Hero Teams

[build prof=Mo/Me name="HB Mimicry" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+2 Hea=12+1+3 Ins=8 pve][Ethereal Light][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Healer's Boon][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Heal Party][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/E name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=12+1+3 Pro=12+2 pve][Dismiss Condition][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Spirit Bond][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Deny Hexes][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][/build] Ok... so I'm thinking maybe

[build prof=Mo/Me name="HB Mimicry" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Hea=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Cure Hex][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Healer's Boon][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Heal Party][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Pro=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Mend Condition][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Divine Intervention][Unyielding Aura][/build]

Personally, I've never really been a fan of [[GoLE] for E-management, I much prefer the interupt of [[Power Drain]. I also threw in [[Divine Intervention] because with past usage experience, heroes use it really well and I'm gonna give [[Waste Not, Want Not] a shot, I'll let you know how it goes.

That works extremely well together, I also brought along my Rt/N Minion Bomber... Tested this in several HM locations and managed to hold the pressure of several large groups without fail...

[build prof=Rt/N name=Explosive Minions desc="Set hero on avoid combat.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Spa=12+1+1 Dea=12 pve][Animate Bone Minions][Aura of the Lich][Blood of the Master][Death Nova][Boon of Creation][Explosive Growth][Signet of Creation][Spirit's Gift][/build] Or just use a necro MM with Foul Feast, Infuse Condition, Dwayna's Sorrow, ..etc.

Ok... so I'm thinking maybe

[build prof=Mo/Me name="HB Mimicry" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Hea=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Cure Hex][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Healer's Boon][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Heal Party][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Pro=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Mend Condition][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Divine Intervention][Unyielding Aura][/build]

Personally, I've never really been a fan of [[GoLE] for E-management, I much prefer the interupt of [[Power Drain]. I also threw in [[Divine Intervention] because with past usage experience, heroes use it really well and I'm gonna give [[Waste Not, Want Not] a shot, I'll let you know how it goes.
I personally dislike one heal and one prot monk hero teams because you lose out on damage greatly, that is unless you run 6 heroes ofc. I dont really like UA/HB Miicry on heroes either because it's simply not worth the effort making them mimicry stuff but w/e.

thats what I suggest:

[build prof=Mo/Me box Heal=12+1+1 Div=10+1 Ins=8 pve][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Cure Hex][Heal Party][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Healer's Boon][Arcane Mimicry][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1 Pro=11+1+1 Ins=8 pve][Dismiss Condition][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Shield of Absorption][Heaven's Delight][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Unyielding Aura][/build]

Ok now first of all, never...and I say NEVER run superiors and especially superiors when you already have a major rune stuck somewhere the small bonus they would give to the skills is simply not worth the large health loss. Only in rare cases ONE superior or major can be useful if you have to hit an important breakpoint but it doesn't apply here.

I changed your build around in this way, the team uses same concept with same energy management but with better skills.
I dont like [healing whisper], anything that makes your monk go closer to the fronline is simply bad. I replaced it with [dwayna's kiss], with so many enchants flying around it's a great powerheal especially when combined with [healer's boon].
For the US guy [dismiss condition] is much better, can target self, slightly more heal, same recharge and cast and the conditional healing bit simply does not exist because everything has some kind of ench on it. [divine intervention] is useless, you dont die in pve, especially with two players and six heroes, if you die then something went wrong and youre wiping, in that case being alive slightly more won't matter. I dont see it for pulling or countering boss damage either, for that job prot spirit > all. On other hand Heaven's Delight is a very good cheap party wide heal when combine with UA and heroes use it well. RoF, heroes suck at RoF but are good with [shield of absorption]. ^^

Ok... allow me to restate the topic.

I'm looking to come up with a large compilation of general hero builds that will synergize well with other hero and player builds. I'm not looking for builds such as Discordway or Sabway, etc... Basically I would like to turn this into a large discussion and the overall goal would be to come up with a vast amount of hero builds that when put with other hero builds would work extremely well (possibly even better than the gimmick builds that everyone uses today).

So I'll start off with a few hero monk builds that I hope to improve:

[build prof=Mo/Me name="Unyielding Healer" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=12+1+3 Hea=10+2 Ins=8 pve][Ethereal Light][Healing Whisper][Patient Spirit][Signet of Rejuvenation][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me name="Unyielding Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=12+1+3 Pro=10+2 Ins=8 pve][Dismiss Condition][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Shielding Hands][Leech Signet][Power Drain][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][/build]

Any suggestions?
To be honest this is where you been closest to the bullseye in terms of monks. UA/HB Mimicry with heroes is bullshit like I have said before, good with two players in elite mission and things but it's just not hero-firendly.

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1+1 Hea=10+1 prot=8+1 insp=6 pve][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][Power Drain][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1+1 Hea=10+1 prot=8+1 insp=6 pve][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Aegis][Divine Healing][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][Power Drain][/build]

Interrupts, great party-wide heals, great target heals, condition/hex removal, almost perma block from aegis chain....what else do you need to stay elive in PvE? ^^

Divine Healing or Cure Hex can be replaced for Shield of Absorption or Guardian for the second monk, DH and HD can be replaced with Heal Party for bar compression if needed. Cure Hex can be replaced with Deny Hexes but honestly you often dont need this much hex removal in PvE.

To be honest this is where you been closest to the bullseye in terms of monks. UA/HB Mimicry with heroes is bullshit like I have said before, good with two players in elite mission and things but it's just not hero-firendly.

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1+1 Hea=10+1 prot=8+1 insp=6 pve][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][Power Drain][/build]

[build prof=Mo/Me box Div=11+1+1 Hea=10+1 prot=8+1 insp=6 pve][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Aegis][Divine Healing][Heaven's Delight][Unyielding Aura][Power Drain][/build]

Interrupts, great party-wide heals, great target heals, condition/hex removal, almost perma block from aegis chain....what else do you need to stay elive in PvE? ^^

Divine Healing or Cure Hex can be replaced for Shield of Absorption or Guardian for the second monk, DH and HD can be replaced with Heal Party for bar compression if needed. Cure Hex can be replaced with Deny Hexes but honestly you often dont need this much hex removal in PvE. You know Igor, I feel compelled to agree with you because people say we have always been arguing with each other. But if I have to agree with you even though I think it is a bad build then I am just not being honest.

At least with your post just before this one, I can agree with the top half but this build is just too energy draining for one. What happens if you are not fighting casters (or they are dead) but a melee group and you need energy? You have no spells to interrupt and no energy management.

Besides patient spirit there are no direct heals and patient has a 2s delay for heals. Sometimes you just need direct heals on the spot. You also dont need 3 copies of party heals. Heroes also dont use dismiss condition or cure hex as direct heals.

Also I dont see how your dual UA is any superior to UA+HB mimicry, seems inferior to me. HB stacks with UA for a huge amount of heal. To calculate how much the HB build heals if you cast UA at 14 Divine Favor, just multiply what the spell originally says it heals for by 2.355, round to the nearest whole number, then add 35 for divine favor. Example, Ethereal Light at 14 heal prayers says it heals for 95, so 95x2.355=223.725. Rounded it is 224+35 for Divine Favor in 1/2 seconds for 5 energy. You still lose 2 heroes to damage and the only other reason you said was "bullshit" without explaining why it is not hero-friendly.

Looking at his protter build again, there is also a problem:

[build prof=Mo/Me name="UA Protter" desc="Set hero on guard.{br}Staff with HP+60 and 20/20." Div=10+1+3 Pro=12+2 Ins=8 pve][Mend Condition][Aegis][Protective Spirit][Reversal of Fortune][Power Drain][Waste Not, Want Not][Divine Intervention][Unyielding Aura][/build]

He should at least keep Heaven's Delight or its counterpart. Otherwise, he is not making use of UA other than a res and for the other monk to mimic.

Still wondering why the OP is bringing [unyielding aura (pve)] on a prot monk. Use a more appropriate elite (I recommended [restore condition] so that you can drop the less effective [dismiss condition] or [mend condition]), and, with the remaining slot, use a real res like [rebirth]. An elite condition removal is not often used, except in pvp, and special circumstances in PvE. PvE monks have better use of that elite slot than to remove all conditions and can't even self target. Even bringing a necro with Foul Feast would be more useful and most of all, it doesn't take up the elite slot.

I've always liked the paragon Leadership and Motivation skills, but was never that blown away by the Spear skills, which often have better alternatives in other professions. Spear Mastery just eats up more valuable attribute points leaving you with little else for a secondary. Spear paragons also have to spend a lot of time attacking to build up adrenaline, instead of using chants.

[build prof=p/rt moti=12 lead=12 chan=10][Song of Restoration][Ballad of Restoration][Anthem of Flame][Aria of Zeal][Lyric of Zeal][Blazing Finale][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Aggression][/build]
This guy wields a Channeling Rod + a Motivation shield, and is set on passive. You know how when you put [Splinter Weapon] on one of your necros or other heroes, and it never casts it as often as you want? Well, you don't have to worry about that with this guy, he *spams* that skill almost on recharge, much more than any other character I've ever put it on, which makes me very happy. Regarding ressurection, I thought the builds Konker originally posted were fine without them. A monk should never be handling the res (even if it was something other than [[Rebirth]). Let the non-monk types handle it because res skills generally take a long time to cast. During this long time, your party's going to be missing out on healing/enchants and probably a lot worse off than if you weren't to res that fallen ally, especially in hard mode.

Man, I sound like I'm disagreeing with a lot of things here.

An elite condition removal is not often used, except in pvp, and special circumstances in PvE. PvE monks have better use of that elite slot than to remove all conditions and can't even self target. Even bringing a necro with Foul Feast would be more useful and most of all, it doesn't take up the elite slot.

If you are already carry Foul Feast and Infuse Condition, I see no reason to bring restore condition. For Zealous Benediction, heroes dont know how to use the 50% mark to get energy back.

I commend you for doing this. I'm pretty much in the same boat, and the only PvE skill I ever carry on me is Sunspear Rebirth signet. I just feel so much of the game was trivialized with the introduction of -WAY and PVE skills.

I want a challenge and to have fun, not simply steamroll everything with my 3 necros. you can steamroll everything without 3 necroes. o_O