Max Zaishen?

novawhiz

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

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I didn't think anyone had maxed zaishen yet... i know a couple r10 and r11 people but has anyone maxed it with r12...

What made me think this was this pic on GWW on Zaishen Rank Page.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/b/b...k_12_emote.jpg

naughteblonde

naughteblonde

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Rabid Hamsters [NUBY]

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Yes, theres one person at least with R12 - I caught the game wide spam (**** has achieved XXX title - blessings etc) on a screenshot. Will dig it out and cover the name.

ETA:

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

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Its been done quite afew times i belive. its all down to money..whether tahts ingame earnt or real life where theyve bought several accounts and milked the monthly tournament

novawhiz

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

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ah i did not realize it had been maxed ty for posting pic.

Does anyone know when the first one was maxed and possible by who?


on a side note, I wonder how many people pm you when it World Spams your name lol

Loki Seiguro

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

IGN: Scarlet Test Ace

We play Isketch in [HoH]

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eh some people, like me, congratulate you in a pm if it is a worthy title.

I know of 3 people with max title, not personally, but I've seen them.

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

meh, i would think [RAWR] would have a couple by now maybe.

subarucar

subarucar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

New Zealand

None

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc View Post
meh, i would think [RAWR] would have a couple by now maybe.
What brings you to this conclusion? Winning GvG doesnt = Zkeys

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Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

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Quote:
Originally Posted by subarucar View Post
What brings you to this conclusion? Winning GvG doesnt = Zkeys
winning mATs give u a LOT of reward points. . . .

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

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It's not that easy to just get 100 million gold of zkeys, so I imagine there were some very dodgy things done to achieve it.

exploiter

exploiter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

ign Punk Isnt Dead

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Quote:
Originally Posted by subarucar View Post
What brings you to this conclusion? Winning GvG doesnt = Zkeys
1st place in Mats gives you 900 zkey or so...they could easily achieve max zaishen by now

^alright, i fail at maths. Ignore this post

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

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Quote:
Originally Posted by exploiter View Post
1st place in Mats gives you 900 zkey or so...they could easily achieve max zaishen by now
Not really, since you need 20,000 keys. They have only won enough mATs for half the title, if that, and that's assuming they use their keys instead of selling them like smart people.

Nikson

Nikson

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

W/E

My friend is r12 zaishen
sry no nickname for spamming

Coney

Coney

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix View Post
It's not that easy to just get 100 million gold of zkeys, so I imagine there were some very dodgy things done to achieve it.
LOL, yeah, like the many who have verified here in this forum somewhere that they have 20+ different accounts, and each doing the xunlai house predictions every month (16-30 zkeys each account/month). I once heard a guy say he had 30-some accounts (sounds suspicious of a potential gold seller, but whatever)...

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

What the hell do you do with 20+ accounts?

I don't even see a reason to have more than 2.

Coney

Coney

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Earth View Post
What the hell do you do with 20+ accounts?

I don't even see a reason to have more than 2.
I agree, though now I have 3... hehe!

You can get brand-new unopened accounts from amazon/newegg/ebay/etc for $9.95 shipped.

20 accounts should net you ~400 zkeys/month, if you do a reasonable job of prediction in xunlai house...

Asplode

Asplode

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Chicago, IL

Rebel Rising [rawr]

There's some guy that got it once, got banned, and then got it again, I think.

Feel free to correct me on this.

Kamakazi112

Kamakazi112

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

W/

people claim to have 100+ acc and well each account can milk up to 30zkey a month minimum..some people claim to also have 200+...i know seval people with 20+ so well guess thats how people get their zkeys...how they get their accounts..no idea

You just got tomahawked

You just got tomahawked

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

H-Town

The Battle Bakery [vPie]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by s h a d o w View Post
winning mATs give u a LOT of reward points. . . .

yeah try 5000 RPs each month for rawr. thats 1000 keys

RedNova88

RedNova88

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Behind you!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix View Post
It's not that easy to just get 100 million gold of zkeys, so I imagine there were some very dodgy things done to achieve it.
Well, I know of a good number of people that complain about having too much money and >insert very large number of ectos here< in their bank. I imagine they finally did something with them. Frankly, I'm more concerned with how they could put up with all the running back to town with an inventory full of items. I mean, it takes 20000 freaking keys to max the title! Talk about patience! I'd rip my hair out even if I did have all the keys or money required to max it.

Wild Rituals

Wild Rituals

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2008

NZ

Frenzy More [Plz]

Mo/W

There are at least 2 of them,
I have screen Shots of both people

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

hmm, inventry can hold 50 items when emputy, plus 2 carry slots, plus 6 on heros

58 items, lets say you get 23 items that stack, thats 81 items... -1 for your stack of keys

80 per solo trip...

thats 250 trips

other scary zishen calc
a zkey a day, every day will get u the max title in 54.79 years

miskav

miskav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

Mo/

Pingu, that's why you take friends and just mass-open the chest :P

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Edit: bad reading comprehension on my part

I'm really not surprised with somebody having max zaishen. When the title was first announced, some people had a lot of RPs still stockpiled. Plus, they used to sell for ~2k before the title, so some people could have been lucky and stockpiled then. In fact, I'm pretty sure somebody got max z-rank within the first 2 weeks of it being out.

warrior running

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

The Cape Is A Lie[Trim]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix View Post
Not really, since you need 20,000 keys. They have only won enough mATs for half the title, if that, and that's assuming they use their keys instead of selling them like smart people.
csidering there is 8 people in a gvg 8x900 euqals 7.2k zkeys if say they all put together

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Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

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theres other ways to make money other than the mATs. . . .

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

This math isn't hard.

Suppose that zkeys were still 5k. You need 20,000 keys to max the title.

Throughout this game, efficient farms (the sort that get nerfed) have been worth 50k and up per hour.

This implies 2,000 hours of time (invested efficiently) needed to have the necessary assets to get the title.

This game has been in release for nearly four years. In four years there are 35,064 hours. (365*24*4, +24 hours for the leap year)

Conclusion: Anyone that used their time efficiently could easily have the necessary assets to have 20,000 zkeys, without having to ebay or even power trade. The time commitment comes out to an average of ten hours per week since release (although in reality you would have had to farm when it was efficient and not farm when it was not).

Further, I've discounted all the various "instant wealth" effects that have taken place since release. (asian minis, Rollerbeetle racing, 2007 dupe inflating the price of high end items, etc.) For instance, anyone fortunate enough to have scooped up a mini Kanaxai for a couple thousand ecto a couple of years ago could sell the mini and max the title several times over.

Shadowmoon

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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The picking up the items, and just the time required to open the chest is insane. I have a friends who gave up on trying to get a unded island guardian, and just decided to go for maxing zaishen. He started blowing 10k zkeys right after the update, and i still don't think he is done blowing all the keys.
With the current market, unded islands are worth the same as max zaishen, and there prices just keep going up.

Dervish Kid

Dervish Kid

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Florida

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wow..those people with 20+ accounts must be sketchy..what people would do for in-game currency..haha

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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Since when are Undead Islands worth 15,000 ecto? Kanaxi I could understand maybe (crazy ass people for a mini pet that doesn't get you jack).

Didn't realize that many people had the title maxed though, although it doesn't really surprise me either.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

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They AREN'T worth that much, people seem to overestimate the value of a lot of items.

obsidian ectoplasm

obsidian ectoplasm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

I don't even think kanaxais are that much.


I think maybe 10k ectos

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedNova88 View Post
Well, I know of a good number of people that complain about having too much money and >insert very large number of ectos here< in their bank. I imagine they finally did something with them. Frankly, I'm more concerned with how they could put up with all the running back to town with an inventory full of items. I mean, it takes 20000 freaking keys to max the title! Talk about patience! I'd rip my hair out even if I did have all the keys or money required to max it.
It is a pain in the a$$ trust me.. even with a mule or two to come along to pass golds onto.

Yes, I'm one of them and no, I dont need to buy gold I got a few congrats when I finished (mostly Euro as it was like 2am PST) but also a couple of QQers, like always.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dervish Kid View Post
wow..those people with 20+ accounts must be sketchy..what people would do for in-game currency..haha
Like always, people make incorrect assumptions and think they are clever. FYI, I have over 20, many were got before there was such a thing as additional slots available - running multiple guilds with storage for everything that might be needed to help guildies takes a lot of space.
Having said that, I didnt pass up the chance to get extra accounts from amazon for $5 each.

superraptors

superraptors

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2008

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mmm champ point farmers can easily make 800 keys a night
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JASON626

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by superraptors View Post
mmm champ point farmers can easily make 800 keys a night
800 zkey from a single person gvging in one night? doubtful.. even if everyone paid all there zkeys to one person they earned and charged. Setup time and time playing in match just don't think theres enough time in the day.

800 keys times 5,000 blth faction to buy them. 4 mil total balth earned.
100 keys per person still 500,000 faction in one day.

Ate of DK

Ate of DK

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Netherlands

None but Fools [nuts]

Quote:
Originally Posted by superraptors View Post
mmm champ point farmers can easily make 800 keys a night
Offcourse...

Fail.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by superraptors View Post
mmm champ point farmers can easily make 800 keys a night
I think he's talking about exploiting a certain "feature" of the way that ladder matches currently work. Presumably (I GvGed heavily, but waaaay back in the day), in addition to the false victory needed to +1 the title track you also receive champ range faction for the false victory.

Do that enough times, and you'll get a lot of keys.

You should also get banned. But that's just one man's opinion.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

We had this conversation in AC few days ago. I never imagined so many people actually cared about this title. Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a totally different game.

obsidian ectoplasm

obsidian ectoplasm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
We had this conversation in AC few days ago. I never imagined so many people actually cared about this title. Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a totally different game.

everyone was QQing when this title came out, z title is for rich nabs

nows its OMG YOU HAVE Z RANK YOUR LEET!

superraptors

superraptors

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2008

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JASON626 View Post
800 zkey from a single person gvging in one night? doubtful.. even if everyone paid all there zkeys to one person they earned and charged. Setup time and time playing in match just don't think theres enough time in the day.

800 keys times 5,000 blth faction to buy them. 4 mil total balth earned.
100 keys per person still 500,000 faction in one day.

get a clue..

champ farmers

the runner charges 4zkey a point per a person, fill up the party with 7(or 8 if his running someone elses acc)

sync champ guilds it when americas off to bed

do about 30-42 runs a night? ( assuming this person has 4-8 champ guilds for sync rank 100-150 range, therefore u never see them on obs )

about 1-5minutes per point

and u probably will never intersect their matches as all party members most likely cross out GW when the guild faces an unknown one

thats 120-168 keys from 1 person / slot

now u do rest of the maths

hint: service section of ventaris

wouldnt take long to achieve max zrank at all about 1 months of work or less if he does frequently

not saying people with high zrank did this but this is possibly the fastest/easiest way

also they can make more champ points in a week more than any top gvger can make in a month
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