HM/Vanquish With Sabway?

Cummins Turbo Diesel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2009

N/Me

Im running sabway with myself being a SS necro.
So that leaves me with a free Hero slot.
Me - SS necro
Olias - MM
Whispers - Resto

What build should I bring for my 3rd hero?? I have all skills unlocked.
Also what henchies do u recomend I use. I'm bearly going to start playing in Hard mode.
Thanks for the help.

infamous16

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Rt/

When I run one of the builds that a hero usually runs, I bring a [icy veins] hero

sickle of carnage

sickle of carnage

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

Textual Harassment [kTHX]

I run SS and have my hero run SS anyway, but with variations in the build to achieve maximum damage

Cummins Turbo Diesel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2009

N/Me

Would a Searing heat Elem go good with this? Or not in HM?

subarucar

subarucar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

New Zealand

None

AoE nukes are crap damage wise in HM. I would get the last hero to run something with skills like Icy Veins and Putrid Bile. Or change your own build to an AP build similiar to the one used with Discordway.

talisk3

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2008

[YUM]

R/

[Broad Head Arrow] ranger would help.
If you want more support a earth magic elementalist would help.

Cummins Turbo Diesel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2009

N/Me

Thanks for the suggestions guys.
Anyone got a build that a Hero can run with Icy Viens?

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

since it's soul reaping, u can go into w/e u want. death magic for some dmg, conditions, maybe more minions. curse for more shutdown and degen pressure. blood for wells and life steal dmg. just improvise ;-)

.HunTer

.HunTer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

W/E

I'm SS necro and I use this build on my 3rd hero:
[IV;OANTUWj+Uqm50RBMBMgoeoqSmA]
Soul Reaping: 11+1+2
Death: 11+1
Protection: 10

Works very well

dasmitchies

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Sacred Forge Knights

W/P

When I run my necro, instead of bringing another necro I brink Dunkoro as a Smite/Ray type. It helps immensly.

Alex Dimitri

Alex Dimitri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Passionate Kiss Of Nosferatu [KISS]

N/Mo

@OP

If u have EOTN get Livia and make triple Discord build (u can get a lot of builds on PVXWIKI) it kicks ass in HM (and demolishes everything in NM) even better than the Subway!

Joseph Spiritmaster

Joseph Spiritmaster

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

In the little house on the hill, Ascalon City, Presearing

If you need the extra healing, toss in another N/Rt Healer works.... i usually run

Rt/R (me) Splinter Volley
N/Rt Healer with WoR and Life
N/Rt Healer with Xinraes Wep and Rejuv
Rt/N MM Explosive Bomber (AotL or Jagged, doesnt matter)

Works wonders for me.

MattJJ

MattJJ

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Singapore

N/Mo

You could run as a mop nuker while letting the heroes be sabway.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:N/A_Mark_of_Pain_Nuker

at least thats what i'm doing and i use my own variants.

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

You could run a Paragon with Support. Or, add a warrior! Or, even (gasp!) add Gwen! A Dunkoro with Ray of Judgement Smiting Build for even more condition and hex removal.

I run Sabway in HM with my characters. But on occasion, a non-necro hero in one slot or another can make more sense depending on the map.

brakner

brakner

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

Vancouver, B.C.

Glade Runners [GR]

R/P

When I play my Nec I run him as SS / MoP, ctr-clk MoP then tab for SS

N/Rt Curses Me
[build prof=N/Rt sou=9+1 cur=12+1+1 prot=9][Spiteful Spirit][Mark of Pain][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Weaken Armor][Necrosis][Signet of Lost Souls][Aegis][/build]

N/Rt Healer Livia
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1+1 res=12 cha=10][ Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Splinter Weapon][Death Pact Signet][/build]

N/Mo Jagged Bomber’s Olias , Masters

[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 hea=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Infuse Condition][Foul Feast][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=8+1 prot=10][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Shield of Absorption][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]



I run 2 MM’s with Minions because its the same for corpses as a single Horror/Fiends MM and 20 Minions makes for a huge wall and massive Nova deaths heh. Not to mention Mark of Pain, Barbs and Splinter Weapon is just sick with 20 minions


I also run a Discord varient that has Discord on them and I still retain my Curses for condition/hex marking

Coney

Coney

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2008

How about a [ray of judgment] monk with something like [dwayna's sorrow]? Would seem to be a nice AOE damage/healer with condition/hex removal, without the scatter...

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Run another Resto or RoJ, but for a necro I would recommend AP Ebon Sin spiker instead of SS and Discord heroes instead of sabway.

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fb_7

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Well, I'm a player coming back after a 1 year break and I'm in the same situation as the OP so i'll post in this thread instead of making my own. For most of EotN HM, i used a paragon hero with [Skill]Defensive Anthem[/Skill] and the restoration chants.

I'm looking to optimize my hero builds, can someone post a specific [Skill]Ray of Judgment[/Skill] build that synergies with Sabway assuming your running the SS necro? I read about that a lot on these forums since people say it's really good.

Critiques/Recommendations on my Player-ran SS build. I know it sucks, but it got me Legendary Master of the North through abusing Pain inverter, Ebon sin and Consumables.
[N/Me;OAVCY8xUewSgQjcZV1N4uzuI]

Cummins Turbo Diesel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2009

N/Me

Should I switch to Discodway better in HM?? I used Sabway in NM fairly easy.
Currently working on Proph Missions/bonus.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Igor View Post
No u

Get rid of [reckless haste] it doesn't work on half the mobs on HM, get rid of ebon sin you have nothing to abuse it with, get more [enfeebling blood] and [insidious parasite] and maybe [cry of pain]/[finish him!] too.
Fine.
Reckless Haste will only reduce the chance enemies hit you in HM, they can't attack any faster.
If you're going to bring the ebon sin, bring Mark of Pain. In fact, bring Mark of Pain anyway.
You can bring Cry of Pain too...
I myself would recommend dispensing with SS and taking Assassin's Promise instead.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cummins Turbo Diesel View Post
Should I switch to Discodway better in HM?? I used Sabway in NM fairly easy.
Currently working on Proph Missions/bonus. Discordway is superior, but requires a tiny bit more coordination to run.
And NM is no means to judge a build on - virtually anything will run in there and most of the time pose little challenge.

Paul Dawg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

House of Myrthe (HoMe)

W/

Puh-leeze tell me what's a "better option" than an AoE hex that causes foes to miss 50% of the time with attacks.

I think it's cute when people tell me things like "X is crap." I finished every HM zone, dungeon, and mission in the entire game with MoW faithfully bringing that "crap."

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fb_7

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Well these are my new builds after updating them a bit.
Me - (i'm not a fan of mark of pain or assassins promise, last slot is whatever PvE skill i feel like using at the time)
[N;OABCY8xUeQZgdgcZV1N4uDAA]
Livia
[N/Mo;OANDUslfSLVVBKgoBJg1DBEVVA]
Olias
[N/Rt;OAhiYwh8YtzYSzJ3wccWVTuA]
Ogden
[Mo;OwAS4YIP+MrPel67S2Hu1qP]

Seemed to work fine. The RoJ build is just something i threw together without thinking about it, since i hear people saying how awesome it is. But Ogden seem to constantly be low on energy. In general how are these builds?

Osi Ri S

Osi Ri S

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

N/

Give the Ogden build to MoW and he will never have to worry about energy, if you dont mind the 12 smiting cap. (obviously sub in another skill for smiters boon.)

BrettM

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

My 2 cents: On Ogden's build, leave out the Judge's Intervention and the Scourge Healing. Make him secondary ele and add GoLE and Divine Spirit. Or replace the two skills with a couple of signets, such as Rage and Bane. Or some combination of both e-management and signet.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

Mark of Pain isn't a substitute for Reckless Haste if you want an AoE hex. However, you'd be a fool not to bring Mark of Pain.
For an AoE hex, Reckless Haste is nice as it prevents monsters from hitting you as often as they otherwise might. In HM though, the advantages stop there. It's also the only option with SS, as things like Shadow of Fear will reduce the damage done from SS.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

Mark of Pain is probably the most powerful spell in the Curses line from a PvE perspective.

Yes, it has a 20 second recharge and if, after you cast it, you don't get the desired affect, this really hurts. However, when it goes right, it can decimate the better part of a large mob. Placed correctly and used with a MM and some other physicals, no other skill comes close.
A 40/40 set sometimes helps the problem of a long recharge.

The scatter issue is rarely a problem. Mark of Pain is usually triggered so rapidly by minions and the like, that the mob suffers huge amounts of damage before their scatter instinct kicks in. Obviously this may not apply if you're not bringing a MM.


I would like to know what you would take in place of MoP.

Cummins Turbo Diesel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2009

N/Me

Update.
I recently switched to Discordway to try it. I'm running my 3 necro heros with the builds of PvXwiki. I myself is still running Curses SS necro with MoP, barbs, Enfeeling blood.
So far Im liking this team build. I seem to handle larger groups of mobs a lil better than Sabway, and with all 3 heros making minions takes alot of pressure off.
Only problem i see is where Corpses a low or not available.
Will keep running this team for now.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

PvXwiki is notorious for giving fairly terrible builds. It's version of the Discord team is no exception.
The only thing it gets right in my view, is the player build. If you're running Discord spam, I seriously recommend that you, as the player, run something like this:

[build prof=N/A Deadly=10 Soul=11+1 Curses=10+1+2][Assassin's promise][You Move like a Dwarf][Finish Him!][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Enfeebling Blood][Mark of Pain][/build] - two optional skills. Really, only the first 4 are necessary and almost any class can run it. You'll be pushed to fit the 4 extras in during play.

Discord teams are superior to Sabway, but don't be fooled into thinking it's the most effective option.

Cummins Turbo Diesel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2009

N/Me

If the PvXwiki build is garbage, what skills should my heros running?
Im new to discordway, so just went off what they got listed there.
Thx for any help.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

Well, it's not as bad as it used to be.
I prefer to only dedicate one hero to having minion skills, but that's a personal thing.
That hero should then be given Blood of the Master along with any monk skills you deem suitable.
I'd give another hero a few more curses skills (Barbs, maby Enfeebling blood). I might add a few Restoration skills.
Another one would be a pure N/Rt healer (with Discord obviously).

There's a lot of possible variation in it, which is one of the pros for Discord teams.