16 Jun 2009 at 13:19 - 93
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
I haven't played my Dervish in a while, but I'm rolling a new one, so I'll be running plenty of experimental bars and reporting back.
This might seem really wierd... but I made a concussion shot dervish the other day that uses it for 4e. Just a straight 12 marks, 16 wind, 3 myst. I'm putting it through a test phase, as I've just recently picked up dervishes again *determined* to find somthing they can do better than my ranger, assassin or warrior like you say.
So far I've only tried this bar in FA, Luxon side, so I don't know if it will carry over to any other formats like PvE, but maybe it will:
1. D-shot
2. Burning Arrow
3. Concussion Shot (17s Dazed)
4. Attackers Insight (next 3 attack skills cost -21e)
5. Harrier's Grasp (moving foes are crippled by your attacks)
6. Enchanted Haste (perma 25% speed)
7. Dwayna's Touch (variable touch heal, can be used on allies too)
8. Guiding Hands (next 3 attack skills are unblockable)
It plays like a ranger, and ofc you need a set of bows and make a choice of armour inscription. Something like Sentry's, Blessed or Survivor. Energy wise it's remarkably good because you get free Burning Arrow and c-shot costs just 4e and it recharges in 5s, so again that's a brutal source of dazed that you can make unblockable if you like. I don't use Guiding Hands much, and in fact sometimes I cast it just to cap Dwayna's Touch out at 150 health or get it to 126 if AI has dropped. Harrier's Grasp is excellent on a bow, any attack will cripple a moving foe and it's like a passive effect, so coupled with Enchanted Haste it's easy to control foes and work them over with BA and CS, maybe DS for non-spell stuff. Just an experiment at the moment, and maybe I'll try it on a hero too as I bet they can use c-shot really well. I might switch d-shot on a hero for read the wind and give them a flatbow.
On the topic of scythes, I've pretty much given up on using a dervish primary. I mainly use a ranger or assassin, and I plan on trying my warrior out with a scythe at some point. My ranger gets the benefit of expertise obviously, but also the benefit of zero enchantment use. I use apply poison with pious assault (poison+deep wound, yummy!), reap impurities and victorious sweep. Scythe healing is pretty cool. Then I just tend to take troll unguent as backup along with antidote sig, and escape and lightning reflexes for my 2 stances. That was originally for aspenwood, kurzick side, where it is a realy bad idea now to be dependant on enchants like my A/D is, so she can't really go there anymore ;( But my ranger, he can go there and do things no dervish could dream of, he's in another league
I find it so ironic that right now my ranger is using a scythe and my dervish is using a bow
17 Jun 2009 at 15:12 - 94
Good find, that's as much condition spreading as a ranger can do, with AI covering up the cost for attacks, like expertise, or better
I'll give it a try too, I like pew pew with my storm bow on my dervish
Thumbs up for new dervish builds ^^
20 Jun 2009 at 02:26 - 95
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
21 Jun 2009 at 17:22 - 96
THAT^ Is impressive..And it's no super damage buffs stacked, it seems to be a normal PvE build :O. I'd like to see more damage than that, without any special buffs (I'm looking at you SoH and necro buffs.)
21 Jun 2009 at 18:22 - 97
To be fair.. it's 3 damage skills stacked (That we can see). The above screenshot is less about knowing how to play Dervish, and more about using the right buffs from teammates and consumables.
21 Jun 2009 at 18:38 - 98
As you can see from the larger pic, he is solo infront of MoD, and uses 3 pve damage buffs, asuran scan and aohm, which I use myself, and BUH only, tbh that is pretty awesome damage, still.
22 Jun 2009 at 08:34 - 101
hmm ye might be, I got excited first when i saw it ^^ today tried to replicate, same build, did ~300 damage, NOT max titles though.
22 Jun 2009 at 08:57 - 102
22 Jun 2009 at 20:10 - 105
LMAO >reaper with no name < on that post.
Yo first off I was only replying to FengShuiDove post about His build.
2nd you don't need HoF since the cast time and recharge time of atk skills I'm using are enough.(energy is not a problem either)
3rd You Need To Get Laid.
Call it fake whatever you wanted to call it. I could careless
since this argument is pointless, have fun reading and replying because I wont be reading them. lol
HF
22 Jun 2009 at 20:22 - 106
Scythe Warriors and Scythe Sins don't beat primary dervishes in every way. They beat them in direct offensive and defensive power, but that isn't everything.
My favorite build, for example, involves WS and SY!. Scythe sin can't spam SY!, scythe warrior can't spam DW. They may outdamage and outtank me, but I do have something they don't.
The point I was making is that the build that guy used to get those numbers (as high as they were) was actually a bad build because it played to the dervish's weaknesses (lack of synergy with a scythe) instead of it's strengths (scythe mastery without wasting secondary profession). If there's a build out there that can do everything your build can do and more, then your build isn't "good", no matter how ridiculous it's numbers are. To be a "good" build, it has to have something the competition doesn't, in order to justify it's usage over some other build. The build that guy was using didn't have anything to offer that a scythe sin couldn't beat.
In other words, there's no point in trying to go pure offense as a dervish, because you'll never beat a scythe sin or scythe warrior at it. A "good" dervish build has to be able to do something that a scythe sin or scythe warrior can't do (a good example is AoM's condition immunity).
23 Jun 2009 at 08:44 - 107
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Originally Posted by reaper with no name
Scythe Warriors and Scythe Sins don't beat primary dervishes in every way. They beat them in direct offensive and defensive power, but that isn't everything.
My favorite build, for example, involves WS and SY!. Scythe sin can't spam SY!, scythe warrior can't spam DW. They may outdamage and outtank me, but I do have something they don't.
The point I was making is that the build that guy used to get those numbers (as high as they were) was actually a bad build because it played to the dervish's weaknesses (lack of synergy with a scythe) instead of it's strengths (scythe mastery without wasting secondary profession). If there's a build out there that can do everything your build can do and more, then your build isn't "good", no matter how ridiculous it's numbers are. To be a "good" build, it has to have something the competition doesn't, in order to justify it's usage over some other build. The build that guy was using didn't have anything to offer that a scythe sin couldn't beat.
In other words, there's no point in trying to go pure offense as a dervish, because you'll never beat a scythe sin or scythe warrior at it. A "good" dervish build has to be able to do something that a scythe sin or scythe warrior can't do (a good example is AoM's condition immunity).
And I agree that a dervish with SY! and WS is probably the best option out there, when playing "for real", or whatever you want to call it..
But you sound like the game is some serious business, where you have to compete with other players to be "better" or justify your build for some reason.. Where's the fun in that? It's a game, you can do whatever you want, and however you want it, and noone can tell you it's not good, or that you should change it. If you came up with a build that semi-works, and you're satisfied because it's your idea, it's original, and it's new, go for it, play it. I find new builds, that lack the strenghts you mentioned, fun to play, and that's what keeps the game interesting. I sometimes wish there was no pvx, and no guru, and people would come up with builds of their own, and actually try to figure out how something works and HAVE FUN. Nowadays all you have to do is make a new character, buy a couple of tomes and there you go - you have the "best" <insert profession> build. I don't want to play a build just because it's optimal, or the best build available, if I don't like it, or if it requires 1-2-3-repeat. Besides, you can pretty much wtfpwn everything with H/H running whatever build you come up with.
IMO.
23 Jun 2009 at 10:20 - 108
Sins look stupid with Scythes imo =) And besides if your lucky you crit most of the time with 16 scythe
+ You look a lot better =D
26 Jun 2009 at 15:31 - 112
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Originally Posted by SuperCoha
You can talk all day long of how a scythe sin/warrior beats a dervish in every possible way, but your profession seems to be D/W. How come, I'm just curious?
). And no that is not a lie I am rebuilding them since i have unlocked all monks skills and all warrior skills and over half the others. LOL got to laugh tho at how much you people are wanting to try to prove me wrong.
That is true when you are playing alone or with friends that don't mind.
That image is not photoshopped. I can run a similar build to him with a RANGER and deal 800~ at highest.