Suggestions for a Warrior
marmar256
These are all great ideas guys i was just wondering if someone could throw in a bar or 2 along the line to put it into a better perspective. Thats all i am trying discord atm with the AP+YMLAD and i dont really like it. I dislike being back from the fight i thought that was why i had armour to get in there? Anywho a few bars would be nice.
Thanks
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Saraneth
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Anywho a few bars would be nice.
As for your warrior, [[Warriors Endurance] scythe and [[Earth Shaker] have been suggested. Versions of these builds can be found here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10326347 Super Igor
[assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][frenzy][dismember][executioner's strike][agonizing chop][dash][optional]
Manly + effective with Discord. Anyway Daesu, why? Wars as AP callers are fine just drop EVAS and dont be bad. Daenara
Pretty sure you've had that conversation before. Cut it out, or keep it to PM's.
Super Igor
ewwwwwww urbad
Accompanying skills are manly powerful axe spike and AP+YMLaD goodness. AP caller rules, best way to prime your Discord stop being bad. W/* has no way to call Discord with vertually no downtime like AP, your best option to call from range is [asuran scan][you move like a dwarf] which has huuuge 10 sec recharge and requres you to waste 2 pve slots on you warrior bar, not worth it just run sabs if you want good melee. Also, lol @ energy, 15 energy is alooot /sarcasm. byteme!
ewwwwww you're bad too.....
see I can do that just as easily. Sugar coat your build all you want, the argument still stands. Daesu
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Accompanying skills are manly powerful axe spike and AP+YMLaD goodness. AP caller rules, best way to prime your Discord stop being bad. W/* has no way to call Discord with vertually no downtime like AP, |
Your AP serves no function to that adrenaline axe build and it takes up your elite slot. And when your precious AP is removed, your plan for it to prime discord fails. I rather have an elite to let my warrior kill faster. Warriors have adrenaline skills, so they dont have to rely on AP. With Splinter Weapon, they can dish out higher damage than your AP build. You should modify your heroes around your character, not the other way around.
your best option to call from range is [asuran scan][you move like a dwarf] which has huuuge 10 sec recharge and requres you to waste 2 pve slots on you warrior bar, not worth it just run sabs if you want good melee.
Asuran Scan+YMLAD vs AP+YMLAD is only a difference of 1 pve skill, not 2, and you dont need to take up the elite slot. If you want instant condition, then cast withering aura on your warrior and use cyclone axe or ww to spread the goodness.
AtomicMew
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You should read your own pvx build discussion page. Nobody thinks that a warrior should use the build that you posted and you are still defending it here to the very end for the sake of your pride. And worse, actually recommending it for warriors in this thread.
Wow, so that was you trolling for comments to use against Igor? |
You can't just interpret comments any way you want. That's called lying. No one said discordway is bad with a warrior... c'mon, it's discordway; they said simply it's better on a caster. That is all. And you should use sabway with a warrior for YOUR playing style, which is what EVERYONE has been saying. IGOR is quite plainly saying, if discordway, AP is simply better in most areas. Calista Blackblood
No need for the flaming.Keep it on topic..
phan
Be a man and run balanced x)
AtomicMew
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If YOUR version of discordway is not optimal on a warrior, and sabway or other builds are better, then you shouldn't recommend your discordway to a warrior. Instead of defending a bad build to the bitter end, why dont you guys just admit that there are better hero builds out there for a warrior and stop pushing YOUR discordway to warriors on this thread. This argument shouldnt happen unless you are saying YOUR discordway build is better with a warrior, than a good melee warrior with sabway.
You see, this is where you need to stop LYING. I NEVER ever recommended discordway for warrior. (It's certainly possible, but subpar.) What I HAVE said is, if you insist on using discordway with a warrior, then AP caller is still superior. Read Igor again: "Warriors can be adapted to run with Discord well (see my or Xun's build) but compared to other professions they are less suited for Discord and do much better job with Sab or RoJ." That's pretty much end of discussion. There's no conceivable way you can argue with the above statement. Now that its done, close this thread. AtomicMew
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I dont think you have been paying attention, AP is not superior for a warrior. AP sucks for a warrior.
Just run sabway.
"Warriors can be adapted to run with Discord well but compared to other professions they are less suited for Discord and do much better job with Sab or RoJ." marmar256
Well guys all this being said can you ping the bars that you are defending so that i and other warriors can make up our own minds?
I would like to see an RoJ setup, discord setup and well i have the sab way setups but if you like a sabway setup also. Thanks and I hope i can see some more bars not just arguements about a particular build that i cant see Thanks again Lusciious
just get a triple chop bar / warrior's endurance and play with sabway.
nuff said. Revelations
This is basically my warriors set up at the moment
Originally Posted by ac1inferno
[Myself;OQYTkwoOZSsAsYHsV4qgvyw6nAA] [Hero 1;OwYT44HC1xnZ9xrUfXy8IggMAA] [Hero 2;OwYT44HC1xnZ9xrU/u4FJggMAA] [Hero 3;Owgk4wQYoIqjPz6jXp+uEMm3M5C] Attributes are slightly higher than what builds show, due to lazy copy/pasting. Warrior - I tend to be a bit too much of a pvper. Drop rush if you want, crushing can be swapped for pulverizing. Grasping is optional. Take a res if you want. Heroes - No minion wall if h/hing, so party takes every hit. I often take 2 hench monks (in HM, one is usually sufficient for most NM areas) and still have insane damage output. Insane amounts of armor ignoring (mostly non scattering aoe) damage, and Erf Shakur/Grasping is nice movement control. Back to back Erfshakurs are simple with FGJ up. As for variants in monk builds, drop some copies of smite condition if going with a Life Sheath hench monk. Strength and honor isn't necessary, but that hero never runs out of energy with glyph and castigation, so I figured I'd put the extra to use. Judges Insight for more damage. Smiter's Boon for a bit of redbarring. I often switch to Sab depending on area in HM, however in the entirety of NM and a lot of areas in HM I find that if you get decent landing Erf Shakur the entire mob dies before they get up. Can be worthwhile observing mobs briefly, occasionally after they've wandered for a bit, their AI will tell them to regroup at a point, and they will clump up on one spot very briefly. This is an ideal time to aggro and get off a near instant Erf Shakur. (FGJ and Enraging) Sorry for the novel. Also, I know its back a ways in the thread, but Quote: For a Warrior, I strongly suggest Sabway. It has much more synergy with physicals than RoJway.
...surely you can't be serious. Sabway has some extreme synergy within itself, but Ion Cannons can take S+H, Judges insight, you can throw splinter on them, not to mention the fact that smite hex/condition/arage are far better with a real frontliner.
Super Igor
No [smiter's boon]??? o____O
It must have [smiter's boon] such a nice boost in healing. Lusciious
i personally think [smither's boon] would just be a waste of a skill slot. the extra 20-30 heal probably won't save your life.
Mr Emu
so it appears our final judgment is this:
RoJway-Wars and Dervs (sins optionally) erfshakuur, wounding, being a melee, etc all synergize with RoJ heroes, sins are better off with dway Sabway-Paras and Rangers (melees optionally) these classes aren't casters, so dway is a bad option, but aren't melee, so RoJ is bad too. The solution is sabway with splinter, minion walls, and other good shit. Also, both of these profs can run SY! fairly efficiently. Dway-Casters, Assassins All five caster oriented professions have enough energy and synergizing skills to make a decent dway, sins get high lvl deadly arts skills hunter
Nop, because discordway is much safer and kills faster than RoJway even with warriors.
Discordway simply requires more skill to use with melee than casters. Even though the caster variant is still better, discordway with melee > RoJway Revelations
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It must have [smiter's boon] such a nice boost in healing. |
Quote: Originally Posted by Revelations As for variants in monk builds...Smiter's Boon for a bit of redbarring.
so it appears our final judgment is this:
etc. IMO typifying which of those builds belongs to various classes is a pointless exercise. They can all work effectively with all professions depending on variants, player build, and to an extent playstyle. GENERALLY and I use the term very loosely RoJ is better with a frontliner, Discord is better with a caster, and Sab is just good all round, BUT they are all incredibly flexible and will all work effectively regardless of the player.
Throw a minion bomber in RoJway and you immediately massively increase its defence and reorient it somewhat further towards a caster player character. Run grasping earth on an Erf Shakur bar and discordway immediately becomes far more synergistic with it.
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etc. IMO typifying which of those builds belongs to various classes is a pointless exercise. They can all work effectively with all professions depending on variants, player build, and to an extent playstyle. GENERALLY and I use the term very loosely RoJ is better with a frontliner, Discord is better with a caster, and Sab is just good all round, BUT they are all incredibly flexible and will all work effectively regardless of the player.
Throw a minion bomber in RoJway and you immediately massively increase its defence and reorient it somewhat further towards a caster player character. Run grasping earth on an Erf Shakur bar and discordway immediately becomes far more synergistic with it.
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Sabway still cant kill one foe as fast and efficient as Discord and that all that matters thats why I would give up physical damage for AP calling.
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Nop, because discordway is much safer and kills faster than RoJway even with warriors.
Discordway simply requires more skill to use with melee than casters. Even though the caster variant is still better, discordway with melee > RoJway Though I don't doubt the power and of discordway (afk is good), if you micro RoJway it has the potential to deal far more damage than discord. Clump foes up and let those cannons rip. Discord wont take out a clump of 7 or 8 HM enemies in 6 seconds flat. This is, however at a major cost to defence, as RoJ monks cant take too much defence without becoming majorly redundant. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. daze
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loosely RoJ is better with a frontliner, Discord is better with a caster, and Sab is just good all round,
QFT best quote ever..
Super Igor
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byteme!
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then you have no idea what discord is about, discord is not an afk build.
Depending on the size of mobs, who you're facing, and whether you're equipped or not any hero setup has the "potential" to do things for you while you afk.
It's all circumstantial. Discordway isn't the best way to afk nor can it do every corner of GW for you. But in the right places it can. Super Igor
That made no sense, you have to apply the primer yourself because heroes dont understand it and you have to at least start attacking to make them lock on a target. Ofc. you can go afk with anything but Discord is a bad afk build.
Think RoJ or Sab. Eragon Zarroc
run sabway or discord-way while running a d-slash, save yourselves warrior build. You'll be able to pump out decent dmg for a warrior, protect ur heros with save yourselves, and the necro teams have become that basic standard for easy hero builds that work well. all these builds you can find posted all over the place.
Hanging Man
Personally I think that Discord or Sabway would be more preferred if you are a melee.
Mainly for reasons already stated, because they have additional hexes that would benefit a melee character. [skill]barbs[/skill] and [skill]mark of pain[/skill] do wonders hell, for shits and giggles we'll even throw in a lil [skill]splinter weapon[/skill] just make sure you call targets Kenzo Skunk
It might be a tricky one whatever you choose - roj or sabway, since you are the one rushing in, or pulling, and your heroes (be them necros or monks) are squishies that have only 60AL. In your case, sabway might be better choice because of minions that to some extent protect your heroes and backline. AI routine often goes behind you to "check" if there are other targets with lower armor to attack them first. You can go with roj too, of course, it`s just that you`ll have to micro a bit more and to flag your heroes.
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by Hanging Man
Mainly for reasons already stated, because they have additional hexes that would benefit a melee character. [skill]barbs[/skill] and [skill]mark of pain[/skill] do wonders hell, for shits and giggles we'll even throw in a lil [skill]splinter weapon[/skill] just make sure you call targets |
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