Ok, don't get me wrong, I love bonus weekends and a year ago I would have been delighted every month or so when there was some nice bonus points for chests/arenas or the like but nowadays there have been weekend events every week essentially. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but a lot of weapon prices have begun deflating and I blame the zchest for this. Why? Well a lot of the bonus weekends have involved double balthazar faction and as a result the price of z-keys have fallen roughly. From 4.7k-5.2k, they've now fallen to the range of like 4k-4.2k. (my condolences to everyone who tried converting their ecto wealth to zkeys)My stash of zkeys dropped precariously and I've personally lost a lot of wealth, but it's far more than that.
For some one who makes items from pvp, it's kinda devastating, how much rare items have lost value. All the cheap zkeys from easy faction have devalued a lot of the high end items that would drop from pve areas. Right now the double faction weekends have been devastating to prices, the supply market has been flooded with cheap items. I don't think many people realize this and I just want to bring some attention to this subject. I know most people trade in ectos but zkeys have driven the price down for everything and it does affect the pve economy too. I think that given a few more series of easy faction bonus weekends and the whole gw economy might fall apart and devalue at this rate. I think arenanet should go back to a few bonus weekends every few months like they did before so this doesn't happen because if they don't the economy is going to tank harder than it is irl.
Bonus weekends are screwing up the economy
awry
Coney
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Well a lot of the bonus weekends have involved double balthazar faction and as a result the price of z-keys have fallen roughly. From 4.7k-5.2k, they've now fallen to the range of like 4k-4.2k. (my condolences to everyone who tried converting their ecto wealth to zkeys)
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Black Metal
You are absolutely right. However most people like it this way. And it's a trend that's been continuing a long time. I doubt anything will change this, at least in terms of Anet policy changes. This is just how things are. Making things easy and cheaper bring more people into the fold, and more people = more accounts = more money.
Shadowmoon
zchest does not drop all skins
zchest does not drop most of the skins
Devalue of weapon skins it because people have already gotten them who want them, like tormented weapons. It has nothing 2 due with the zchest or pvp weekends. It seems like a qq thread about how zkeys price have gone south, and the forecast shows no change.
zchest does not drop most of the skins
Devalue of weapon skins it because people have already gotten them who want them, like tormented weapons. It has nothing 2 due with the zchest or pvp weekends. It seems like a qq thread about how zkeys price have gone south, and the forecast shows no change.
Yawgmoth
Bonus weekends do close to nothing compared to what FREE zkeys from Xunlai House do. Bonus weekends at least require active playing. Zkeys will drop below 3k if Xunlai House will continue to operate the way it does now, as people just get more and more accounts into it, and lots of new players get to know about it every month.
The only event which actually affected zkey price was the 2-weeks long Wintersday which included Snowball ATS which rewarded massive amounts of reward points, much bigger than GvG ATS do. But that still was at least about active playing (and luck getting Dwayna side).
Rewarding for playing is good, rewarding for nothing is terribad.
The only event which actually affected zkey price was the 2-weeks long Wintersday which included Snowball ATS which rewarded massive amounts of reward points, much bigger than GvG ATS do. But that still was at least about active playing (and luck getting Dwayna side).
Rewarding for playing is good, rewarding for nothing is terribad.
MMSDome
Solution: Remove XTH and prices will return back to normal. PvE'ers dont deserve the keys anyway!
awry
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zchest does not drop all skins
zchest does not drop most of the skins Devalue of weapon skins it because people have already gotten them who want them, like tormented weapons. It has nothing 2 due with the zchest or pvp weekends. It seems like a qq thread about how zkeys price have gone south, and the forecast shows no change. |
I'm not sure about the whole xulnai tournament thing. Sure the reward system should be fixed, but just how many people buy 20+ accounts to farm for fake money? I mean come on, that's really sad.
Island Guardian
your 100% wrong.
The reason for the price in the z key was the screw up where people have gotten double the amount they normally do. For example i was supposed to get 100 points, which i did but later the next day i went back to GToB and got 100 more. People have generated double and so the price drop. Getting double faction does nothing on that scale at all. Next Just because the price of say a Z key goes down dosent mean that the price of an item goes down with it. You can have an item worth 200 e\z if all of a sudden z keys go to 1k per that doesnt mean the items is worth 200k, it means more z keys will be needed to achieve the items value. This has happaned before and there were no major problems. The reason why you see the actual dropping in VALUE of an item is because there are more via drops in game or from the chest.
there fore the weekend Events shall and will continue and you need to relook at the True effects.
The reason for the price in the z key was the screw up where people have gotten double the amount they normally do. For example i was supposed to get 100 points, which i did but later the next day i went back to GToB and got 100 more. People have generated double and so the price drop. Getting double faction does nothing on that scale at all. Next Just because the price of say a Z key goes down dosent mean that the price of an item goes down with it. You can have an item worth 200 e\z if all of a sudden z keys go to 1k per that doesnt mean the items is worth 200k, it means more z keys will be needed to achieve the items value. This has happaned before and there were no major problems. The reason why you see the actual dropping in VALUE of an item is because there are more via drops in game or from the chest.
there fore the weekend Events shall and will continue and you need to relook at the True effects.
awry
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Solution: Remove XTH and prices will return back to normal. PvE'ers dont deserve the keys anyway!
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Nessar
XTH Pretty much killed the price of zkeys. Once more people found out and bought more accounts, there went the zkey price.
Personally I know a few people, including me, who have predicted on 3+ accounts just for more zkeys.
So, its not so much the weekends, its XTH
Personally I know a few people, including me, who have predicted on 3+ accounts just for more zkeys.
So, its not so much the weekends, its XTH
RedNova88
The thing is that if you get rid of the XTH then who will have Z-keys then? They'll go way back up in prices, and only the already freakishly rich and the more hardcore PvPers will have them. Who cares if they go down in value? It's happened to everything else in this game that used to be worth a fortune. Dead Swords went from being worth a ton to being merch trash, and elemental swords are pretty much the same story. Anything of value instantly becomes over farmed in this game, and it's been that way since day one. There's nothing that can be done that will actually fix the problem. Enjoy it while it lasts and laugh at those that bought tons of accounts.
Gun Pierson
XTH = legal ebay hosted by Anet and it actually works and they get revenue from it, which is good for GW2 and the connections with NCSoft. Another thing to notice is that players give gold for z-keys, it's a trade amongst players. The gold doesn't come directly from npc's etc.
Z-keys will continue to drop in value imo till they balance out around 1-2k I guess. The point where players rather open the chest themselves instead of selling for that price.
Z-keys will continue to drop in value imo till they balance out around 1-2k I guess. The point where players rather open the chest themselves instead of selling for that price.
Ate of DK
I agree, the Xunlai Tournament House should be removed from the game. There hasn't been a single month without people complaining about it. They could spend their resources (2 people?!) on improving the game.
Coney
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Solution: Remove XTH and prices will return back to normal. PvE'ers dont deserve the keys anyway!
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Shayne Hawke
Remove XTH. This free shit for nothing was a bad idea to start with, and it's easy to see how poor everything's become because of it.
jiggles
People are still whining about the economy 4 years after the game comes out? ohno make belive money is worthless. The irony nearly kills me tbh.
Nessar
I doubt anet will remove XTH, maybe make zkeys cost more tourny points, but not totally remove it.
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[Morkai]
The whole XTH system caused this. Anet will not remove it, because it's driven up thier game sales like crazy. Like they care what an in game player base thinks as long as they drag on the life of a dying game for a few more months.
Right?
Right?
awry
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People are still whining about the economy 4 years after the game comes out? ohno make belive money is worthless. The irony nearly kills me tbh.
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jiggles
Oh no im not saying get a life, mainly because im not a "hypocrit", nor do i have what any modern soceity would call 'a life'. Im just saying why whine about shit you cant change? Unless anet is going to do a massive server rollback to before the XTH was introduced upsetting the majority of their userbase in the process, zkeys are going to diminish in value. Get over it. How is starting a thread on a fan forum about how non existent money is diminishing in value going to do, anything?
If it really makes you that sad though, remember it's down the road, not across the street.
If it really makes you that sad though, remember it's down the road, not across the street.
Martin Alvito
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People are still whining about the economy 4 years after the game comes out? ohno make belive money is worthless. The irony nearly kills me tbh.
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What upsets people is when the developers devalue time that was *already spent* acquiring make believe money. People can't adjust their behavior to account for the caprice of the devs, as the community isn't informed of these changes (or their material impacts) in advance.
Can you see how this would upset rational people? Just because other people don't share your values doesn't make them irrational or idiots.
t3dw4rd0
Looks like this has turned into yet another "XTH screwed up GW" thread, so I'll put in my two cents:
1. Like everyone else is saying, the drop in zkey prices is because of XTH mostly, but I think some of the recent drops (aka the bigger ones) have been because of double points, which has mistakenly happened TWICE (if I've heard correctly).
2. On Topic: Weekends have nothing to do with it, in fact, as far as I recall, weekend events have been happening every weekend for as long as I can remember. The balth faction makes no difference.
3. The fake economy died a loooonnnngggg time ago.
1. Like everyone else is saying, the drop in zkey prices is because of XTH mostly, but I think some of the recent drops (aka the bigger ones) have been because of double points, which has mistakenly happened TWICE (if I've heard correctly).
2. On Topic: Weekends have nothing to do with it, in fact, as far as I recall, weekend events have been happening every weekend for as long as I can remember. The balth faction makes no difference.
3. The fake economy died a loooonnnngggg time ago.
awry
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Oh no im not saying get a life, mainly because im not a "hypocrit", nor do i have what any modern soceity would call 'a life'. Im just saying why whine about shit you cant change? Unless anet is going to do a massive server rollback to before the XTH was introduced upsetting the majority of their userbase in the process, zkeys are going to diminish in value. Get over it. How is starting a thread on a fan forum about how non existent money is diminishing in value going to do, anything?
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stanzhao
haha, when hasnt the GW economy been RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed?
ever since perma sins and uw speed clears the price in everthing has gone down. remember when ectos were 9k a pop? and went down to 3k at one point. and shards were 800g?
dont start a QQ thread because just z-keys have gone down. try and think about why they have gone down. just like everything else in GW. they messeed up the z-key points this month and last month. so prices will drop for a while, while more z-keys circulate the market.
when it gets back to normal they will pop up to 5kish as they were before, once all the nublettes are done trying to get a quick sale.
ever since perma sins and uw speed clears the price in everthing has gone down. remember when ectos were 9k a pop? and went down to 3k at one point. and shards were 800g?
dont start a QQ thread because just z-keys have gone down. try and think about why they have gone down. just like everything else in GW. they messeed up the z-key points this month and last month. so prices will drop for a while, while more z-keys circulate the market.
when it gets back to normal they will pop up to 5kish as they were before, once all the nublettes are done trying to get a quick sale.
jiggles
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It costs time to get make believe money.
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What upsets people is when the developers devalue time that was *already spent* acquiring make believe money. People can't adjust their behavior to account for the caprice of the devs, as the community isn't informed of these changes (or their material impacts) in advance.
Can you see how this would upset rational people? Just because other people don't share your values doesn't make them irrational or idiots. |
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I was wondering when the "omg you guys fail for having an opinion, go kill yourself" guy would come along too.
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Talic
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haha, when hasnt the GW economy been RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed?
ever since perma sins and uw speed clears the price in everthing has gone down. remember when ectos were 9k a pop? and went down to 3k at one point. and shards were 800g? dont start a QQ thread because just z-keys have gone down. try and think about why they have gone down. just like everything else in GW. they messeed up the z-key points this month and last month. so prices will drop for a while, while more z-keys circulate the market. when it gets back to normal they will pop up to 5kish as they were before, once all the nublettes are done trying to get a quick sale. |
edit: Whoops, almost forgot that bonus weekends are a good thing despite what they may do as they get people doing things in game at least.
Verene
People with 20 accounts for XTH are not what's causing the Zkey price to drop. Why? Because the number of people with a bunch of accounts for that purpose is such a tiny number of total GW players as to be nearly negligible. It's a tiny percentage of people who are on this forum, and forumgoers themselves are a tiny percentage of players.
The reason the prices have dropped so much recently is because things have been messed up the last couple months. I agree with stanzhao - things will even out and then go back up to where it used to be for Zkeys.
The reason the prices have dropped so much recently is because things have been messed up the last couple months. I agree with stanzhao - things will even out and then go back up to where it used to be for Zkeys.
HawkofStorms
The economy was messed up LONG before the z-chest was implemented.
And a fluctuating price of z-keys... laugh. They are overvalued anyways (5k for a creme or a gold you will just merchant).
And a fluctuating price of z-keys... laugh. They are overvalued anyways (5k for a creme or a gold you will just merchant).
byteme!
Wait.....
We get a ton of "FREE" Zkeys every month and we're complaining about it's value??? Maybe Anet should take away all the "FREE" keys the OP and anyone like minded have gotten. The price will go back up for sure, except you can't have them for free anymore. How does that sound?
Anet should spoil you people less. Then you'll really have something to whine about.
We get a ton of "FREE" Zkeys every month and we're complaining about it's value??? Maybe Anet should take away all the "FREE" keys the OP and anyone like minded have gotten. The price will go back up for sure, except you can't have them for free anymore. How does that sound?
Anet should spoil you people less. Then you'll really have something to whine about.
Jensy
Guildie of mine got keys three times last month (not this very last round), I got mine doubled. Ended up with a lot left, because I had hoped the price would go back up. It didn't, and I ended up with more to sell when anet said "oh, here, take all the points you earned, and we'll forgive the debt'. I expect this was the problem many people ran into, where the demand was far less than the supply. This is basic stuff, you guys.
If you can remember back far enough, keys were maybe 2.5-3k when the xth first started, it was only after they started churning out the damn title and tonics that the price went up. If we don't get any new tonics after April (as the calendar suggests), then they'll likely stabilize at 3-4, regardless of how many keys are out there.
If you can remember back far enough, keys were maybe 2.5-3k when the xth first started, it was only after they started churning out the damn title and tonics that the price went up. If we don't get any new tonics after April (as the calendar suggests), then they'll likely stabilize at 3-4, regardless of how many keys are out there.
Martin Alvito
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Wait.....
We get a ton of "FREE" Zkeys every month and we're complaining about it's value??? Maybe Anet should take away all the "FREE" keys the OP and anyone like minded have gotten. The price will go back up for sure, except you can't have them for free anymore. How does that sound? Anet should spoil you people less. Then you'll really have something to whine about. |
Perhaps an illustration will make this concept easier to grasp.
Suppose you already have lots of zkeys, ectos and armbraces that you invested time acquiring.
Suddenly ANet makes it really easy for other people to get said ectos/zkeys/armbraces. (Ex: 2007 dupe, XTH, perma SF)
The price of everything rare goes up dramatically, because there are tons and tons of new ectos, zkeys and armbraces in the system.
The value of the time you invested previously drops. The contents of your storage are now worth, say, 30% less than they were before in terms of in-game gold. But the real value (what you can actually buy with the contents of your storage) may have been cut by 70-90%. Yes, the numbers were that bad during the dupe.
dilan155
they shouldn't have invented the z-key or the chest in the first place, ofc im not complaining much cause i do make money this way though its only with one account and the max key i got was like 16 compared to 100+ keys some people get by using alt accounts, hey if you got the account might as well use em. there were some bonus weekends that wrecked GW, but the thing is there really isnt much they can do for the weekends by limiting all pvp weekends.
awry
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Wait.....
We get a ton of "FREE" Zkeys every month and we're complaining about it's value??? Maybe Anet should take away all the "FREE" keys the OP and anyone like minded have gotten. The price will go back up for sure, except you can't have them for free anymore. How does that sound? Anet should spoil you people less. Then you'll really have something to whine about. |
Ate of DK
True, sometimes you wonder what you played/farmed for. Go to the mediamarkt, saw them sell GuildWars for €10,--. Buy 3 new accounts, register them. Get 100 points each account every month (not that hard) and you end up with 60 z. Keys! And 12 new character slots you can use as mules... How much was it to buy a new character slot for your old account? It's a joke.
Need More Donuts
I have to agree somewhat these bonus weekends have driven down the z keys price quite a bit taking away a huge chunk of my income it's
Minako Sawai
Really funny seeing PvPer's going on about how those darn PvEers don't deserve z-keys, considering that the XTH freebies have greatly increased the interest level in PvP among most of the PvEers (including me) that I know. They are now watching the tournament matches (or just regular ones), talking about the different guilds playing, and getting more interested in playing PvP because "it looks like fun!"
So Anet has a feature that not only gives away free stuff, but also increases the interest in a part of the game that many players might otherwise ignore. Seems like a win-win for all of us to me.
So Anet has a feature that not only gives away free stuff, but also increases the interest in a part of the game that many players might otherwise ignore. Seems like a win-win for all of us to me.
awry
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Really funny seeing PvPer's going on about how those darn PvEers don't deserve z-keys, considering that the XTH freebies have greatly increased the interest level in PvP among most of the PvEers (including me) that I know. They are now watching the tournament matches (or just regular ones), talking about the different guilds playing, and getting more interested in playing PvP because "it looks like fun!"
So Anet has a feature that not only gives away free stuff, but also increases the interest in a part of the game that many players might otherwise ignore. Seems like a win-win for all of us to me. |
Jensy
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Really funny seeing PvPer's going on about how those darn PvEers don't deserve z-keys, considering that the XTH freebies have greatly increased the interest level in PvP among most of the PvEers (including me) that I know. They are now watching the tournament matches (or just regular ones), talking about the different guilds playing, and getting more interested in playing PvP because "it looks like fun!"
So Anet has a feature that not only gives away free stuff, but also increases the interest in a part of the game that many players might otherwise ignore. Seems like a win-win for all of us to me. |
This. This is me exactly!
Skyy High
Wait, wait, you think faction bonus weekends are the reason there are so many Zkeys around?
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Taixen
Instead of completely removing the XTH System, wouldn't it make more sense to decrease the amount of keys that you can obtain per account? (Possibly a point made already, haven't read in detail).
Hopefully the prices will sort themselves out with the April Update, which will hopefully contain a few balances/ changes to problematic skills.
Also, removing the XTH would get rid of people QQ'ing about not getting their free stuff on time, which is always slightly amusing to see each month.
Hopefully the prices will sort themselves out with the April Update, which will hopefully contain a few balances/ changes to problematic skills.
Also, removing the XTH would get rid of people QQ'ing about not getting their free stuff on time, which is always slightly amusing to see each month.