Boycott the Storage Update!

I'm all for them making money but don't really like the way these micro-payments are going. As long as items from the in-game store do not give buyers overpowered equipment or skills.

Can we change names and facial features? i thought we couldn't while we are on this point Anet shud add more features to pay for then like the ones listed seriously, we cryed for more storage we get it if we pay, we cry for barbershop that will happen next i bet $10 for a haircut.

/Signed, I would much rather pay 10 dollars for "Character name changes," "Character Appearance changes," "Gold from Arenanet"(this one would cause inflation in the GW economy but I would rather buy from Arenanet than some person in china and get myself banned in doing so). I would much rather donate to Arenanet if they really needed the money for the servers, but seriously the servers have been so laggy and horrible lately would it even get much better? I mean they stopped supplying Retail stores with copies just to make us pay $29.99 in the InGame store. They could have charged for something else other than making us pay for storage.

Why don't you people just let everyone make there own personal decisions
on whether to purchase or not. A boycott is just plain silly for a game.

Exactly,

You can't call this a boycott because you can't boycott air.

You keep saying "75% say no", but I don't understand how you arrive at that figure.

What I see right now is:

I am definitely not going buy this because they are charging us. 126 (19.66%)
I think $10 is too much. They should lower the price. 142 (22.15%)
10$ is a fair price to me. I will buy them if I need them. 171 (26.68%)
I'll pay $5 or $10, don't care which. 43 (6.71%)
I could care less. I am not buying it. 159 (24.80%)

19.66% say "no" simply because there is a charge. And 22.15% say "no" because $10 is too much. That's a total of 41.81% saying "no".

26.68% say "yes" at $10, and 6.71% say "yes" at $10 but would prefer $5. That's a total of 33.4% saying "yes".

24.8% don't care, and aren't saying "yes" or "no".

So where does your 75% come from? Are you adding the "don't care" people to your total? Because I don't think that's valid.

The way I see it, they didn't choose any of the first four options, so they're neither for the charge nor against it... and you can't count them as such. (presumably they don't need extra storage anyway).

Further, of those that WANT the storage - it's 41.81% "no" vs 33.4% "yes".

If that's an incorrect conclusion... explain why?

Just curiousity: do you think that this is a beginning of a trend?
Do you think that each four months Anet will release "big" content updates that will be charged (for some optional parts) like a full campaign?
Are you all ok with this?

After reading the entire thread, I still am of my /notsigned opinion for the boycott.

You don't want it, you don't buy it.
Surely there will be people paying any amount for overpriced stuff in the game.
I'm just not one of them, I won't buy. But I respect their choice even if it is different from mine.

I think it is overpriced (option 2) but choose not to buy because I don't care (option 5). I might want it or not, I still think it is too much what is being asked for it.

Even choosing for option 5, even being among those ~25$ that say "I could care less. I am not buying it", I can still be against the overcharge, so I could be counted as a "no".
(I can talk only for myself, I don't know about the others that voted "I couldn't care less")

I think the figure of 75% given by Red Sonja is excessive. But anyway consider that on the forums usually the participants are the most hardcore players.
On the forums you find the most interested ones, those who are more attached to the game than the average player, and thus those who are more willing to buy optional/additional stuff.

My guild is a mix of hardcore and casual players, the leader and the officers are often online (every day, for several hours each day), while among us members there are 5 or 6 active, playing four or five days a week, and 30 others that login once each month (or less than that).

The alliance is more active, about ten guilds and there were about 30/40 players online when I gave them the link the the page on the website with the 4th anniversary anticipations.

Well, the first reaction when they saw the price was "are they crazy?".
Even my guild leader said he wasn't going to spend money on that... I'm talking of the kind of person that really lives into GW (he bought collectors editions, char slots in the store, millenium edition, alt account, even Proxima game guides and stuff like that) .

With the amount of money asked for 4 storage tabs one can buy a couple of xbox360 games.
Or more than a couple of FULL pc games.
These were the answer I got from them... the general feeling is that they won't be spending money on this stuff.

The trick went well with the BMP because people wanted the nice new weapon skins (which I don't see around a lot), but with this?

I hope anyway that a lot of people will buy this additional panes at this high price.
(I know I won't.)

I still don't get the fuss, really. They're not saying 'pay $10 or forget the update', they're saying 'if you still want more storage, pay $10'. Why is this so hard to get?

As several people have already said, there's nothing to boycott.

Actually, that's only 2/3 of a month for most MMOs. And that's not really a good comparison. Yea, they're fifteen dollars a month, but you get dozens of times the storage, it's per character rather than per account, and you can create more characters.

I mean, I get, what, 100 slots of storage + crafting for 5 characters. As an example, my main on WoW has something like 175 slots right now, so five characters gets me 875 slots, plus I can create 5 more mules on that realm for a total of 1750 slots for 5 (playing) characters. Assuming I get a new 20 slot tab for $10, I'd have to buy $820 worth of tabs to match that storage.

Obviously there are some major problems with my rundown, the least of which being that 1750 slots of storage would be extreme overkill in Guild Wars so purchasing $820 worth of storage, even if you could do that, would be silly, but the point is that it's not really valid to compare the pay-as-you-play games to Guild Wars here. You're paying a lot less per storage slot in them than you are in Guild Wars with it's optional add-on purchase.

In the end, the Guild Wars storage system was implemented in an awful way and has long been one of its weakest aspects.

There isn't, really. If you read through the thread there's just a handful of people who are outraged that they're being given an option to buy something. Most people seem to be of the attitude that either the price is too high so they're not interested, or that it's great and they're buying the slots when they come out.

Really, compared to other faux outrages like the mission pack add-on from EotN, this is pretty muted.

1) You're right about the storage systems always having been a weakness

2) I think the problem most of the vocal detractors have with this development is not with the storage tabs idea itself, but more with the direction it indicates ANet is leaning. That's quite apart from the fact that the price is a monstrous rip-off.

Wait for a couple months.

Simply put, no way in hell am I going to pay additional money for storage.

A boycott is stupid, sorry to say thats like boycotting smoking, no one makes you smoke so good job on the boycott your a success.

$10 on the other hand is over priced, even if it is priced for "convience"

Look at it this way:

You walk into your local Beer cave and there is a 6 pack and a 12 pack on the shelf for the EXACT same price. So the 6 pack is more convient, yu dont have to open the box and it easy to just place the empties right back in the container and chuck it all at once when your done, and its lighter to carry. Much more conveinent. But SORRY, NO. I'm buying the twelve pack I may not need all 12 beers right now, but atleast they are ther for later and so what if I have to take the time to open the box (much like the same amount of time switching characters takes).

$10 for a conveinent 20 slots in a storage box or $10 for a slightly inconvient new character slot with TWICE the storage space.

It's a no brainer.

IF the the tabs were $5 each I'd be first in line to buy all 4, but at $10, no thanks, I'll buy another slot if I need the space.

Lastly I feel that the "Limited time offer to get a free tab" will be linked to spending money in the store like with the BMP back in the day. Something like Buy 3 panes and get the 4th free, which would (if said statement is true) reduce the price to $7.50 ea, still I price I'm not willing to pay.

As far as Equiptment Packs go I do think they will be charging for those, you will just have to get them IG somehow, otherwise how do you go to the store and buy a EP for a certain character? Unless you buy it and it's in storage so you equipt it to whom ever you choose.

I'm all for ANet continuing to make money and provide the servers for this game, which I feel has been money well spent thus far, but that doesnt mean I'm going to balance out my well spent money by spending money poorly.

Exactly... you can only speak for yourself - there is nothing in that response which says whether the voter thinks the price is too much, or not.

You can make an arbitrary assumption that those people think (like you) that $10 is too much, but you could just as easily make a different arbitrary assumption that those people DON'T think $10 is too much... and that would turn the "yes" people into the majority.

I voted option #2.

I've always been up for paying for some storage increases but, IMO, $10 is too much for 20 slots especially when someone made a thread about GW:Factions being available for only $10. (http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10366035)

Factions offers 4 character slots + 2 storage tabs = potentially 184 storage slots and the option of more XTH reward points. So what are we paying $10 for? Convenience? Meh.

I won't 'QQ' as they say. I just won't pay that sort unjust price.

P.S. I bought 4 character slots just for making storage mules and I think $5.99 for 36 slots (and Birthday prezzies) is fair.

$10 x 4 = $40 for 80 slots.
$.50 per slot


GW Factions Platinum= $20 for
+ 3 panes = 60 slots
+ 6 chars = 6*45 slots (ignoring upcoming update)
+ Another acct for Zkeys
= 60 + 270 = 330 slots = $.07 per slot

GW Factions = $10 for
+2 panes = 40 slots
+ 4 chars = 4 * 45 slots
+ Acct for Zkeys
= 40 + 180 = 220 slots = $.05 per slot

ANet Math Fail.

And those defending the $10 cost and abusing the word "micropayments", that word does not mean what you appear to think it means. It means payments too small to be affordably processed by credit card companies. It does not mean "the same price as a new frelling account."

All right! next step will be sell level 30 PvP characters for 100$. You enter PvP, and every lvl30 own you, then you say to yourself: ITS ONLY A GAME!

rofl! Soo true!

That was an awesome show.

Hush. Don't you know they have to pay for enough hard drive space to store actual physical swords in replicator-data format?

Honestly, I don't get how you could think that Anet is going to move from "making pay for an additionnal extra storage" (in addition because we'll be getting some free, no enough details about the offer to know whether it's a little or a lot) to "making pay for game-affecting features". In the first one, you buy convenience, it doesn't affect gameplay, everyone can live without it (and has done so, I remember the farmers that'd show us here their 200+ stacks of items in preparation for events, all spread accross their chars). In the second one, the richer players (or those willing to sacrifice money for virtual benefits) will be advantaged, it's no longer about convenience.

As I said before, if Anet makes one tiny little step in the direct of selling game-affecting features, they'll loose me and (I believe) the vast majority of players. I also get the fact that people fear that things are changing very slowly, one tiny step at a time, but I disagree. With this decision (I mean, making us pay for additional extras, not the price tag of $10 which I think it's a tiny bit overpriced) Anet has in fact made sure one of the most requested feature is addressed, and we have yet to know the full offer (equipment pack and zaishen zoo seem free) without pushing their limits too far (i.e. not changing the game business model).

As said in the first page of this thread, the law of the market will speak. I also want to add that their decision may have been influenced by the shape of the current economic climate. May be they know little people will buy additional extra storage for $10 (while most will be happy to get some more room, we'll see on April 28th, or before) and they're just hoping that this small income will help them strenghthen their plan for GW1 and GW2. Or maybe the "one-time offer" will make these storage slots at $10 quite interesting, we'll see in less than 2 weeks...

(strange that Regina is not intervening here yet)

you pay the extra 45 cents for luxury

They already have.

Fire Imp Summoning Stone says OHAI!

You're paying more than $.45 for it, since you can't just buy one slot.
At the bare minimum, considering one page, you're paying $9, or 900% of the actual value, for the sake of saving 20 seconds.

Voters: 666. You have already voted on this poll

OMG 666!

Its optional, therefore a boycott is useless.

The only reason why i would buy a tab is because Anet does not offer Char slots on the ncsoft store, and since i have no possible way to access a credit card i am quite pleased they do offer this storage upgrade on the ncsoft store and not only in the ingame store.

The price, well it might be a bit to high compared to a char slots which offers more storage space, but for people in my situation it is atleast a better way to increase our storage, which makes it worth the price imo, at the very least its a better option then to chase down someone who might have a credit card, or look for debit cards online, which is phishy and i dont trust it, as long as my country doesnt endorse debit cards through my bank, i wont go near one.

You would have the right to start a boycott if this was forced on you, this is not the case, your thread is full of QQ and the opposite of that, and it serves no real purpose, i just express my opinion.

what the heck is she gonna say. Nothing she says will bring this to an end completely. Some people are going to still be upset somewhere.

If it was free, every player would be happy, and this thread wouldn't exist.

Another point I would like to bring to your attention. If there is this much of a stink being made over this, there is obviously something wrong.

I think what Fril, as well as many others are saying, is in relation to game altering items that provide clear advantage in regards to items as many F2P Cash Shop models work. The fire imp was hardly any advantage.


For instance; If Anet suddenly started to offer weapons and off-hands in the online store that were above max dmg and Low Requirement, and only available in the store (customized), that would greatly tip the scales especially in PvP aspects. It would boil down to who has the thicker wallet instead of any remote sense of skill and balance.

Or perhaps, just as an example again, offering Store-Only skills, or Armor for all classes that was above the "max" available in game.

This is where I would draw the line, as I'm sure others would.

Let's look at the facts:

1. People have been complaining about storage space for a long time.

2. Storage space is very cheap right now as a seperate account due to the lowering of price for older campaigns.

What does this mean with regards to the April Storage update? This means people can easily afford more storage on a seperate account but EXPECTED the storage update to come FREE or at least at a very cheap price.

I think there is no reason to be mad at ANet. We already know that NCSoft store is not necessarily the cheapest option to buy GW items.

Would it be better that ANet does not provide this extra storage update at all? Even at a price? If you dont like it, then dont buy it from them. Just go buy your new account. ANet is entitled to charge any amount, and leave it to the free market to decide if they would get what they want or not.

I think this thread resulted from jealousy and envy. If that fool is willing to pay $40 for that much more storage then I must have it for FREE mentality.

I still don't get why people are complaining over something they don't have to do.

And as Anet's customers, we're entitled to tell them we think they're out of their damn minds!

It was a bonus, you wouldn't buy the new GW boxes just for getting it, would you? (I got him but barely used him!)

She may have information about the pricing from their marketing department, or more details about the exact offer. She may even reassure everyone about the GW business model.

And maybe making everyone happy this way about the April update would lead longer down the road about Anet having to fire staff, reduce their ambitions, delay GW2, etc. This thread is the typical "I want more because I was promised it's free and now you're mentioning the bad word buy so please explain!"

Non-sense. It seems like an artificial way to make your thread worth something, which it isn't. Since the very beginning, it was clear that a petition on something you'd buy was inappropriate. As I said earlier, petitioning on the storage tabs being $5 made sense, not this.

Except that very few people are having a fit over it. Most of the people, if you'll read the thread, who are opposed to it aren't opposed on principle, we just don't think it's worth what they're asking, so we're just saying "no, thank you". We're not freaking out over it like a tiny minority in this thread seem to be.

Which is fine, but everyone here - on the internet in general - always goes about the process in the dumbest, most obnoxious way possible.

You speak the truth.

Anet says we've got a big update in April related to HoM and storage. So everyone thinks finally. They should have said our online store will offer storage upgrades at a price to be determined. Then i would have been like f that i'm not buying it but since we all thought it was free we were looking foward to it. While they are at it sell title packages too.. If anet goes with these small trends here and there to make extra money. This game will not be about skill over time, grind. It'll be who spends more money to get ahead with advantages.

It was a bonus you only got for certain recently available purchases, or buying from the OLS. If you don't (as I don't), they actually have the hutzpah to try and sell it for $5 in the store.

It's game altering. You pay for it.

Indeed. Sturgeon's law applies to the population at large, too.

You are picking out one part of the update to rant about. Have you even read what it all entails?

yes............................................... ....


Have u read what the thread was started for?



http://www.guildwars.com/community/e...thanniversary/

As an ANet's customer, you dont have to buy EVERY single option in their store, you know.

Maybe there will be some ANet customer who have lots of money, dont really care, and prefer to pay for that bit of convenience? What's it to you?

If you dont like the price, you dont have to buy it. The extra storage is not like an unfair upgrade that totally unbalance the game. If anything, the cheap extra account unbalances the game more than the storage upgrade, due to the zkeys.

perhaps her absence is a good sign. that anet is reconsidering their price decisions, and therefore she has nothing to say as of yet because they have not decided whether or not to keep the current price. at least that is what i'd like to think.

anyways, no one has discussed the poll results thus far.
only 33% in support...does this mean anything?

Not "recently". I got it from buying EotN from online store (which also gave me the BMP) a long while before they offered the fire imp. They don't sell "it", they sell the game in a new package where you get "it".

I get the feeling you're trying to win the argument just for the sake of feeling good. So I'll let you win: yes it's game altering. Happy now?

So why would everyone worried that the current offer is showing that Anet is changing the GW business model? if the fire imp was this first alteration to the GW business model, then the additional extra storage product is not a continuation of this move.

I personally find the various "bits" of logic (or attempt to follow some kind of logic) developed to analyse this offer or predict what's going to happen next not very "logical" or even relevant. We don't even have the full details of the offer. Nevertheless, over the course of the last 4 years, I'll admit that Anet has changed quite a lot its game, but I don't believe they've altered significantly their business model (surprisingly, given the economic crysis and NCsoft problems, although NCsoft had to fire people).

[quotesnaek;4582344]perhaps her absence is a good sign. that anet is reconsidering their price decisions, and therefore she has nothing to say as of yet because they have not decided whether or not to keep the current price. at least that is what i'd like to think.[/QUOTE]

That's true. But I seriously doubt they'll do a U-turn (may be a L-turn by lowering the offer to $5, but it may not be financially good for them, given the various charges they may have via online store or the particular arrangments so that it can be bought from everywhere in the world) because of a non-sensical thrrad on Guru. They didn't do it for the BMP.

No it doesn't. Online polls can easily be manipulated AND Guru represents a tiny fraction of the community, with many retired players still coming here.