Boycott the Storage Update!

SerenitySilverstar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Can somebody go find the threads where it was discussed ad nauseum that people would quite happily pay money for extra storage? Please? Because the hypocrisy round here is choking.

wetwillyhip

wetwillyhip

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA, Southern California, Orange County

Tyrian Elements [TyE]

R/Mo

/unsigned.

wow this is pathetic, you guys have really have gone way too far with this. More storage = more server space needed, it makes sense. you guys are using the reason that "you thought the update was going to be free?"... now, that's your own fault and problem. where the crap does Anet give any hint/statement that new content will be free? and if that doesn't allow things to be seen clear, then all i have to say is "non-subscription game". get over yourselves,

this is Anet's only game and they're a business, you hear all the time about Regina saying they aren't able to implement features we want b/c of the lack of resources... 10$ is a convenience TO YOU so that you will not have to switch between character mules and it it is also a convenience to Anet so that they can get some good money/resources to implement more crap you guys want in the game. So by looking at what you guys want, you guys are getting the convenience of a lower price for storage and Anet doesn't get any convenience of good money in return, oh that's real selfless of you guys... well done.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

I've posted before that I would buy xunlai tabs if it was possible, but I now call for /BOYCOTTING it. I hate how they're taking advantage of people who want it by giving it an absuridiculous price of $0,50 per slot.

Character slots at $10 are very expensive, but at least bearable - I've bought 4.

They should have went with a much more fair deal and sold the xunlai panes in packs of 2 for $10, for many reasons:

1. It would be somewhat comparable to a character slot value (char slot is 45 universal storage +5-20 equipmemnt pack, +heroes, +ability to play!)
2. It would still cost them much less than a character slot, considering data that needs to be processed and saved and the stress on servers generated by constant logouts needed to move items around.
3. They would make MORE money from it - I bet the number of people who will buy more than 2 of them at current price is much smaller than the number of people that would buy 1-2 of them if they were sold 2 for $10.
4. The difference of cost of selling 2 panes instead of 1 is minimal - the main cost they need to cover is probably the server upgrade that will allow the storage updates at all.
5. There would be no major outrage on forums and ingame talks, no calling for boycotting - I don't remember complaints about character slot prices.

Cale Roughstar

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

I would love to have more xunlai storage, but there is no way I am going to pay for it, especially $10. I have 5 accounts, storage is not a problem, and 10 bucks is definitely not worth the convenience of not having to start up two copies and switching.


And to the post above this one, very well said. One tab should not be anywhere near the price as another character slot.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

All three options have their advantages and disadvantages:

Characters slots = more storage, but you have to swap characters to access it, and there is a limit to the number of slots you can buy per account.

Second account = even more storage, and double the zkey influx every month, but there's the even bigger hassle of having to log onto different accounts, the inability to transfer items between accounts without a friend (or a second computer), and the fact that you have a brand new account with nothing useful unlocked on it to deal with (including cities you may want to go to).

Extra storage panes = the most useful and general of all the possibilities, and probably the one that is most useful to the average single account GW user who doesn't use dedicated mules, but could still do with a bit of extra space. Downside is that it's the smallest extra storage you can buy, on a per-dollar basis.

Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. If you are happy to deal with the extra hassle of extra accounts and characters for your storage needs, buy one, they'll be happy to oblige. If few people buy extra storage panes, they'll get the hint eventually and lower the price, just like they lowered the price on character slots a long while ago.

AKB48

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

/Signed, Anet might as well as to merge with BLIZZARD, what's next? monthly fees?
IGN: Defective Tragedy

darkknightkain

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

P/W

The concept is good... just... $10 for 1 tab is a bit too much...

consider $10 can also simply get 1 mule character in pvp which contains
- 20+10+10+5 = 45 anything slots
- 1+15+10+1 = 27 offhand slots
- 1+15+10+1 = 27 uncustomized weapon slots
...

That's 99:20, almost a 5x difference

UndeadRoadkill

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

What's the point in asking people to boycott something that costs more than they're willing to pay in the first place? I mean, if they're not willing to buy it, they're not going to, right? "Calling for a boycott" is silly.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Calling for a boycott is calling for people to use brains and make them rethink if they really want to spend so much for so little, and make them reconsider other much better possibilities. It's also a call to open your eyes and see where our beloved business model is going -> to the hell of microtransactions!

Want to support Anet for making a great game? Buy more accounts or even character slots - get MUCH more storage for the same price.

If you can't find cheap campagin boxes at your stores - support Anet/NCSoft directly by buying a PvP-only account for $19,99 from NCSoft online store - and get 4 Character Slots + 1 xunlai tab = 200 Universal Slots +heroes +equipment packs (+20-80 weapon slots) +Abuse XTH for free 100k per month.

But Don't support THIS idea of selling very micro content for prices of big stuff, the trend of giving us less and less and less for the same price... or we'll only see more of it (get less and less and less per every $ spent)... and the next game (GW2) may be fully based on this type of deals.

UndeadRoadkill

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

So you think people are completely retarded and can't do the math themselves?

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

I don't think paying for storage is bad, and I do NOT think this should be boycotted - Whoever does is an idiot.
As said, GW is Anet's only game and Anet is a business. We were fine up until now, and this is simply a convenience, for a price. Quite frankly, I enjoy the idea they're giving us more of a variety to spend money on in GW related things.

However, at the same time, I feel that they should either lower the price of a storage panel or give us a lot more storage. If we were to buy another character slot for a mule, we would have way more open slots for items, there for making the extra tab for storage fools gold.

SerenitySilverstar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Airstu View Post

How many more times do we have to say OPTIONAL.
Until we're blue in the face, then we get accused of being irrational fan bois.

I'm still trying to figure out how people think their Free Will is being cribbed....

king swift

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Kamadan AD1

Zealots Of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

D/A

I will try to read most of these posts if i get the chance and maybe set up arguments for both sides. It is a very debatable topic. AnrenaNet thinks of these extra tabs are a luxury, but to the players, they are necessity. They need this, otherwise they would not have been complaining about it for the last 46 months.

The bottom line is I want the space and I'm not going to pay 10 bucks for it. Its just not worth the value. If it was a reasonable price, maybe. It's not worth my money on something that will mean nothing in a few years. Give us a reason to purchase the tabs other than "it's convenient" and maybe ill buy into this. Perhaps a GW2 Perk. Extra storage in GW2. Now there's an idea! But it will never happen.

Will we be buying our storage spaces in GW2 as well?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar View Post
Can somebody go find the threads where it was discussed ad nauseum that people would quite happily pay money for extra storage? Please? Because the hypocrisy round here is choking.
Pretty sure they were different from the people complaining here. The poll shows the majority have no problem, heck even the majority of them are fine with the (outrageous) price.

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Boycott is not working I think. Option 3 is winning (Arenanet people voting? lol, just joking! or not?)

My opinion, small version:
- I AGREE with ArenaNet idea to make money with the online store.
- I DISAGREE about selling "things" giving a player BIG ADVANTAGES versus others not paying.

UndeadRoadkill

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
The poll shows the majority have no problem, heck even the majority of them are fine with the (outrageous) price.
Are you looking at the right poll?

At this moment:

203 votes for $10 as a fair price/acceptable price

381 for will not buy/price is too high

Even if you count the last poll option as "not interested" (instead of counting it with 'will not buy') and subtract that number, you are still left with 239 against.

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

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Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

At the moment I'm posting this, 34.7% of people voting have either said they would pay $5 or $10, or said they thought it was a fair price. That's an extremely good ratio for making a decent profit. And considering this is on Guru, the most skeptical game community I've ever seen in my life, I'd say a few hundred players "boycotting" what they weren't going to buy in the first place ain't gonna hurt ANet too much.

/fail

Minako Sawai

Minako Sawai

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/

So, to recap this thread that should die, there are several groups:

1. Some of us don't want to pay any amount for more storage.

2. Some of us would like more storage but not at the $10 per tab price, but would buy it at $5 or so (me).

3. Some people are fine with $10 (or more!).

4. Some people think the game is dead / don't care cause it isn't PvP skill stuff (trolls and/or PvP only players).

Hmm, okay have a "buy 4 tabs for $20" sale when they release it, that takes care of Group 2. Group 3 people are already okay with the $10 price. Group 4 don't care or are just trolling, so that takes care of them too. Group 1 are just a bunch of cheapskates and freeloaders, so who cares about them anyway. (just kidding!!!)

*Minako casts [Shadow Form] and quickly runs away.....*

Boneyard Spleeneater

Boneyard Spleeneater

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

Seattle

Immortal Corruptors [GWAR]

Me/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tramp View Post
Yeah...right.... Out of $4.00 box of girl scout cookies, the girls get to keep about 16% or $0.64. ...
Not really relevant to my point, which is that for a charitable cause, I am happy to pay $4.00 for a box of cookies which should cost me $.99. The Candy Bars kids sell for school fundraisers at two bucks a piece cost them between $.50 and $1.00, so perhaps they get a better deal. Still irrelavant. I am not going to pay McDonalds $6.00 for a Big Mac when the actual market value of it is $1.49. I am not going to pay $10 for 20 storage slots when I could get 45 (or more) for the same price. If others want to pay that much, they are welcome to.

For my final word on the subject (cos I think I have made my point a few times), if you don't want it, don't buy it. If you want to call that a boycott, fine. I think they are charging too much, and would recommend we as a community hold off buying unless they charge a more reasonable price, but my opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee.

Everyone's getting way too wound up about this.

Repeat to yourselves; ITS ONLY A GAME!


(Albeit one I have spent a couple thousand hours playing. I could've cured herpes or something by now )

SpiritThief

SpiritThief

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post

But Don't support THIS idea of selling very micro content for prices of big stuff, the trend of giving us less and less and less for the same price... or we'll only see more of it (get less and less and less per every $ spent)... and the next game (GW2) may be fully based on this type of deals.
This.

Look at this as a test. They want to see how stupid "loyal" you guys are. If this works they figure they can rip us on all kinds of stuff when GW2 comes around.

GW2, will B2P, with no fees. But they try to suck you dry with a cash shop. That's all this makes me think. They are "testing" to see how close they get to free2play.

But see there are more then enough idiots out there that will buy this and ruin it for the rest of us. Just like that DLC crap on the consoles now *Thanks MS *.

Raccoon

Raccoon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Me/A

I personally wouldn't touch the in game store with any credit card of mine. But we get a free slot anyway. Honestly, I think anet are regretting been free to play and they just realized that they need more money to make gw2.

So in hopes that this helps the production of gw2, /notsigned.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

Voted for option number two.

I remember buying an additional character slot for $10 via the in-game store. With a minimal investment of in-game resources a character can hold more than twice the amount of items a storage tab can.

I'm not a big fan of micro payments either. Reminds me a bit too much of asian hard-core grind-fests. Let's hope GW2 doesn't follow their dark path.

The Little Viking

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

innergalactic gargleblasters

W/Mo

I wont buy them... for 1, I can go to Amazon and get a copy of factions for 10.00 (2.99 shipping also of course), so a total of about 13.00, comes with 4 charicters, I can get a whole lot more storage doing it that way for almost the same price. And for the one person that says you have to swap accounts and get someone to hold stuff while you get on the other account, you need to look into how to run 2 accounts at the same time.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10301247
It works real well, alot of folks in my guild use it, with NO problems at all.

Lourens

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Little Viking View Post
I wont buy them... for 1, I can go to Amazon and get a copy of factions for 10.00 (2.99 shipping also of course), so a total of about 13.00, comes with 4 charicters, I can get a whole lot more storage doing it that way for almost the same price. And for the one person that says you have to swap accounts and get someone to hold stuff while you get on the other account, you need to look into how to run 2 accounts at the same time.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10301247
It works real well, alot of folks in my guild use it, with NO problems at all.
a lot of people don't even need more storage then they have already.
and maybe i should mention this A-net gave us 3 free storage tabs already (we only had 1,1+3=4 ) and i almost forgot the crafting material storage.

and I don't trust that gwx2 program , using 2 windows accounts works the same

Shasgaliel

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

The only issue I see is not charging for the additions but adding them to online store which excludes a lot of players. Not every kid has a credit card and not every parent is willing to use his credit card in the online game. In some countries this methods of payment are popular but in some are not (matter of trust not the capabilities). I can see that several people are excluded just beacause of that and will be for "free" option.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasgaliel View Post
Not every kid has a credit card and not every parent is willing to use his credit card in the online game.
Actually, I consider this a push in the right direction for those kids. They should be out in the open playing ball, breaking windows, jumping hoops, falling off skateboards, trying to set the neighbour's cat on fire and other fun stuff kids do.

distilledwill

distilledwill

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

$10 is too much. We can get a new character slot for not much more.

I'm not objecting cus its too expensive in principle, just in relative terms when looking at the extra character slot.

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

We are experiencing the slow and subtle change from a one-time payment model to a still fee free, but actually really old and well known payment model: micro payments, item mall etc.

They did not manage to produce a new chapter every 6 months. In fact, 1 year was already pushing them to the extreme. Gaile Gray also expected that we are in GW2 Beta stage in early 2009, project schedules at ANet always seem to be by far too optimistic.



GW2 will still be free to play. But they need to make money nevertheless.

Do not be delusional:
People often pay more for free online games with item malls and micro-transactions of all kinds than for subscription based games.

Just check Runes of Magic and Navy Field for example.
In WoW you can buy your mount ingame, in Runes of Magic you go to the shop.


I bet we are soon at the point where we wish that GW2 would be subscription based? And come with LOTS of storage and char slots by default, all the many things you can imagine!

We will soon experience the joys to see what can be considered "optional" - I mean, the game is free to play, isn't it? :>



I think the boycott will not change anything, but it is still a good thing to do. They are probing how much they can milk us. It is time to say no.

Some People say that 10 $ for one storage tab is acceptable. They accept that they have to buy storage. In fact, we did not get storage and char slots till we asked them to sell them to us...


There are many games based on the micro transaction model out there, but none is trying to hide and veil that as much as Guild Wars.

This is pure hypocrisy.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
most people are overjoyed that they are giving us this option and will happily pay the measly $10 for it.
No they aren't nearly 75% just here say NO! Now you want to go and say MOST will HAPPILY pay the way overpriced $10 for it? hahahah Keep dreamin buddy and quit lying as well.

Raven Wing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

N/

I think its fair that we are given some free extra storage and then option to buy more. However, since I prefer to buy my games in my local store Im not going to buy if its only sold on that official site.

Shasgaliel

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Longasc View Post
Some People say that 10 $ for one storage tab is acceptable. They accept that they have to buy storage. In fact, we did not get storage and char slots till we asked them to sell them to us...
.

I think I recall that in the few sardelac threads about the storage people were suggesting that to ANET and I think (I might have some delusions) that someone from Anet (was it not regina?) wrote that they may have a look at the ideas providing they can cover their development cost by selling them later on.

I think with the GW2 coming there would be no really free new content in gw1. If they need to spent money on something in gw1 they will need to cover costs of the development. I prefer to get storage additions for money than nothing at all.

Taddayo Kun

Taddayo Kun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2008

in the land of no return, kinda like xth

[nerf]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamWind View Post
I have to get involved in this thread.

Also, it was optional for Anet to give us extra storage for free and they didn't. The idea that being optional in and of itself makes it ok is dumb. You have to give us better reasons.
To give us more storage or extra content, they need server space. This costs money. And for the record, they ARE giving us more storage space for free in the form of equipment storage and an extra bag slot AND offering optional slots for storage.

It's very simple, if you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. Guild wars is a business, and corporations need to make money, why is that so hard for you people to understand? They don't make video games to be nice, they make them so they can make money.

Guys, get over it. Stop whinging like children who have had their toys taken away.

Gun Pierson

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

I don't have a prob with the fact they use their store to sell 'optional' stuff, they're a company doing business. What I do have a problem with is that they just released this info about 'two' weeks before the update goes life. They long knew they were gonna charge for some of it.

So the story that they were gonna work for months on a bigger update (to give us some more features) instead of some monthly smaller stuff smells a bit fishy now. Just be honest from the start to avoid E-drama afterwards.

That said, I'm considering to buy the option just to sponsor Anet, but I would like no bullsh1t in the future from them, just the naked facts. Although an extra character slot or another chapter seems more interesting, price wise.

slowerpoke

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

Alot of games (PC and Console) these days, non MMOS included have micro transactions in the form of DLCs. The current trend will only continue and no doubt increase.

Lourens

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

other pay methods would be good , I could get a credit card but only for those stupid extra tabs? I rather not , not to mention the 30 bucks every year I have to pay for the credit card.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonya View Post
No they aren't nearly 75% just here say NO! Now you want to go and say MOST will HAPPILY pay the way overpriced $10 for it? hahahah Keep dreamin buddy and quit lying as well.
75% of what again? Of people who voted in this thread, which are in Guru? And what part of the GW community is this overall?

The price is slightly over what I'd pay for the convenience, but I'm sure people will buy it. Enough to make it rentable? Time will tell.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Longasc View Post
snipped to save space, please read post above
micro transaction mmorpg does not have a starting fees, this is worse then micro transaction, its sneaky lol imho.

Tommy's

Tommy's

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2006

[Bone]

Mo/

A boycot lol? QQ less and sell more..

To stay on the topic, I think 10dollar isnt so bad, it's just that many people dont want to use/dont have a credit card. Maybe Anet should have thought about that.
But still don't get where everyone is QQing about. If we would have had the storage update without being able to buy them (which means we get one tab + a epuiment bad) everyone would be; Jippie Hurrah YAY YAY! and just because we can get MORE with a small payment its; BOOOOOH Anet is scamming us!
Too many people are just way too spoiled or way too stupid.

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie View Post
micro transaction mmorpg does not have a starting fees, this is worse then micro transaction, its sneaky lol imho.
Indeed.

The "vision" of GW changed a lot of times over the years (for example the PvP endgame they envisioned for Prophecies, the item-shop and so on), and you know, good intentions often do not last that long.

But initially it was the pay once, and hopefully buy and a new chapter every half a year model. Thus the "full price", similar to a singleplayer game.


How much we will have to pay for a GW2 retail box or if we will have to pay for it all depends on their payment model.

Nobody knows what it will be in the end, probably not even ArenaNet, not this early. But I am sure we will see many more micro-transactions.

Scary

Scary

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Uhmmmm??

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crucist Ovv View Post
A boycot lol? QQ less and sell more..

To stay on the topic, I think 10dollar isnt so bad, it's just that many people dont want to use/dont have a credit card. Maybe Anet should have thought about that.
But still don't get where everyone is QQing about. If we would have had the storage update without being able to buy them (which means we get one tab + a epuiment bad) everyone would be; Jippie Hurrah YAY YAY! and just because we can get MORE with a small payment its; BOOOOOH Anet is scamming us!
Too many people are just way too spoiled or way too stupid.

Indeed, Sell more.. or what ever.. I play this game as a lot more, for almost
4 years now. And yes I was happy with the material storage. But the big
fuzz over storage, I really dont understand. What are you all putting in your
storage.. char bags what ever.
Men if those things are all full than you really are stuffd with things that you
dont need, or you are to rich that every thing is full with rare materials.
If that is the case...men than all the fun in the game must be gone for you.

its just normal to pay for further updates, the game was free yes.
but that doesnt mean the rest have to be