Izzy no longer balancing GW1.

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Shadow Kurd
Shadow Kurd
Wilds Pathfinder
#1
No he didn't get fired.

He's just went from GW1 skill balance to GW2 combat and economy.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?...oldid=1345874:
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Sense I've been focusing on GW2 so much I just haven't posted on here in a while, which is a trend I don't see changing for a while, so try not to hate me too much but my focus has really changed from GW1 skills and balance to GW2 combat, economy, and other big systems and there is always a lot of work to do.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?...&oldid=1345897
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So focusing your feedback to them is probably best. Linsey(Designer), Joe(Programer). They spend all their time on Gw1.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Speci...iah_Cartwright
netniwk
netniwk
Desert Nomad
#2
Why god, whyyyyy
ele pl
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Krytan Explorer
#3
That means no HB update ever, and no proper skill balance in the future. Amen.
Time to look for a new game.
Longasc
Longasc
Forge Runner
#4
Izzy always said he was the head of a balancing team.

We do not know about the rest, and who else helps Linsey and Joe.

But maybe you are right and it means that there will be no major changes anymore, which would not be too surprising, actually.
daraaksii
daraaksii
Desert Nomad
#5
LOL, just LOL.

ggbb
Konig Des Todes
Konig Des Todes
Ooo, pretty flower
#6
More awesomeness for GW1 since Linsey is doing skill balancing for now on.

Izzy, please don't repeat Smiter's Boon in GW2.

That is all.

Edit: I am not saying Izzy was bad - in fact, I liked many changes that were made. But there were some decisions that, while not affecting to me, I find disappointing.
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DarkNecrid
Furnace Stoker
#7
He will still be giving input I think, but really there's 2 ways this could go:
a) Linsey actually listens to the community like she has for everything else and actually fixes stuff proper
or
b) Linsey doesn't listen to the community and the game becomes even more RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up than it already is and people wish Izzy never left.

Linsey has a good track record so far so I'm more inclined to believe A will happen, but you never know.
kostolomac
kostolomac
Jungle Guide
#8
I want some updates and don't give a f*ck who does them.
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DarkNecrid
Furnace Stoker
#9
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Originally Posted by SirSausage View Post
I thought the same when I read the news. Let's hope someone at Anet will keep an eye on him so he doesn't screw the game up before it's released.
Man, he didn't really screw up GW1 that bad, I mean, the first 2 eras of the game were relatively well balanced, and the things that DID screw the game up were really beyond his control. (4 classes, 500+ more skills.) And even with all that shit it's still well balanced compared to its competition.

Thankfully he has said that they realized that adding so many classes & skills was a bad thing, so they'll have learned from this for GW2, with any hope! That in of itself will give the game a lot better chance.
Songbringer
Songbringer
Desert Nomad
#10
Linsey will step up and do a good job. Out of all the updates I think izzy had maybe 6 good ones. By good I mean he broke the crappy meta at the time without compltely screwing something else over and making it so imba that people cried

In my opnion izzy was second rate at best. I liked alot of what he did but still second rate. If he would have listened to the community as a whole(like linsey) instead of those few people in his inner circle then I think alot more would have changed and things that did wouldn't have. Aswell as the timing things changed would have been different. Now by all means I am not saying the community voice is always saying the same thing or that it is right. However he could have posted logical reasons for doing and not doing certain things that unless I have missed on wiki or somewhere on guru during the skill updates he hasn't posted them. He could have confronted the people screaming no don't nerf ursan it is our only way to be as good as xx people and told them why he needed to. Same thing for any other nerf to sf. Smiter's Boon(had to throw one in there that was a bad nerf while I feel the other two were 100000% needed)

Honestly Izzy's nerfs were only temporary fixes. He let them go on for a period of time untill i guess one of his friends complained or he felt like doing something. Then he would nerf the skill into oblivion making it usless forever. Then he would take skills that were never used cause they were so bad and make them insanly over powered to take it's place.

After all this bashing I have said about Izzy I am still a fan of his. Atleast big changes happened and it was always fun to adapt. I think he was good at his job and was better at identifying problems then most people. I just think he left the problem go on to long untill it really hurt then game.


LINSEY 4 LIFE!!! HAVE MY BABIES LINSEY I LOVE YOU!!!
Esprit
Esprit
Desert Nomad
#11
It's astounding how many people are just using this thread to complain about Izzy's 'bad' skill balancing.

Stop and think about it; you are trying to maintain balance and synergy between hundreds of skills and keep millions of players happy at the same time. That is, in my opinion, asking for the impossible. Sure, you can say 'But look at that skill, it's so broken'. It may be broken for you, but maybe for every one person who says it is broken ten think it works well.

Everyone thinks their fix is THE fix and anything else is not going to work. Come on, stop being so self injvolved and just play the game.
Shayne Hawke
Shayne Hawke
Departed from Tyria
#12
I really don't know what to expect from all of this, and that can't be good.
Songbringer
Songbringer
Desert Nomad
#13
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Originally Posted by Esprit View Post
Come on, stop being so self injvolved and just play the game.


Last I checked I payed almost $200 american for these games(don't say well now they go for $5 because guess what I didn't buy them 2 years later and wait for them to go on sale). Plus money for my other two accounts that I just use as storage. So I will be as self involved as I want. Sorry but I paid for a service and if you aren't doing that service I will complain. If something that I do needs to be balanced or fixed or nerfed or buffed w/e word you want to use then I am going to say it and untill it gets fixed and I am going to bi***. I didn't buy this game to say o well these people over here paid the same amount or less money then I did so fix that for them and just don't worry about us group of people not doing that for a few months. Make them happy. NOOOO I paid for this so it should be done the right way. If that makes me self involved then damn I guess I am asking for a service that he can't provide. Which means he needs to be replaced by someone who can.

*I took a stance I am not 100% with because that statement pissed me off* Like I said earlier I don't think he was a total faliure but def had some bad decisions and I welcoming someone new to see how they do it.
Gun Pierson
Gun Pierson
Forge Runner
#14
The only thing I had a prob with was he didn't like the smiting line which had an impact on my fun factor.

Ray is fun though now. I hope they do something with Word of Censure too.
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SkekSister
Krytan Explorer
#15
If you all think you can do a better job then why not apply for his position? I mean if he's that incompetent then surely it would be very easy to.

I think the reality of the situation would be, you'd spend a month doing it then /ragequit when the community starts tearing into you with personal attacks regardless of how much effort and thought you had put into trying to balance what is an impossible system.

I bet all those shouting the loudest have zero or less experience of game development.
Esprit
Esprit
Desert Nomad
#16
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Originally Posted by Songbringer View Post
Last I checked I payed almost $200 american for these games(don't say well now they go for $5 because guess what I didn't buy them 2 years later and wait for them to go on sale). Plus money for my other two accounts that I just use as storage. So I will be as self involved as I want. Sorry but I paid for a service and if you aren't doing that service I will complain.
What games can you name that have had so much player input? Not that many. Most games you get you play in an as-is state, and whatever else developers choose to change or fix. Taking player input and incorporating it into a game is uncommon and Guild Wars chose to do that. Players have become so spoiled with their input that it has almost reached a point where they think they can dictate and run the game because of that.

The fact that there is a team still on the original Guild Wars is pretty amazing. Most business models would have pulled all the developers, minus a skeleton crew for bug fixes, off the original and put their work towards the next Guild Wars.

And as for the money? You chose to pay it, there was no arm twisting, so you can hardly argue the point 'Because I paid X amount of money they should < insert damand here >'.
Akaraxle
Akaraxle
Wilds Pathfinder
#17
Ancient news is ancient.
Lusciious
Lusciious
Krytan Explorer
#18
whys everyone flaming Izzy ? put yourself in his shoes. if you can do a better job than him, go apply for it. if he was so bad, why didn't he get fired ? god guys, give him a break.

heres how this thing works.

for example, no warriors ( other than noobs ) used the old Primal Rage before. Now with the new buff, its the current meta for Axe Warriors.

All Axe Warriors will say ..
*Coughs*
"Omg thanks for the buff Izzy, i love you so much"

Others will say ..
*Coughs*
"OMG WTF DID YOU DO THAT FOR? Now i can't kite for shit. I hate you Izzy .. "

if he makes the skill of one profession good, the players of other professions will hate him for doing so. he'd still get flamed so tell me, tell everyone ESPECIALLY IZZY .. what should he do so he wouldn't get flamed ? to whoever who plans on flaming Izzy, please gtfo, uninstall GW and learn to stop QQ.

I'm not on Izzy's side. Look at how many effing nerfs did he do to SF ? But i don't blame him for doing so. SF gave assassins an advantage over other professions in farming thus he had to balance it. i don't see why everyone hates him for doing so. yeah, its harder. so what ? its not like its unmaintainable. heres the deal.

DEAL WITH IT
HawkofStorms
HawkofStorms
Hall Hero
#19
Remember Izzy is only one man. He was part of a larger team during GW1's balancing. While everybody likes to scapegoat Izzy for EVERYTHING, keep in mind many of the things were probably not his idea. Still... he did screw up a few things on his own... but hey, he's human.
Shadowmoon
Shadowmoon
Wilds Pathfinder
#20
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Originally Posted by Lusciious View Post
I'm not on Izzy's side. Look at how many effing nerfs did he do to SF ?
And who buffed sf to make it maintainable in the first place. SF was never maintainable outside of the /m before the super buff, and even then the timing had to be perfect to pull it off with cons. The buff to shadowform was for it to have the same down/up time with the old 50% deadly paradox with the unbuffed SF, but Izzy was two short sighted to see glyth of swiftness or cons and how it would lead to the permasin. And I think they saw the numbers they lost in the game with ursan being nerfed, and that is why they refuse to revert the skill to its unmaintainable form.