"Equipment" pack - big let down, but additional space welcome
AtomicMew
The entire suggestion for having equipment slots was to make it impossible to accidentally sell your equipment. When you weapon switch, your equipment will still shuffle to the front of your inventory. Your equipment does not actually stay in the equipment pack, which makes it non-functional.
Gift3d
Actually that's what the "Hey, jackass, are you sure you want to sell your req9 obsidian edge? [yes/no]" box was for. 100% functional.
HawkofStorms
Don't store weapons you are actually using in your equipment pack.
Simple. Just store extra gear (ie, headgear for attributes you aren't using).
Simple. Just store extra gear (ie, headgear for attributes you aren't using).
Bekkr
Hmm, my stuff seems to swap back and forth between the equipment pack just fine. Sounds like you're getting the dreaded PEBKAC error. Sorry to hear it.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by traversc
The entire suggestion for having equipment slots was to make it impossible to accidentally sell your equipment.
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To add, if I weapon switch my weapons they stay together nicely in my equipmant pack, so I don't know what's wrong with yours.
And like Gift3d already said, if a weapon is linked to one of your weapon sets, a confirmation box pops up, asking if you really want to sell this item. So even if your weapon gets placed in your backpack, you still need to push a button to sell the weapon set item.
cthulhu reborn
What gets me is the big irony of this all.
The characters that really need the equipment packs are the pve characters, because obviously you don't need much inventory space in pvp as there are no drops there.
Having looked at the zaishen rewards, ironically, it's the pvp challenges that get you the most coins. So if you are a pve player it will take a character about 2-3 months to get a heavy equipment bag.
It is a double irony that people have been looking forward to this, needing the extra storage so they can go out and do stuff without having to worry about the extra armours taking up precious inventory space, only to find out will take months of playing your character to get the desired equipment pack.
To me this rates as epic fail. Especially since I have 14 characters...but even if you have only one character you can only get some many coins in a day so it will take over 2 months if you play everyday anyway...unless you do pvp...very ironic indeed.
Example from today:
Kill Molotov Rocktail (HM) : 70 copper
Do Blacktide Den (with bonus in HM) : 50 copper (much more work than killing Molotov btw)
AB challenge : 175 copper total for winning 8 times and having at least one big win in it.
The only PvP I do are JQ and FA and random arena's. Considering that I will miss out on the big points. I dont do AB because AB is pretty much dominated by luxons and I just dont play both sides. Not my style. Which means that as a pve player, who really needs those bags I need over 2 months to get the gold coins needed for a heavy equipment bag as I said earlier...again EPIC FAIL.
The characters that really need the equipment packs are the pve characters, because obviously you don't need much inventory space in pvp as there are no drops there.
Having looked at the zaishen rewards, ironically, it's the pvp challenges that get you the most coins. So if you are a pve player it will take a character about 2-3 months to get a heavy equipment bag.
It is a double irony that people have been looking forward to this, needing the extra storage so they can go out and do stuff without having to worry about the extra armours taking up precious inventory space, only to find out will take months of playing your character to get the desired equipment pack.
To me this rates as epic fail. Especially since I have 14 characters...but even if you have only one character you can only get some many coins in a day so it will take over 2 months if you play everyday anyway...unless you do pvp...very ironic indeed.
Example from today:
Kill Molotov Rocktail (HM) : 70 copper
Do Blacktide Den (with bonus in HM) : 50 copper (much more work than killing Molotov btw)
AB challenge : 175 copper total for winning 8 times and having at least one big win in it.
The only PvP I do are JQ and FA and random arena's. Considering that I will miss out on the big points. I dont do AB because AB is pretty much dominated by luxons and I just dont play both sides. Not my style. Which means that as a pve player, who really needs those bags I need over 2 months to get the gold coins needed for a heavy equipment bag as I said earlier...again EPIC FAIL.
Anna Ryan
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In around 5 days you'll have 1 20 tab equipment bag for a char, so in 1 month and a half you'll have it an every of your chars. Massive grind ? Not really *looks at eotn rep titles for 14 chars*
Bug in the system now is that you can't yet place the coins in storage, but that's being worked on according to variable sources ^^ But that shouldn't stop you from getting ahead and get those coins on every char
This is what I'm doing btw, since I too have 14 chars
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-Makai-
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
What gets me is the big irony of this all.
The characters that really need the equipment packs are the pve characters, because obviously you don't need much inventory space in pvp as there are no drops there. Having looked at the zaishen rewards, ironically, it's the pvp challenges that get you the most coins. So if you are a pve player it will take a character about 2-3 months to get a heavy equipment bag. It is a double irony that people have been looking forward to this, needing the extra storage so they can go out and do stuff without having to worry about the extra armours taking up precious inventory space, only to find out will take months of playing your character to get the desired equipment pack. To me this rates as epic fail. Especially since I have 14 characters...but even if you have only one character you can only get some many coins in a day so it will take over 2 months if you play everyday anyway...unless you do pvp...very ironic indeed. Example from today: Kill Molotov Rocktail (HM) : 70 copper Do Blacktide Den (with bonus in HM) : 50 copper (much more work than killing Molotov btw) AB challenge : 175 copper total for winning 8 times and having at least one big win in it. The only PvP I do are JQ and FA and random arena's. Considering that I will miss out on the big points. I dont do AB because AB is pretty much dominated by luxons and I just dont play both sides. Not my style. Which means that as a pve player, who really needs those bags I need over 2 months to get the gold coins needed for a heavy equipment bag as I said earlier...again EPIC FAIL. |
Lyndka
I can see where Anet are coming from with the new rewards, in the two years of playing I've not before seen Fort Ranik get to 3 districts on the US side!
However, I am disappointed as a PvE player with no interest at all in PvP and with 5 or 6 active characters of my 10 that the equipment packs are so hard to get hold of ingame. I understand that perhaps Anet don't want Zcoins to become THE currency instead of ecto's or black dyes but I think a more fair method of making them available could be considered as the update works in.
It could perhaps be that Zcoins could also be made available by a 'merchant' NPC who will only talk or sell to a given rank (say rank 5 or 6 as with EoTn consets) in certain titles e.g. Sunspear, LB, Mastery of the North (and perhaps even exchange tournament rewards for Zcoins as well as Zkeys)? It would then mean that PvE'rs still have a challenge to raise their rank but are able to do it across the game rather than grind at one or two quests.
However, I am disappointed as a PvE player with no interest at all in PvP and with 5 or 6 active characters of my 10 that the equipment packs are so hard to get hold of ingame. I understand that perhaps Anet don't want Zcoins to become THE currency instead of ecto's or black dyes but I think a more fair method of making them available could be considered as the update works in.
It could perhaps be that Zcoins could also be made available by a 'merchant' NPC who will only talk or sell to a given rank (say rank 5 or 6 as with EoTn consets) in certain titles e.g. Sunspear, LB, Mastery of the North (and perhaps even exchange tournament rewards for Zcoins as well as Zkeys)? It would then mean that PvE'rs still have a challenge to raise their rank but are able to do it across the game rather than grind at one or two quests.
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by Anna Ryan
Look at it this way, so you don't do the AB quest, fine, you still get 130 coins, do that on all your 14 chars= 1680 coins/day (granted it's boring to do the same thing over again 14 times
In around 5 days you'll have 1 20 tab equipment bag for a char, so in 1 month and a half you'll have it an every of your chars. Massive grind ? Not really *looks at eotn rep titles for 14 chars* Bug in the system now is that you can't yet place the coins in storage, but that's being worked on according to variable sources ^^ But that shouldn't stop you from getting ahead and get those coins on every char This is what I'm doing btw, since I too have 14 chars ) |
You will find that the 120 (not 130 coins) then is a matter of 360 a day and then it comes down to 7500 divided by 360 which is about 21 straight days for one character and that times 14 is 294 days if you don't skip a day.
Imaginos
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Originally Posted by Anna Ryan
Look at it this way, so you don't do the AB quest, fine, you still get 130 coins, do that on all your 14 chars= 1680 coins/day (granted it's boring to do the same thing over again 14 times
In around 5 days you'll have 1 20 tab equipment bag for a char, so in 1 month and a half you'll have it an every of your chars. Massive grind ? Not really *looks at eotn rep titles for 14 chars* Bug in the system now is that you can't yet place the coins in storage, but that's being worked on according to variable sources ^^ But that shouldn't stop you from getting ahead and get those coins on every char This is what I'm doing btw, since I too have 14 chars ) |
So yah you're totally ignoring the time required to just go and do these missions.
Imaginos
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
The only problem with this is that I dont have 14 hours a day to play this game so your plan fails right there. I am only willing to spend 2-3 hours a day max on this, which is much more realistic.
You will find that the 120 (not 130 coins) then is a matter of 360 a day and then it comes down to 7500 divided by 360 which is about 21 straight days for one character and that times 14 is 294 days if you don't skip a day. |
Longasc
Their zaishen coin prices are way off.
Token systems in other games are ways to provide equipment and stuff to people, to do aways with loot luck and such things (e.g. WoW).
In GW, they are just heavy grind for very basic items like storage.
I do not understand why a necessary and convenient item costs so much.
A rare Moss Spider, a pure vanity pet/item, costs 5 Zaishen Gold Coins. That takes some time, but well... it is a vanity item.
IMO they should add a NUDE JORA Minipet or something similarly hilarious for tons of Zaishen Coins. Vanity Shields and Weapons you cannot acquire elsewhere, you get the idea. Something like the really expensive, coins wise, Everlasting Fireworks box.
But a BAG?
This is like giving you the storage you needed after you already learnt for months to live without it.
Token systems in other games are ways to provide equipment and stuff to people, to do aways with loot luck and such things (e.g. WoW).
In GW, they are just heavy grind for very basic items like storage.
I do not understand why a necessary and convenient item costs so much.
A rare Moss Spider, a pure vanity pet/item, costs 5 Zaishen Gold Coins. That takes some time, but well... it is a vanity item.
IMO they should add a NUDE JORA Minipet or something similarly hilarious for tons of Zaishen Coins. Vanity Shields and Weapons you cannot acquire elsewhere, you get the idea. Something like the really expensive, coins wise, Everlasting Fireworks box.
But a BAG?
This is like giving you the storage you needed after you already learnt for months to live without it.
Fril Estelin
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I dont do AB because AB is pretty much dominated by luxons and I just dont play both sides. Not my style. Which means that as a pve player, who really needs those bags I need over 2 months to get the gold coins needed for a heavy equipment bag as I said earlier...again EPIC FAIL.
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You may get the bad very, very soon, if you're ready to pay for it. Yesterday night someone was already selling an everlasting crate, which requires 50 gold zoins! I initially thought it'd be akin to grind, but it's not if you get good fun playing.
Anna Ryan
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Originally Posted by Imaginos
So someone should spend 14+ hours a day to do the missions on 14 characters for coins huh? Then toss in another hour or so to kill molotov 14 times. Who has that kind of time?
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Boss: 5 min on my own
Both HM
= 35 min for each char, 7 hours for them all, i agree it's long and boring, I don't do it all the time either, more like 3 hours I spend on getting those coins. And after 4 years of play, my chars can access any place in GW. Your point again ?
Gli
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
You may get the bad very, very soon, if you're ready to pay for it. Yesterday night someone was already selling an everlasting crate, which requires 50 gold zoins! I initially thought it'd be akin to grind, but it's not if you get good fun playing.
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Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Gli
That crate likely popped from a gift of the traveler.
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ele pl
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I will repeat the same suggestion i am repeating everytime:
1. Make zqeusts available once for entire account each day
2. Due to the 2. Increase Rewards by like 10-20 %
3. Forgot about that one, gonna check my previous posts
That will made everything fine. People interested in doing zqeusts for a good reward won't needed to repeat it on their all characters. Everyone will get good reward.
Imaginos
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Originally Posted by Anna Ryan
Mission : 30 min with a guildie and rest heroes
Boss: 5 min on my own Both HM = 35 min for each char, 7 hours for them all, i agree it's long and boring, I don't do it all the time either, more like 3 hours I spend on getting those coins. And after 4 years of play, my chars can access any place in GW. Your point again ? |
The costs are extremely excessive.
Now something like
3 silver coins for a 10 slot
1 gold for a 15 slot
3 gold for a 20 slot
is far more reasonable and may not fall under "excessive grind".
Red Sonya
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Originally Posted by traversc
The entire suggestion for having equipment slots was to make it impossible to accidentally sell your equipment. When you weapon switch, your equipment will still shuffle to the front of your inventory. Your equipment does not actually stay in the equipment pack, which makes it non-functional.
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Imaginos
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Originally Posted by ele pl
Actually, its 6 wins.
I will repeat the same suggestion i am repeating everytime: 1. Make zqeusts available once for entire account each day 2. Due to the 2. Increase Rewards by like 10-20 % 3. Forgot about that one, gonna check my previous posts That will made everything fine. People interested in doing zqeusts for a good reward won't needed to repeat it on their all characters. Everyone will get good reward. |
Currently 120ish coins for doing the hunt and mission in HM. If you spent 4 hours doing this (1 hour per character) you'd get 480 coins. Almost enough for 10 silver (500 coins).
Now if Anet made this account based instead of character based then you'd get 120ish coins a day + your suggested 10-20% increase (we'll use 20%)...that's 144 coins. A FAR cry from 480 coins the way it currently is if you spent 4 hours farming coins. and a HUGE gap from 7500 to get a bag. It would actually take far, far longer for people to get bags with only a 20% increase. You'd need 5 times the reward to make a difference if it were account based only (120ish coins @ x5 = 600, just over a silver coin a day...that would be a 20 slot bag in just under 2 weeks, 12 days ish.)
That would be a single 20 slot bag only in just under 2 weeks.
faraaz
I'm using my equipment pack to store shields atm...
I have +10 vs slashing (for tanking in FoW & Urgoz), +10 vs cold (wastes, those avalanches when I'm running to the keg farm), +10 vs. lightning (lightning forest in FoW, charged in UW), +10 vs. earth (tanking in Foundry), +10 vs. demons (other parts of DoA), +10 vs. piercing (traps while in mtns), +10 vs. fire (wastes again, FoW burning forest etc) and a 20% reduce crippling shield (when I run pits or plains & dont take IAU with me, in UW).
It is convenient because I swap shields a LOT (sometimes 2-3 shields in a matter of a few minutes) so having them all lined up in the inventory in a separate pack kind of helps. I'm working on getting myself the 20 slot inventory pack thing, because then I can carry my Blessed, Survivor, Radiant armor sets along with my shields, which makes armor swapping in DoA & Urgoz etc a lot easier.
I have +10 vs slashing (for tanking in FoW & Urgoz), +10 vs cold (wastes, those avalanches when I'm running to the keg farm), +10 vs. lightning (lightning forest in FoW, charged in UW), +10 vs. earth (tanking in Foundry), +10 vs. demons (other parts of DoA), +10 vs. piercing (traps while in mtns), +10 vs. fire (wastes again, FoW burning forest etc) and a 20% reduce crippling shield (when I run pits or plains & dont take IAU with me, in UW).
It is convenient because I swap shields a LOT (sometimes 2-3 shields in a matter of a few minutes) so having them all lined up in the inventory in a separate pack kind of helps. I'm working on getting myself the 20 slot inventory pack thing, because then I can carry my Blessed, Survivor, Radiant armor sets along with my shields, which makes armor swapping in DoA & Urgoz etc a lot easier.
Silent Coyote
Agreed the requirements for z-rewards are way to high. I work during the week so only really get to play during the weekend, and then not for long as I have other things to do as well. Basically I can forget about ever getting a 20 slot equipment bag as I will be playing GW2 long before I have the required coins.
Raccoon
It was my understanding that the equipment pack would not have anything to do with the storage bags and belt pouches, and rather, would be an extra item screen to store armor and weapons. That way you could switch into a whole new set of armor instantly (or weapon set) and not have to fear the merchant.
All they did was give us some extra inventory space.
woo >_>
All they did was give us some extra inventory space.
woo >_>
ogre_jd
Really, most people won't need anything more than the 5-slot bag (ie, to keep a spare set for PvP, or to keep a couple of helmets & weapons around for when they change their build's main attribute; especially Warriors - having those 5 slots to carry around the two of axe/sword/hammer you're not currently using, plus a runed helmet for them, is well worth the 2.5p, or doing the pre-Searing quest for it ), and 2.5p is nothing by the time you reach the point where having armor/weapon changes become viable.
Of course, there are some exceptions, such as the seemingly crazy-prepared faraaz, but most people who need 10-20 extra armor/weapon storage slots are farmers. And having them complain about grind...
), and 2.5p is nothing by the time you reach the point where having armor/weapon changes become viable.Of course, there are some exceptions, such as the seemingly crazy-prepared faraaz, but most people who need 10-20 extra armor/weapon storage slots are farmers. And having them complain about grind...
FoxBat
- I asked Linsey and she said they initially tried to make the quests account-based but ran into too many issues, so this is what we are stuck with.
- The time/effort (including organizaiton) vs reward of doing any of the pvp modes so far pales compared to running Molotov and BWB HM on several characters. Unless you are a top guild, hitting the bonus conditions on more than one character is a serious pain.
Every pvp-ready character needs at least 8 shields, in addition to 2-3 equipment swaps per attribute, and at least 5 extra armor pieces with runing but probably more. If you want to PvE "optimally" then you need all that stuff too.
- The time/effort (including organizaiton) vs reward of doing any of the pvp modes so far pales compared to running Molotov and BWB HM on several characters. Unless you are a top guild, hitting the bonus conditions on more than one character is a serious pain.
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Chorus
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1. Make zqeusts available once for entire account each day
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MithranArkanere
Storage and market are two of the most pressing issues in GW.
You can't add a feature to store more items, and make it so once you get it, GW2 goes out.
On top of that, they are separate 5, 10, 15 and 20 bags. So people will just buy the 5 slots ba, and then go directly to the 20 slots bags.
Why to add the 10 and 15 bags then?
The bigger bags should be replaced with runes that increase each size to the next one.
And, of course, their prices should be reduced from gold to silver, and, even better, makeing them available in other places.
Those in Zaishen collectors should be A way so PvP-only players can get them without gold, not THE way to get them.
You can't add a feature to store more items, and make it so once you get it, GW2 goes out.
On top of that, they are separate 5, 10, 15 and 20 bags. So people will just buy the 5 slots ba, and then go directly to the 20 slots bags.
Why to add the 10 and 15 bags then?
The bigger bags should be replaced with runes that increase each size to the next one.
And, of course, their prices should be reduced from gold to silver, and, even better, makeing them available in other places.
Those in Zaishen collectors should be A way so PvP-only players can get them without gold, not THE way to get them.
Dante the Warlord
I only really need one 20 pack for my main since he is the only one with 1 (maybe another on on the way) extra set of armor and the most weapons...
The rest could make do with a 10 pack, but its still around 20 gold coins that I need to get =/. I would rather them sell the coins. It seems that each bronze coin = 10g silver coin = 500g and gold coin = 5k
The rest could make do with a 10 pack, but its still around 20 gold coins that I need to get =/. I would rather them sell the coins. It seems that each bronze coin = 10g silver coin = 500g and gold coin = 5k
Esprit
It would have been wiser to just make the equipment packs a gold sink rather than a huge time sink.
Because Anet, I have a job (that allows me to pay the internet bills just to play GW) and obligations that do not give me the luxury of being able to dedicate my time soley to these Zaishen Missions/Quests/Bounties. I might as well write off the rest of the game if I even want to see one equipment pack on any of my characters in the near future.
Because Anet, I have a job (that allows me to pay the internet bills just to play GW) and obligations that do not give me the luxury of being able to dedicate my time soley to these Zaishen Missions/Quests/Bounties. I might as well write off the rest of the game if I even want to see one equipment pack on any of my characters in the near future.
faraaz
Wish we could trade in z-keys for z gold coins... 
Solas
It's ment to be somthing you get with time, I'll just do them now and again on my main ( as in not daily) till the summer where if i really want i'll do it daily
Arkantos
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UndeadRoadkill
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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn
people have been looking forward to this, needing the extra storage so they can go out and do stuff without having to worry about the extra armours taking up precious inventory space, only to find out will take months of playing your character to get the desired equipment pack
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LoKi Foxfire
The 20 slot costs the most in terms of coins per slot too. This doesn't really surprise me since A-Net's concept of content is basically new things to grind...
The best part of this update has been Nicholas the Traveler... at least he has some sort of story and gives you new stuff without requiring a massive investment of time.
The best part of this update has been Nicholas the Traveler... at least he has some sort of story and gives you new stuff without requiring a massive investment of time.
Daesu
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Originally Posted by ele pl
Actually, its 6 wins.
I will repeat the same suggestion i am repeating everytime: 1. Make zqeusts available once for entire account each day 2. Due to the 2. Increase Rewards by like 10-20 % 3. Forgot about that one, gonna check my previous posts That will made everything fine. People interested in doing zqeusts for a good reward won't needed to repeat it on their all characters. Everyone will get good reward. |
Think about it, 20% increase is still less than 100% increase, so as long as I have more than 1 character, your suggestion would make the zcoins grind worse. Since I have 8 characters, the reward needs to be 700% higher so I can just do it once instead of 8 times.
JoeKnowMo
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Originally Posted by traversc
The entire suggestion for having equipment slots was to make it impossible to accidentally sell your equipment. When you weapon switch, your equipment will still shuffle to the front of your inventory. Your equipment does not actually stay in the equipment pack, which makes it non-functional.
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Solution: Make sure you equip a shield/offhand in ALL weapon slots, including with your two-handed weapons. This also gives you an extra slot in your inventory.
Boneyard Spleeneater
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Originally Posted by Esprit
It would have been wiser to just make the equipment packs a gold sink rather than a huge time sink.
Because Anet, I have a job (that allows me to pay the internet bills just to play GW) and obligations that do not give me the luxury of being able to dedicate my time soley to these Zaishen Missions/Quests/Bounties. I might as well write off the rest of the game if I even want to see one equipment pack on any of my characters in the near future. |
Perhaps we need to get the guys at ANet girlfriends. Then they will understand why grind is bad.
AtomicMew
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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo
This problem occurs when you don't have 2 items equipped in ALL your weapon slots. So when you swap from a 1-hand weapon & offhand/shield combo to a 2-handed weapon, the 1-hand weapon or the offhand gets put at the top of your inventory.
Solution: Make sure you equip a shield/offhand in ALL weapon slots, including with your two-handed weapons. This also gives you an extra slot in your inventory. |
But still, it really is just extra storage. The limitation for only equipment is kind of dumb since the only time you have storage problems is when you have 20+ UNIDs, anyway. It doesn't function differently at all from regular packs.
cthulhu reborn
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Well, first you should wait for the next quests, there may be "some kind of" balance. But I appreciate the subtle emphasis on PvP, honestly, AB is NOT dominated by Luxons, although I believe they have an edge. I played 9 games as Kurzick yesterday (with Guru people!) and we won 7, two games with more than 200. I was hoping to get into a dummy GvG game yesterday but didn't find the time. Seeing people PUGing again was very nice and I hope we, collectively, are all going to have more fun, and PvP will have its fair share.
You may get the bad very, very soon, if you're ready to pay for it. Yesterday night someone was already selling an everlasting crate, which requires 50 gold zoins! I initially thought it'd be akin to grind, but it's not if you get good fun playing. |
However, the Everlasting Crate does not come from Zaishen Coins only. Apparently it comes from the traveller's gifts...for those few lucky ones that is, so I doubt they got the 50 gold coins together.