FYI
Logitech G15 Keyboard Macro Warning
Ulyria
I got banned for using the macro function. It is considered a bot/3rd party program and against the EULA.
FYI
FYI
MatiPK
you got perma banned?
Puddin Cheeks
LOL, Fort Aspenwood or Jade Quarry and I am not sad for you if it was either of them.
wilebill
Ahoy, Anet! Would you please explain the policy on macro keyboards once more?
Eragon Zarroc
what exactly were u using the macro function to do. please explain in greater detail or do not post.
Lourens
Im also using a g15,
what do you macro in guildwars? :S
what do you macro in guildwars? :S
Dark-NighT
Ive been using emote macro's ever since i got this G15, never got me into trouble.
Anet previously stated that single command actions like for instance /Laugh is fine for a macro key. But entire keystrokes + mouse commands recorded on a single macro is not accepted.
Anet previously stated that single command actions like for instance /Laugh is fine for a macro key. But entire keystrokes + mouse commands recorded on a single macro is not accepted.
Karia Mirniman
Quoting from a review of that keyboard:
"Want to make a macro that selects every member in your party and casts a buff spell on them? It would take all of 20 seconds to set that up with the G15. Naturally, the macros can be set to run as fast as possible, with no pauses between virtual keystrokes.
Therefore OP, if you were being a dirty little cheater you deserved to be banned.
You must now go away and play a f2p grinder.
"Want to make a macro that selects every member in your party and casts a buff spell on them? It would take all of 20 seconds to set that up with the G15. Naturally, the macros can be set to run as fast as possible, with no pauses between virtual keystrokes.
Therefore OP, if you were being a dirty little cheater you deserved to be banned.
You must now go away and play a f2p grinder.
DoomFrost
I have a G15 keyboard, only use it for emotes or commands. I think that's the only safe way to use it. Anything else and your really risking your account.
Eduhard
I have a G15 keyboard, and unistalled drivers and G-series profiler, dont want my account banned ^^
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Painbringer
Basic key mapping should be fine
Macros for running here there attack use skill 1-8 bad (in combo)
You arn't the guy who mapped OWENED in characters like / \ ( ) | so it spelled a huge Owned over four different messages in all chat are you?????
Macros for running here there attack use skill 1-8 bad (in combo)
You arn't the guy who mapped OWENED in characters like / \ ( ) | so it spelled a huge Owned over four different messages in all chat are you?????
Yawgmoth
Anet's bot detection system may not see a difference in behavior of a software bot or a keyboard macro. And also what matters is what you used the macro for.
Snograt
I sympathise, Ulyria - the usage of macros has always been a grey area at best.
Would you mind telling us the extent of your macro usage so that those of us with G15s and similar don't fall into the same trap?
As for the rest of you, a little less of the "got wut u deserved, cheater" would be appreciated.
Would you mind telling us the extent of your macro usage so that those of us with G15s and similar don't fall into the same trap?
As for the rest of you, a little less of the "got wut u deserved, cheater" would be appreciated.
Empress Amarox
Do they care about macros to drink alcohol?
Snograt
It's been downplayed before (Gaile said something along the lines of "...we wouldn't look at a drunkard-bot in the same way as we would a full-on farm bot" - paraphrase, not an exact quote) - but since then, things have gradually got stricter. All you gwx2 users should be cautious too, a clampdown is suspected to be coming...
lewis91
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Originally Posted by Snograt
It's been downplayed before (Gaile said something along the lines of "...we wouldn't look at a drunkard-bot in the same way as we would a full-on farm bot" - paraphrase, not an exact quote) - but since then, things have gradually got stricter. All you gwx2 users should be cautious too, a clampdown is suspected to be coming...
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Snograt
That's our suspicion too. Doesn't make any sense though. The dual-clienting isn't used to actually farm anything - it's just used, as you said, to transfer all the goodies onto one account. That's nothing that couldn't be done with two PCs side by side.
Then again, this is all rumour and supposition - we don't know anything for certain.
Better to be safe than sorry, eh?
Then again, this is all rumour and supposition - we don't know anything for certain.
Better to be safe than sorry, eh?
lewis91
Yeh i suppose. Ive only got two accounts anyway so it isnt abig deal.
Zahr Dalsk
I use a G15 for macros and such. Each key set to use a particular skill (damage, usually) on a regular interval; the remainder are used for casts on different intervals (to disarm suspicion) and for movement.
I then play Gears of War 2 while I wait.
Fun shit
I then play Gears of War 2 while I wait.
Fun shit
pumpkin pie
hrmz so why did i even bother to buy a g15? gdi, and i don't even know how to use it yet.
fusa
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Originally Posted by Snograt
It's been downplayed before (Gaile said something along the lines of "...we wouldn't look at a drunkard-bot in the same way as we would a full-on farm bot" - paraphrase, not an exact quote) - but since then, things have gradually got stricter. All you gwx2 users should be cautious too, a clampdown is suspected to be coming...
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Sir Baddock
This is what I was told by support relating to Logitech G15 Keyboards
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Hello [Blank], You asked if your new programmable keyboard was acceptable to use for playing Guild Wars. “What if…?” questions such as this are always tough to answer, because they have not happened yet. Nevertheless, I’ll try to give you an understanding of what we might consider “right” and “wrong” when interacting with our service as it related to your new keyboard. Using your programmable keyboard as a normal keyboard would certainly be fine. A keyboard is a basic tool that is virtually required to operate a computer and use our service. Each time you press a key, one character is typed or one action is made to happen and, in general, that is acceptable. If you were somehow able to use your programmable keyboard to somewhat automate your gameplay experience, especially to the point where you did not have to attend your computer while your keyboard software “played” the game for you, then that would be considered against our User Agreement and subject to disciplinary action. (“You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.”) Somewhere in between those two scenarios is a grey area. We can’t make any “final judgments” on any grey area actions that have not yet occurred, and we will not speculate on all possible grey area scenarios and their outcomes. In general, please make sure that you are at your computer and playing your game. Ultimately, it is of utmost important to us that each character being played in Guild Wars is being operated by an actual person. We know this doesn’t provide a definitive rule that covered all possible scenarios, but still hope this helps your understanding of “helping one play” versus “playing for you” and what we would consider acceptable. Regards, GM ApplePython The Guild Wars Support Team |
Eragon Zarroc
so basicly, anything that would not require for the player to actually be at the keyboard playing the game is bannable. keys for emotes and the like require the player to be active, therefore do not fall under the ability of being banned. automated movements and actions, not so much.
Sir Baddock
Forgot to add something, using a Logitech G15's macro keys to press two buttons at once (Such as Space + , or Space + F1) clearly is an advantage as you're only pressing one button while other players need to push two.
I sure hope Guild Wars 2 has OFFICIAL Logitech G15 support, for now I'm stuck with my $100+ dollar keyboard with special features that I never get to use in my favorite games.
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Archress Shayleigh
You may not make the macro do a few actions- that's like botting. if that was allowed you could press a button and say, solo UW without doing anything.
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
hrmz so why did i even bother to buy a g15? gdi, and i don't even know how to use it yet.
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BlueNovember
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Originally Posted by Snograt
The dual-clienting isn't used to actually farm anything - it's just used, as you said, to transfer all the goodies onto one account.
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- Pre-nerf Kurzick HFFF leaching
- Luxon The Jade Arena recall faction farming
- Polar bear farming (1 account runs, 7 accounts afk but still get quest reward)
- Keg-farming using accounts as mobile storage to increase amount of time you can stay zone popping
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Back ontopic; OP, explain the exact scripting you were doing in a support ticket to Anet. If you were not being abusive, then anet should be able to verify and unban you.
Either way there's not much we can do to help here.
(/me runs off to spread the use of the phrase "zone popping")
Snograt
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Originally Posted by fusa
So where does she say this? If you're referring to http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_..._ask_something then if you read it she says the opposite, that they do not ban for GWx2 or using two accounts at the same time.
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Phew...
gremlin
Its always going to be a grey area and Anet probably judge each case on its own merits as and when they happen.
Being able to touch type is a game advantage, I nearly always have to look down at the keyboard they do not.
At the other end of the scale would be someone with a physical disability in such cases macros would enable them to compete on a more level playing field.
AFK botting I am totally against, anything else macros included I have no objection to.
There will always be players with an advantage in a game compared to others and its up to each player to do the best they can.
for instance a team of players using voip or even in the same room as each other will usually be more effective than a team not so blessed.
Being able to touch type is a game advantage, I nearly always have to look down at the keyboard they do not.
At the other end of the scale would be someone with a physical disability in such cases macros would enable them to compete on a more level playing field.
AFK botting I am totally against, anything else macros included I have no objection to.
There will always be players with an advantage in a game compared to others and its up to each player to do the best they can.
for instance a team of players using voip or even in the same room as each other will usually be more effective than a team not so blessed.
micosay
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Originally Posted by BlueNovember
[*]Polar bear farming (1 account runs, 7 accounts afk but still get quest reward)
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Straight to the Heart & The Strength of Snow (only places where polar bear drops) are both solo quests...
Siirius Black
wow I use my two accounts with my 600.
BlueNovember
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erm...
Straight to the Heart & The Strength of Snow (only places where polar bear drops) are both solo quests... |
Thanks for the correction.
Still, the general point stands; you can still run 8 copies of gw on one pc and have 7 accounts afk whilst one runs somewhere. I'm sure there's many quests where this is possible.
Nereyda Shoaal
Nerfing GWx2 is not solving anything
It's 2009 not 1989. Nowadays most people have 2, 3 even 4 computers at home
It's 2009 not 1989. Nowadays most people have 2, 3 even 4 computers at home
mazza558
Hang on, can't you basically play through normal-mode with a good hero team whilst afk for the most part?
You can just keep coming back to click to the next mob, etc...
You can just keep coming back to click to the next mob, etc...
Haxor
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o0 interesting. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere... d'oh. Shows how much I know about pve =).
Thanks for the correction. Still, the general point stands; you can still run 8 copies of gw on one pc and have 7 accounts afk whilst one runs somewhere. I'm sure there's many quests where this is possible. |
1. Start up multiple accounts with chars in LA or Kamadan
2. Start quest on account #1 and run to the end. Stand near the door at the very end of the room.
3. Start quest on account #2 and run to the end. Stand near the door, just like with account #1.
3. Repeat with anywhere between 0 and 4 or so accounts.
4. By the time you placed the last one at the end of the quest, the constantly respawning freezie & co have killed all the grentches for account #1.
5. Get reward, re-run account #1 to the end of the dungeon.
And so-on.
Either way, what seems to be the problem with the G15 is that multiple actions converged in to one keystroke basically counts as "botting". The way I interpret it is as follows:
Case 1:
Mapping /laugh to a key. This is a single command, just mapped to a key. Should be allowed.
Case 2:
Mapping skill 1, 2 and 3 to a key, so they'll be activated miliseconds after each other. These are multiple commands, mapped to a single key. Probably not allowed.
MisterB
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Forgot to add something, using a Logitech G15's macro keys to press two buttons at once (Such as Space + , or Space + F1) clearly is an advantage as you're only pressing one button while other players need to push two.
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Because ArenaNet partnered with Ideazon to produce the Guild Wars: Factions Zboard with emote keys. Emote keys are *gasp* macros!
My conclusion is the opposite of yours: executing 2 commands with one keystroke is simply user customization of controls, and likely falls into that gray area. Most humans can press two keys at nearly the same time. I have used a macro for ";" + "space" to pick up my drops. Ban me, please.
edit: Not responsible for any consequence as a result of following my example. Do it at our own risk, insert disclaimer here.
Sir Baddock
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Please explain the difference between your example of pressing two keys at once and:
/ d a n c e Because ArenaNet partnered with Ideazon to produce the Guild Wars: Factions Zboard with emote keys. Emote keys are *gasp* macros! My conclusion is the opposite of yours: executing 2 commands with one keystroke is simply user customization of controls, and likely falls into that gray area. Most humans can press two keys at nearly the same time. I have used a macro for ";" + "space" to pick up my drops. Ban me, please. edit: Not responsible for any consequence as a result of following my example. Do it at our own risk, insert disclaimer here. |
The Logitech G15 can also be set to do a simple command (like push 2 buttons at once) and then set to "toggle" so you now have a person who only pushes a button once (instead of 25 times, 50 times if you use 2 buttons), sits back watches 20 - 25 kegs drop, toggles it off and that's about it.
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Vulkanyaz
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Forgot to add something, using a Logitech G15's macro keys to press two buttons at once (Such as Space + , or Space + F1) clearly is an advantage as you're only pressing one button while other players need to push two.
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Sir Baddock
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Originally Posted by Vulkanyaz
So is having a better internet connection that another player, having lower latency that another player, having better hardware than another player, having a faster Windows/other installation than another player, having more coffee than another player, etc.
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Boneyard Spleeneater
Anyone here played Nightfall?
The Tihark Orchard Mission has a portion that requires you to match emotes at a rapid pace. Touch typing, or more importantly, bound emotes, give you a distinct advantage.
So even binding emotes can give you a gameplay advantage. That doesn't include holiday quests (Elder Nofunn). Banned.
Grey areas are unacceptable. Anet needs to explicitly state what is not allowed. Everything else needs to be. If something is being abused, they need to add it to the 'not allowed' list, give everyone a week to comply, then ban them.
Short scripts that combine a few commands or keystrokes are no more of an advantage than VoIP or a Mouse with extra keys. Or even some poor sod who is unemployed and has hours to bone up on his PVP skillz.
Some people could have the fastest machine with a G15 and a G5 Mouse and a T3 connection with no lag and still suck. Others could play GW on a solar powered 4 function calculator and pwn everyone.
Such is life.
The Tihark Orchard Mission has a portion that requires you to match emotes at a rapid pace. Touch typing, or more importantly, bound emotes, give you a distinct advantage.
So even binding emotes can give you a gameplay advantage. That doesn't include holiday quests (Elder Nofunn). Banned.
Grey areas are unacceptable. Anet needs to explicitly state what is not allowed. Everything else needs to be. If something is being abused, they need to add it to the 'not allowed' list, give everyone a week to comply, then ban them.
Short scripts that combine a few commands or keystrokes are no more of an advantage than VoIP or a Mouse with extra keys. Or even some poor sod who is unemployed and has hours to bone up on his PVP skillz.
Some people could have the fastest machine with a G15 and a G5 Mouse and a T3 connection with no lag and still suck. Others could play GW on a solar powered 4 function calculator and pwn everyone.
Such is life.