What NEEDS to be done about the makeover

Ok so...

Maybe we might be able to work something out with Anet on the purchase of makovers.

First of all, I'm not demanding the makeover be completely free, but I do think it's a bit unreasonable currently.

I propose:
-Hair styles be made free or cost ingame gold.

-The full options are opened to character creation.


Did you know that every time we create a character, we're now limited to 1/3rd of the current options. That's right, it's costing us real money to unlock 2/3rds of the options for character creation.

Our initial purchase of the game should cover EVERYTHING that is important to gameplay... Character creation, though it doesnt effect the combat, is extremely important to the RP factor. We should not be paying extra for a majority of the options!


So sign here if you think these terms are reasonable, or you think makeovers should be completely free, OR if you have your own idea.

Character Creation does not matter to me. Charge or don't it does not provide any real advantage in any way shape or form. Now Storage, that is an issue that I do not agree with. I think that should be available for free.

they can't make everyone happy...that's why they should never try to. Stop crying. life is rough, deal with it.

Worst answer possible. This game is meant to be F2P, not Korean make-over Wars. Seriously, stop being a fanboy and realized that Anet RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up big time.

Make all the options available with ingame gold?

That would be really cool. That's what I would have expected from the old dev team. No offense to the new fellas or anything.


I kinda feel like one of my biggest dreams for GW was suddenly added then ripped away from me.

Hair changing, with in game gold only.

That's the only one that bugs me. At this rate now, GWs is going to be nothing more then a F2P POS.

Gender change, total change up, ok price it. Maybe even give them some hairstyles only makeover buyers have access to. But just changing your hair or even maybe dying it a different color for that matter, in game gold & dye.

Edit: I didn't know they locked part of the character creation now. So I'll take it back. GWs IS a F2P POS now

Well, no they didnt lock anything. But i'm saying that now that all of the campaigns are mixed, the original settings seem kind of limited.

An in-game option would be nice -- even if it was something crazy like 50 ecto per change. We need more money-sinks anyway.

(Actually, 50e seems pretty reasonable if people are willing to shell out 75 for non-matching chaos gloves. :P)

No, they didn't lock part of the character creation. If you buy makeover credits you can give your character features from any of the campaigns. So, for instance, your character can have a Factions face with Prophecies hair. But that option is only available if you do it in the makeover screen, not in the character creation screen. Which is the same as it's always been. The OP was a little misleading.

they wont change it, people have already paid for changes and Im sure anet wouldnt want to deal with refunds and such.

From the official game updates page. The character creation screen can't show all the combinations now possible through the makeover system. And honestly, you get 5 makeovers for $10 (unless you want to change gender). That is pretty inexpensive.

they get paid more than you, you want their work, you pay for it.

Quit your bitching about a game... They didn't even need to give us these OPTIONS. Find something to worry about irl...

It's too late to make any changes to the in-game store upgrades that have already rolled out. Just think about it. If they suddenly give us other ways to change the hair and face it will only help them lose customers that already bought the original makeover packs. It may be a bit callous of some posters to say this but I have to agree that we have to live with it now, unfortunately.

Whether it's inexpensive or overpriced depends on how you will use it. For example, I only need to change the face of one of my characters one time and that's it, so for me a makeover pack is overpriced. But for someone else who would like to change their characters lots of times it could be considered inexpensive.

The game is FREE TO PLAY. You just got an extra equipment pack and an extra 20 slot storage pane FOR FREE. You got 3 new ways to earn faction xp and money per day FOR FREE, plus the whole zoo thingy FOR FREE. If you don't want the extras don't buy them. But for god's sake quit bitching.

My solution that I already posted once on another topic:

"I think one of the problems is that they don't sell things in smaller portions. What if I only wanted to change one character's looks? I don't want to pay $10 for that! Technically it's $2 per a change anyways which is more reasonable IMO, so why not sell them in singles for $2 each? They could even refine that further... $2 total but 5 things to change (hair style, hair color, face, skin color, and/or body scale) so 40c for each thing. They could sell tokens for 40c each that only change one thing at a time, or they could sell 5 of them for $2 each. And they could they could easily bump the singles up to 50c and probably sell more too.

The way it is now is just greedy and will probably hurt them more than anything (the same thing for Skill Packs... hate those... they should have made Profession Packs or sell each skill for like 5c each... that would actually be MORE than what most skills cost in packs. Plus it would be better for PvP characters + heros as most professions don't even cost 9.99 to unlock everything on them). Anet just fails with pricing."

Who actually RPs anyways?

The underlying reason for that is credit card transaction fees. If they charge too low for a single thing they won't earn much if any revenue because there is a minimum fee to be paid to credit card companies for every transaction. As far as I know this applies to most companies, Walmart and the like let people use credit card for stuff like a pack of gum only because they earn enough profit from other people buying a lot at a time.

Oh really? Well that is lame. Too bad there wasn't other ways that would circumvent that.

You do all realise that they wasted this month's update for this instead of updating skills?

Microtransactions for useless aesthetic s***? If it keeps the game F2P and lets them pump out more content in the long run, yes please.

I did a while ago... I wish we had people who thought as if they played the game. The best thing they could have done is a 4th year skill update blowout... like every skill reviewed and tweaked. That would make much more of an impact than this, which they could have periodically rolled out the month after.

Heh wow, imagine that. Non dartboard buffs that affect more than 5 skills. *Drool*

Because looks have a HUGE effect on gameplay.

Oh wait...no they don't.

/signed for in game gold idea. Not worth real money to do.

When I heard you have to pay real money to get a makeover etc. I thought it was insane. Most other games have makeover NPC's in-game which can change your look for the price of a few thousand in-game gold. Usually for around 3k. The ideas are brilliant, but paying real money to get the basic things everyone should already have access to, is rediculous. They should add a Makeover NPC in game and charge in-game gold like most MMORPG's with these features.

Even though they probably won't change it, something so simple should be accessed by all, not just the people who have credit cards or who'd spend their earnings all on GW. If it was something like a massive dungeon package or access to more creatures/areas, sure, you should pay if you want those extras, but changing your looks? Please.

/signed

I don't know if you're being ironic, but there are ways around that. Xbox Live and Wii Network (whatever it's called) use "points" systems for just that reason. XBL can sell you 400 points for $5, which justifies the card transaction fees, and they can (though do not often, in practice) then put out updates for 50 points ($0.62) or less. Buying 1000 GWPoints for $10 and charging 50 points for one makeover would work just as you describe, leaving you with 950 points left rather than a bunch of makeover credits you'll never use.

They can keep the payment option, just ad another in game option for the people who aren't lazy. If you can buy skills with Balthazar points and in the online store, I see no reason as to why we can't do the same to the cosmetic update.

Charging money for something that doesn't even affect the servers is lame. Don't piss off your fans anymore then you already have.

Oh come on... Has everyone realized that this is a capitalist world for the most part. Anet is like any other company trying to make money and spend money. It takes all of your considerations and use it as money making opportunities.

In addition, taken into perspective why did they put a real price on the storage and makeup? I would like to think that they probably need the funding to support GW2 to go on the market.

And to think if Anet had just not bothered with this update to begin with then no one would be whining about it right now...

All I want is a simple and single feature unlock.

I don't want to pay every time I want to change a character. What I want is to be able to change the appearance of every ascended character anytime without restrictions.

So if they ever decide to make a 'Eternal Stylist' pack or something like that, so you pay once and you can change characters forever, I'll get that, regardless of price.
Otherwise I'll never touch the feature.

I HATE micropayment features. Having to pay each time I want to use the feature is something that I can't stand.
If they don't change that, I won't even think about the feature.

Pay 40€..100€ and change forever? Ok.
Pay 8.99€ to make 1 or 5 changes? NEVER. EVER. In my life..

IMO there should be a stylist that would take GP as payment. My thoughts are that this game needs more moneysinks. This would help fix the economy if the prices for the actions were correct. Plus I think there is something wrong with making people pay money for things they shouldn't have to. Making basic character changes (not name) should have been something that was included to begin with. It's not like they had to add hairstyles.

For example
Hair Dye = 100 GP
Hair style change = 1K
Skin color change = 10K
Face change = 50K
Gender Change = 100K

It was really bothering me last night when I was playing around with the preview functions and the only one I really wanted to change was my nec's hairstyle, but I sure as hell didn't like the idea of throwing $10 for it. Not when I'm fine with everyone else looking the way they are currently.

If people want to have another option for this feature, Anet needs to get right on it.

/signed

Nice update and the feature to mix and match character appearances from all 3 campaigns was a surprise. While I agree that a payment should exist (as the devs worked for it) I find the prices a bit excessive and badly thought.

Was looking at the prices (in euros currency)

Character Name change: 12.99 euros.
For 5 uses Makeover without gender change: 8.99 euros.
for 1 use extreme makeover: 8.99 euros.

So I have a paragon I don't like, would love to make it female and change his name. Partially my fault for not choosing well, however mistakes happen.

So I made the total sum for complete gender, appearance name change: 21.98 euros for 1 CHARACTER.

I agree on mithran's proposal. I won't bother buying anything at those prices, I can spend them in a much more useful way.

Keep in mind the game in general has remained free for everyone after they have purchased whatever expansion, etc. While they do need to fund the work they do, and so must find some way to generate income, it would seem to me that the ONLY things reasonable to charge actual real world money for would BE aesthetics. It seems there are a lot of folks out there who are ignorant about how much money goes into keeping this game live and running. On the other hand, its pretty lame when the only way to get some kind of in game edge or advantage is to pay money. The makeover pack gives someone a chance to have something that sets their character apart and marks them as someone who's spent a little extra money on the game, without creating a situation where someone feels extorted into paying real money just to keep up with the current skill or ability edge.

I'm sure I'll have plenty of people who will disagree, but keep game affecting upgrades free, and extra like this, charge for all you want. I'm sure there are fools out there who would spend 9 bucks for a small advantage, but most thinking human beings would rather not, lol.

One little thing before I go off again - title should be "What SHOULD be done about the makeover", because it's not like the game will collapse on itself if nothing happens. But anyway...

As I've said before, I really, really, really don't like this new format. It's stupid, it's expensive, I've got tons of better ways of spending my money, and I don't like how they've chosen to charge us for something so minor. I know ANet needs to make money, but going all MapleStory on us isn't going to do it. And I'm not even sure how much they need these particular sales. I'm willing to bet, from the crowd around the stylist when I checked yesterday morning, that maybe a fifth, a quarter of the population will buy this. I'm not really sure. Most people just won't care... I hope. But that's another story. Anyway, that's $10 per person for a one-time thing... I doubt more than a small fraction of those people will be repeat customers on that, because most people are just fixing a couple things, or so it seems, and then they'll leave their charas alone. What bugs me is all these people going "Oh well you don't want ANet to go broke do you?" when AT THE SAME TIME the news is coming out that sales have hit 6 million. It's not like they're not still selling games. Heck, you just need to look in the Q&A to see all the threads of "Is this game any good" that end in "Hey, I went out and bought the trilogy since it was only $30," or all the "Okay, so I bought the game, now what" threads. And those are just the ones who came to us. Nor does everyone have all the games - my friend whom I've just introduced to the game is contemplating getting another campaign, and my guildie Kity finally completed her collection just this past week. They're still selling tons of games - on one of the other "we're angry" threads someone had the statistics, and they were impressive for a 4-year-old game. So maybe ANet's not so strapped for cash.

Oh, and technically Amazon's selling preorders for GW2 for like 50 bucks, though I don't know who would buy them when we haven't seen anything new for that game since 2007.

So I guess I'm in the boat with the IGG people... Winterclaw's model looked good to me. I'd been ready to sink 5-10k on a new 'do, but I ain't wasting my cash.

@ Qing: Post very well thought, I agree with it.

I know at least 2 ppl that started the game a month or two ago and they already have 2 campaigns. With those current prices on the makeovers, Anet will be more at a loss than gain here.

This statement is Fallacious. I paid good money for each and every chapter and to support anet at the time i bought every single chapter as collectors editions. Anet merely doesn't charge a monthy fee. That doesn't mean the games "Free". If it were I could just dl it and play it with no money spent. That is not the case.

Move Along.

Wait till its a buck to log in a character and 25c every time you do a character swap... then they can add another fee for when you want to loot/pick up a good item that dropped.

"7 ectos are on the ground for you to loot, would you like to loot these ectos? please enter your cc number or paypal info here...total cost 7$".


When a game company has a publisher they work out a deal with the publisher to fund the creation of a game. It's why game companies go to publishers.

/agreed

Now maybe they should have made these not so micro transactions into true micro transactions.

ALL storage panes for 9$
Unlimited Makeovers 9$
1 Extreme Makeover + 1 Name Change 9$

Package Deal All of the above 20$