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Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

16 Apr 2009 at 13:30 - 1

I see some real fun possibilities with the way these quests appear to operate.

It Says:
* Mission quests send you to replay storyline missions from each campaign.
* Bounty quests dispatch you to kill boss monsters in dungeons, veteran missions, and explorable areas.
* PvP quests challenge you to win battles in various PvP types.

I'm particularly excited about the bounty quests. I hope the first bounty is the famous:

Obviously if the rewards aren't good enough to warrant even doing these tasks then this idea will fall on its face, so I do have some reserve thoughts about it as well.
It is purely speculation on my part, but i hope this gives us a reason to be interested in some pug'ing again. Since these quests are not repeatable = somewhat not farmable in the sense of you have to have 8 players with XXXX build or you can't come.

Does anyone else share my excitement for this new way to play existing content?

EDIT:Info is at the bottom of this page.
http://www.guildwars.com/community/e...ry/default.php

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

16 Apr 2009 at 13:53 - 2

What I fear is that experienced players will shout at/insult less experienced ones because of their bad builds, aggro management or whatever. On the other hand, it could also turn out to be the perfect way for the experienced players to teach one thing or two to the newer players.

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

16 Apr 2009 at 13:57 - 3

So you will do all the same as before, but for a small reward.

I like it.

Xanthe Dashka

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

16 Apr 2009 at 14:48 - 4

Wouldn't it be great if they force people to party up with this?

No heroes and henchman allowed, wow, open some QQ threads allready.

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

16 Apr 2009 at 14:49 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

What I fear is that experienced players will shout at/insult less experienced ones because of their bad builds, aggro management or whatever. On the other hand, it could also turn out to be the perfect way for the experienced players to teach one thing or two to the newer players.

Most of the decent/good players will stick to their guilds/alliances(Edit:Friendslist) leaving the bad players to play with each other.

take_me

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

Europe

Country Roads [HOME]

16 Apr 2009 at 14:53 - 6

Maybe those quests are a nice way to get the Guardian/Protector-titles.....

ragnagard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

In Spain, of course

Gamer Espa??ol[GE]

N/Mo

16 Apr 2009 at 15:16 - 7

Unless they give us a lolipop as reward.. is fine.

I'm thinking 2 things:

- Will that quest be by char or by account? I mean.. can i kill X boss several times, once with each char?
- What's the new thing that will make "us" play together again for the bounties?. If is in a dungeon, simply take a run as now, kill him along the way, end of history. If is in a remote explorable zone: runner (perma maybe?) & human + H&H (sab, disc, roj, ...) .. same.
Unless elite zones... that's gonna be quick, i bet.

For missions I dunno, but that's my 2c at bounty quests :S.

mazey vorstagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Nodnol

Meeting of Lost Minds

E/Mo

16 Apr 2009 at 15:19 - 8

When does the patch come out? I can't wait

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

16 Apr 2009 at 15:22 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazey vorstagg

When does the patch come out? I can't wait

1,5-2 weeks I would say.

TheodenKing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

DoA

Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk)

N/Me

16 Apr 2009 at 15:27 - 10

I'm happy because the zaishen cahllenge and zaishen elite challenge are really lame. This change may make the zaishen presence on that island worth something.

spamslayer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

SOUP

W/Mo

16 Apr 2009 at 16:02 - 11

I'm excited because I rarely visit the battle isles (i have a pvp mule?

)
i never really got into PvP, sure I'd play a bit and it was fun and all, but i like the pve a lot more

i think it'll be awesome to get some pve quests from the battle isles

*can't waitt *

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

16 Apr 2009 at 16:09 - 12

I suspect the update'll be the middle of next week, as it is mentioned on the update preview that the event starts just before the live update on the 23rd.

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

16 Apr 2009 at 16:21 - 13

Pugging huh?

Nah. I expect people will do it with heroes, just like everything else - I would.

BlueNovember

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

WTS GW2 items for Zkey

Mo/

16 Apr 2009 at 16:24 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanthe Dashka

Wouldn't it be great if they force people to party up with this?

No heroes and henchman allowed, wow

...No.
And not just for the obvious "I don't like failing pve" reason.
Taking heroes + 1 or 2 pugs is fine, as you're 4 man cell is likely able to handle anything NM pve can throw at you. Thus;
The pugs feel they're contributing,
You succeed -> pugs are happy / selfconfidence++
Pugs still pick up tips.

You + 7 average pugs is just asking for trouble.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

16 Apr 2009 at 16:53 - 15

I plan on doing this ONLY if it includes non-repeatable quests (Althea's Ashes on my assassin! In HM! *faints*).
If it's repeatable quests only - I won't be doing them the same way that I am not doing them now.

lewis91

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Wales

Order of the Azurelight[OA]

E/

16 Apr 2009 at 17:03 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

Pugging huh?

Nah. I expect people will do it with heroes, just like everything else - I would.

This. Il probably find it much quicker and less effort to do it myself. Il take a friend/guildie along if they happen to be doing the same quest, But otherwise il stick to my triple necros.

Although a few days ago in GToB the devs mentioned that there will be Elite Area quests, eg kill urgoz. So that'l force me to PuG up or find abunch of guildies.

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

16 Apr 2009 at 17:36 - 17

I AM EXCITED =D. new quests to do everyday with decent difficulty and decent rewards? something new to do? can't wait =D hopefully it isn't a let down, but i think they will have to be pretty bad to be a let down. it's probably something that has been in the works for a while now, so hopefully ANET has thought it through very thoroughly. we will see

Archress Shayleigh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2009

Guild Hall

R/

16 Apr 2009 at 18:10 - 18

Yes. I am very excited because it;s gonna be fun

FlamingMetroid

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

standing on your last control point, while the rest of your team is to busy killing mine

The Luminaries [Lumi]

A/

16 Apr 2009 at 18:12 - 19

daily quests are a new and exciting concept!

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

16 Apr 2009 at 18:34 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

it's probably something that has been in the works for a while now, so hopefully ANET has thought it through very thoroughly. we will see

- Hope so, but unlikely. Every time they promise new stuff, their talks are on way higher level than actual execution. Remember when they said polymock is like "Pokémon on crack". Do you see anyone playing that stuff if not for skill rewards? Is there market for those golden game pieces dropping in dungeons? Jade Quarry the ghost town since day one of Factions release?

You have to be a gamer to understand how to design games. All of these are just superficial ideas, barebone structures, which don't have the necessary elements to keep players hooked.

Zaishen quests will be:
1. Travel to this area and do this mission / kill this boss (which you've already done)
2. Return to get zaishen coin
3. Exchange zaishen coin to get your identification kit / ale / lockpick / zaishen key

People will do it for novelty for some time, then they return to what they were doing before update, because that stuff is faster and more efficient for farming. This is how it will be.

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

16 Apr 2009 at 18:51 - 21

Yeah, if they only have a cycle of quests or missions that ends up repeating itself after a couple or weeks this will fail miserably.

mazey vorstagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Nodnol

Meeting of Lost Minds

E/Mo

16 Apr 2009 at 18:54 - 22

Given how much money they've given us in recent quests, I expect the Mission and Bounty quests to reward about 1.5k per day and the pvp quests, 1.5k balth faction

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

16 Apr 2009 at 19:04 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

-Jade Quarry the ghost town since day one of Factions release?

been in jq lately?

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

16 Apr 2009 at 19:06 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Langdon

been in jq lately?

Yeah, now it is a ghost town filled with soulless robots.

exploiter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

ign Punk Isnt Dead

R/

16 Apr 2009 at 19:07 - 25

I hope it wouldnt be something like killing lvl 7 charr boss somewhere deep in boring ascalon without any story behind it. I mean - "Kill Maim Deathrain!" - would that be something exciting?

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

16 Apr 2009 at 19:10 - 26

Can they make it where they require you to do a quest in HM?

That would be cool I suppose

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

16 Apr 2009 at 20:24 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

I plan on doing this ONLY if it includes non-repeatable quests (Althea's Ashes on my assassin! In HM! *faints*).
If it's repeatable quests only - I won't be doing them the same way that I am not doing them now.

I don't think you really understand what the Zaishen quests are going to be.

* Mission quests send you to replay storyline missions from each campaign.
* Bounty quests dispatch you to kill boss monsters in dungeons, veteran missions, and explorable areas.
* PvP quests challenge you to win battles in various PvP types.

Storyline missions, bosses in various missions and dungeons, and PvP wins. There is nothing in there about repeating one-shot quests.

Beren985

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Spain

Caminantes de los Planos

Me/

16 Apr 2009 at 21:02 - 28

I wonder what "veteran missions" mean. Somehow I smell the return of The Villainy of Galrath...

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

16 Apr 2009 at 21:08 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beren985

I wonder what "veteran missions" mean. Somehow I smell the return of The Villainy of Galrath...

and that would be a bad thing?

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

16 Apr 2009 at 21:10 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beren985

I wonder what "veteran missions" mean. Somehow I smell the return of The Villainy of Galrath...

Elite Area's, like FoW, UW, Deep and Urgoz. As Linsey already said there will be a quest involving Kanaxai.

Because:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

* Bounty quests dispatch you to kill boss monsters in dungeons (no Kanaxai in Dungeons), veteran missions, and explorable areas (no Kanaxai in Explorables).

Shuuda

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guildless

Me/

16 Apr 2009 at 21:23 - 31

Quote:

- Hope so, but unlikely. Every time they promise new stuff, their talks are on way higher level than actual execution. Remember when they said polymock is like "Pokémon on crack". Do you see anyone playing that stuff if not for skill rewards? Is there market for those golden game pieces dropping in dungeons? Jade Quarry the ghost town since day one of Factions release?

Tell me; when was the last time that anything meet up to the hype that was built around it? It's just a part of advertising, plain and simple, and hardly something to whine over.

And by the way... get with the times old man, JQ is packin'.

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<Insert generic bitch about everything Anet does> (Am I cool now? Am I "with it"?)

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

16 Apr 2009 at 21:47 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

Elite Area's, like FoW, UW, Deep and Urgoz. As Linsey already said there will be a quest involving Kanaxai.

- Would they, pray tell, finally make it so that you can actually enter the mission outpost for Urgoz and Deep and place it on the map for players to acknowledge its existance? All this without forking over your gold to confirm it's empty?

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

16 Apr 2009 at 21:54 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

daily quests are a new and exciting concept!

Not new, and not exciting unless something other than copy/paste other parts of the game and long since been incorporated into other mmo's.

I really question if the rewards will even be worth the trouble....

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

16 Apr 2009 at 23:12 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

I see some real fun possibilities with the way these quests appear to operate.

-snip-

Since these quests are not repeatable = somewhat not farmable in the sense of you have to have 8 players with XXXX build or you can't come.

Does anyone else share my excitement for this new way to play existing content?

EDIT:Info is at the bottom of this page.
http://www.guildwars.com/community/e...ry/default.php

I haven't seen anything in that preview that says the daily quests aren't repeatable on the same day. It just says you may only have 3 of them total in your log. I'm guessing that means one of each, Mission, Bounty, and PvP. It also appears that they don't necessarily expire. So one could possibly repeat all or part of a quest so long as the reward is not acquired, and having an old quest would presumably stop you from getting the new daily quest.

tl;dr: We don't know they aren't repeatable. Wait for the actual update. This is only a preview announcement.

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

16 Apr 2009 at 23:52 - 35

With Daily Quests Guild Wars moves closer to Everquest and WoW.... players will call in sick, skip school, and stop eating, so that they do not get behind on their Quests!

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

17 Apr 2009 at 00:16 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazey vorstagg

Given how much money they've given us in recent quests, I expect the Mission and Bounty quests to reward about 1.5k per day and the pvp quests, 1.5k balth faction

WTF 1.5k per quest?

Anet is high if they think that is enough reward lol, why bother grouping up when i can hop on my monk for 20 minutes and get a streak of 10 in RA?

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

17 Apr 2009 at 01:44 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

- Would they, pray tell, finally make it so that you can actually enter the mission outpost for Urgoz and Deep and place it on the map for players to acknowledge its existance? All this without forking over your gold to confirm it's empty?

1) Take two accounts.
2) Bury a mule on each account in elite outpost. Never remove them.
3) Use mules to ferry other characters via guild hall.

Problem solved.

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

17 Apr 2009 at 05:09 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

WTF 1.5k per quest?

Anet is high if they think that is enough reward lol, why bother grouping up when i can hop on my monk for 20 minutes and get a streak of 10 in RA?

Because, believe it or not, not everyone wants to do the same thing all the time. If this quest provides me a real reason to go repeat content that I haven't seen for a while, for rewards that I enjoy, I'll sure as heck be doing them. At the least, they give me a goal, every day, as soon as I log in I know they're waiting for me.

And there's no way you can get a streak of 10 wins in 20 minutes in RA. 2 minutes per win, with a minute of loading times, wait time both before and after, and random delays (like tanks or runners), not to mention the whole killing part...yeah, no frickin way.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

17 Apr 2009 at 06:05 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by xanthe dashka

Wouldn't it be great if they force people to party up with this?

that actually sounds like the whole point of this update

instead of, oh i'll do cof today and bogroots tomorrow maybe...but my friends are farming slavers all week long, so i guess i'll have to go h/h...
it'll be like, oh i'll do bogroots today because its part of the daily quest... and what do you know all my friends and even all these random strangers are doing bogroots as well today! must be my lucky day that'll i'll actually be able to play with someone!

another band-aid fix to the lack of a pugscene as far as i'm concerned...because looks like quite a few people will still just h/h it all.

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

17 Apr 2009 at 06:18 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanthe Dashka

Wouldn't it be great if they force people to party up with this?

No heroes and henchman allowed, wow, open some QQ threads allready.

People are already forced to party up for ursanway and now cryway and whatever overpowered pve skill exploitation builds. But you only see them in elite missions however, because those are tough enough to somewhat push pve skill exploitation.

If you want to join PUGs in those areas, sure, but you have to play certain roles within the organized team build and deal with the class discrimination somehow.