinter weapon[/skill]
just make sure you call targets

Kenzo Skunk

Kenzo Skunk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

It might be a tricky one whatever you choose - roj or sabway, since you are the one rushing in, or pulling, and your heroes (be them necros or monks) are squishies that have only 60AL. In your case, sabway might be better choice because of minions that to some extent protect your heroes and backline. AI routine often goes behind you to "check" if there are other targets with lower armor to attack them first. You can go with roj too, of course, it`s just that you`ll have to micro a bit more and to flag your heroes.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

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Originally Posted by Hanging Man View Post
Personally I think that Discord or Sabway would be more preferred if you are a melee.

Mainly for reasons already stated, because they have additional hexes that would benefit a melee character.

[skill]barbs[/skill] and [skill]mark of pain[/skill] do wonders


hell, for shits and giggles we'll even throw in a lil [skill]splinter weapon[/skill]
just make sure you call targets
Sabway still cant kill one foe as fast and efficient as Discord and that all that matters thats why I would give up physical damage for AP calling.

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Originally Posted by daze View Post
Im not sure if it works like this but i would imagine that [enfeebling blood] being weakness causing, would be prioritized by heroes to be casted upon melee for the skill to perform its role. And not so much casters. yeah, there was time when they spammed it all over the place and it was great but A-net nerfed it by "improving" hero AI on it. ;o

Revelations

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

Not Dead

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I think his point was that if you bring enough AoE hexes and conditions, the heroes will do the job for you... Yes. This is what I meant. I specifically said it was worse than sab afk. If you throw in a few aoe hexes like suffering(stupidly short recharge is what makes it effective, in addition to the aoe.), shadow of fear, and even - despite its recharge - meekness isnt awful. Just ping the most dangerous target of a group, minimize, and do your thing. Stuff ends up dead, your party doesn't. Your heroes don't even need to attack the same target unless there's enemy monks, so you just ping those first as you go afk. After that they'll just spam discord everywhere. Run with multiple copies of putrid bile if going afk too.

I agree its awful compared to actually being there and calling targets/applying hexes yourself, but that doesn't change the fact it still works, and works relatively well.

byteme!

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

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If my soul intention is to have my heroes work for me while I afk from time to time who cares if I'm calling targets or not? I'm afk for crying out loud. Nor should I care if they don't attack the same target. The fact they are doing anything at all is win-win. This goes for Discord/Sab/Roj/any other build under the sun. If things die and my heroes don't then it's working as intended. I don't know why anyone would even care what builds are better or not for afk'ing. You're afk!!!! Hello?!

Over analyzing something as trivial as this makes me laugh.