Zaishen Menagerie

BrettM

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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
You mean if you charm the Black Moa on characters that haven't already charmed it in the first place?
Yes. One of my ranger's heroes has the Black Moa, since my ranger didn't want to give up his authentic Green Hills Strider. But hero pets don't unlock statues in the HoM. Now he will be able to put Samo in the Menagerie for a bit while getting the Black Moa for the statue. It's fine if I have to send him back to Echovald, but he also wants one from the Menagerie to level to dire to replace the hero's pet. (The terrifying Black Moa looks rather unimpressive ... puny, even ... standing with the other L20 moas on the B.I.R.D. team, which are all dire or hearty. Margrid is demanding parity with Jin and Pyre, and she's a hard lady to refuse.) I'm hoping I can kill two moas with one stone by just charming one from the Menagerie.

MithranArkanere

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Wait... how will we unlock ax tier for pets that appear only as Elder like the Black Moa?

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
Wait... how will we unlock ax tier for pets that appear only as Elder like the Black Moa?
Zcoin/balth faction/gold.

Really training pets is such a PITA, I'm going to bet just buying the unlocks will be easier at this point...

Lonesamurai

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
Wait... how will we unlock ax tier for pets that appear only as Elder like the Black Moa?
thats a good question

maybe some only have the one evolution, like theres only one type of some runes

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
Wait... how will we unlock ax tier for pets that appear only as Elder like the Black Moa?
Any L20 evolution unlocks all evolutions on L15, so all you need to do is to pick up L15 dire or hearty moa at Menagerie and level them to 20.

Lonesamurai

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein View Post
Any L20 evolution unlocks all evolutions on L15, so all you need to do is to pick up L15 dire or hearty moa at Menagerie and level them to 20.
he means Elite pets like teh Black Moa that is auto lvl 20 when you cap it

however, according to the Wiki, i have this wrong:

Notes

  • Tamed Black Moas are always level 20 and have elder status.
  • Whenever you take a Black Moa Bird to the entrance of the Sunspear Great Hall, Nehdukah and his friends there will run away. The reason can be seen in the dialogue for the quest Hog Hunt. This does not seem to apply for hero pets.
  • The Black Moa can be displayed on the "Fellowship" monument in the Hall of Monuments.
  • There is no Black Moa miniature, but there is a Black Moa Chick.
  • There is currently no way to obtain a Dire or Hearty black moa, however the addition of the Zaishen Menagerie will change this.

zwei2stein

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonesamurai View Post
he means Elite pets like teh Black Moa that is auto lvl 20 when you cap it
L20 pet without evolution (Tier 6) unlocks all evolution on all lower tiers (up to and including Tier 5). That means you will get L15 version of all evolutions available.

Hence, you can relevel your elite pet to evolution of your choice

duckboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

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can the rainbow pheonix be added to the menagerie and will it be possible to then have it on me ranger instead of my koabd ele?

also, who here is thinking of taking a necro and going animal slaughtering and minion making in there?

RupDur78

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Join Date: Mar 2009

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well because of bordum i went though and capped all the pets even the ones that are duplicates so when this patch goes live ill at least have all of them....

Lonesamurai

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Quote:
Originally Posted by duckboy View Post
can the rainbow pheonix be added to the menagerie and will it be possible to then have it on me ranger instead of my koabd ele?
Yes

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Originally Posted by duckboy View Post
also, who here is thinking of taking a necro and going animal slaughtering and minion making in there?
SO tempting!!!

BenjZee

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or train pets against others..
btw
we all live...in a pokemon world..doo doo doo
I'm also interested in what you get as 'core' pets from the unlock pack.

Miss Sarah Lauren

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I just give myself something to do.. and I like it this way:P

BrettM

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen View Post
I'm also interested in what you get as 'core' pets from the unlock pack.
I don't plan on getting the unlock pack, since I'd rather do it myself. But, at a guess, perhaps all pets available in starting areas of each campaign. IIRC:

Prophecies: Moas, wolves, stalkers, warthogs, and black bears
Factions: Cranes and tigers
Nightfall: Flamingos, crocodiles, and warthogs
EotN: Polar bears, mountain eagles (the only pets near Boreal and the Eye)

That looks like a pretty good selection, though perhaps they'll throw in some other popular or common choices, such as lions or black wolves, and maybe some uncommon choices for variety, such as dune lizards.

Now, if ANet did something surprising, like adding a new Golden Moa skin, I'd buy this thing in a heartbeat.

duckboy

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Join Date: Mar 2007

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golden moa = baby chicken/duck

tho tbh wouldn't suprise me if they did do somethin like that to get ppl interested in buying it.

BrettM

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A Blue Moa, then, if you prefer.

Take a regular moa and change the hues from red/salmon to a nice parrot blue. Or a black dune lizard with red eyes. Or some other easy re-skin/re-color job on an existing animal model. It would be a great promotional tool! "Unique pet(s), available ONLY from the Zaishen Menagerie when unlocked by the Pet Unlock Pack!"

A simple idea (which is likely more complicated to implement than it sounds) that would probably boost sales quite a bit.

duckboy

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u a anet sales rep? :O !!!!

lol

BenjZee

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrettM View Post
A Blue Moa, then, if you prefer.

Take a regular moa and change the hues from red/salmon to a nice parrot blue. Or a black dune lizard with red eyes. Or some other easy re-skin/re-color job on an existing animal model. It would be a great promotional tool! "Unique pet(s), available ONLY from the Zaishen Menagerie when unlocked by the Pet Unlock Pack!"

A simple idea (which is likely more complicated to implement than it sounds) that would probably boost sales quite a bit.
dyable pets ...genious....i want a green moa

Nanood

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Mmm, my own private zoo.. That has to be fun for the first couple of weeks at least.

BenjZee

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on a side note what's a good place to just train a pet up to level 20

micosay

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen View Post
on a side note what's a good place to just train a pet up to level 20
Gogo Junundu.

BrettM

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen View Post
on a side note what's a good place to just train a pet up to level 20
You can use the Junundu, but the pet will end up unevolved/elder, which will not unlock the top dire/hearty tier.

If you want hearty, just take the pet along during regular play. Don't raise your BM attribute and take no skills but Comfort and Charm. It's fastest to do something in HM, such as vanquishes.

If you want dire, use the 10 Snow Wurms outside Boreal in HM. Take a monk hero (12 prot, 12 smite) set to Avoid Combat and have the hero bond the pet (Life Barrier, Life Bond, and Succor), as well as maintaining Strength of Honor on the pet. You should be at 12 Beast Mastery and have a full bar of pet buffs and attacks, plus Charm and Comfort. Let the pet kill the wurms. Do not assist in any way with wand or other weapon. At low levels, you will have to kill 10-15 wurms per level. As the pet's level increases, you will need to kill more. (Right now I'm leveling a dire warthog. It's at level 14 aggressive, and it takes 4+ runs to make a new level. But, the runs get quicker as the pet is able to do more damage.)

I've heard that another option for dire is to sic the pet on the Master of Healing on Nameless Isle. Go afk for a few hours and come back to find it leveled up. I haven't tried it, so I can't comment on the speed.

Megas XLR

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrettM View Post
I've heard that another option for dire is to sic the pet on the Master of Healing on Nameless Isle. Go afk for a few hours and come back to find it leveled up. I haven't tried it, so I can't comment on the speed.
Just kill some dummies in the Nameless Isle with your pet for about 30 minutes to an hour and then go Wurm leveling. That'll make him Dire.

MithranArkanere

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Every single pet I trained without points in Beast Mastery got to Hearty.
So Junundu are fine if all you want is to train it without spending points in Beast Mastery.

When I want dire, I get a build with 2..3 pets attacks and only pet skills.

So far never failed.

But getting Elder is REALLY hard for me.

Lonesamurai

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmithyBen View Post
dyable pets ...genious....i want a green moa
I sense Furrie attacks incoming

Veripare

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, Ontario

Ranger is coming out of retirement to finally get a Raven instead of his pet spider. And yes, I'm going to be going about all campaigns to cap and train by hand every beast there is. I love this new update

LoKi Foxfire

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Anyone else not able to retrieve their Rainbow Phoenix once it's been added?

MisterB

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmithyBen View Post
dyable pets ...genious....i want a green moa
TexMod. Seriously. There are Pandas and Polar Bear mods for the Black Bear, a Yellow Chocobo for the White Moa, black and white for the Snow Wolf, a Stalking Nightmare(Jet black with red eyes) for the Dune Lizard, etc. It's not hard to mod yourself if you only are changing the color.

This place allows you to unlock Rainbow Phoenix without grinding GWAMM. The Zaishen NPC will capture it for you for a small fee. A tiny one. Minsicule, really. OK, make that ginormous.

Apollo Smile

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Where is the love for the Zaishen Managerie? This place is gorgeous and you can tell it was well thought out. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you take a stroll around it.

Imaginos

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Quote:
Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire View Post
Anyone else not able to retrieve their Rainbow Phoenix once it's been added?
My friend had that problem with his L20 Raven once he added it. Wouldn't let him re-capture it at all.

I didn't have a problem with my Black Moa fwiw.

EDIT: fixed an error.

Stranger The Ranger

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Wow, they finally made Moss Spiders charmable. (still can't charm em at Pre though)

Nice Job Anet :>

Shakkara

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All nice and stuff, but I don't use pets on my main or heroes, and since we don't get a title for it it's quite a waste of time for me.

English Warrior

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile View Post
Where is the love for the Zaishen Managerie? This place is gorgeous and you can tell it was well thought out. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you take a stroll around it.
I agree it is a fantastic place, also has any1 else noticed the resolution has got better?

headlesshobbs

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Join Date: Apr 2006

The area already perked my interest in getting pets now that I've seen the place. Not being able to keep certain ones after trying to charm a new one really turned me off.

thelessa

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How/where do you charm the Moss Spiders?

StormX

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Er, so if I get this right, once you release a pet, the only way to get it back it to recharm one of the same species from the menagerie? >< I was hoping I would see my old pet with his original name running around in the menagerie but all I see are lvl 5s... what gives?

Tullzinski

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Originally Posted by thelessa View Post
How/where do you charm the Moss Spiders?
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Moss_Spider_Egg

soemthing to do with this I think but article is not completed yet

Lonesamurai

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Quote:
Originally Posted by English Warrior View Post
I agree it is a fantastic place, also has any1 else noticed the resolution has got better?
Glad its not just me

I tried to confirm this with someone at ANet and they say they haven't

English Warrior

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai View Post
Glad its not just me

I tried to confirm this with someone at ANet and they say they haven't
Some guildies are saying the same thing, huh, weird oh well im not complaining :X

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

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Quote:
Originally Posted by English Warrior View Post
I agree it is a fantastic place, also has any1 else noticed the resolution has got better?
The neat thing is that as you add more animals your island becomes more populated. each animal seems to have its own "living" area on the island somewhere.

BrettM

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What a wonderful thing ANet has created.

If you have a Black Moa or a White Tiger, be sure to tour the island and find them after you've added them to the Menagerie. Adorable! (If you're having trouble, talk to one of the Zaishen Handlers, who will tell you roughly where to look for a particular species.)

The NPCs, particularly the Naturalist and the Training Captain, have some interesting things to say. Damage types change on moas depending on evolution? (And it seems the White Moa is different than the regular in that regard.)

I'm rather surprised that the Training Captain is able to show you level 20 Aggressive and Playful animals, since there isn't any way to keep an animal in those evolutions by training them yourself. Or there wasn't. Perhaps that's changed?