Dirty words

gremlin

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GWAR

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Never understood the written expletive, outside of literature or when designed to shock such as a newspaper article.

If I do something stupid I may let rip a verbal curse or whatever but that is an instant reaction to a given situation.

By the time I would have typed it the moment is passed and there isn't any point, besides its more a comment to myself anyone who hears it does so by accident

But typing it thats an unknown so far as I am concerned probably just trying to fit in with the crowd and appear cool when really your not.

Ok maybe an sh etc I died but thats about all.

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

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Although most 13-year-olds swear more than adults, if ANet doesn't enforce the 13+ rating requirements then they lose part of their target markets.

Most 13-year-olds don't go out and buy the game themselves. They get it from a parent-purchase or as a gift from some other adult. These are the people who pay attention to the ratings.

You are free to speak as you like in-game or on-forum. But then be prepared to take your punishment without complaint. This is why we make fun of these threads. You knowingly break a rule and then come here and whine about your ban.

Fril Estelin

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Originally Posted by Inde View Post
Way to go Fril, you turned it intellectual.
The ultimate swearword on the Internet. My reputation is ruined on Guru. So I may as well go all the way...

I discovered very quickly when seriously trying to improve my English (listening to the Xfiles without subtitles ) that humour is the most difficult aspect of a language. Sarcasm is one of its most confusing expression, where you use ambiguity to the extent of making your text not understandable to the one not tuned to your tone.

No joke.

Mr. G

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S. Wales

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(listening to the Xfiles without subtitles )
One of the worlds finest educational facilities

If its any compensations your more articulate than me.

Rocky Raccoon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inde View Post
Way to go Fril, you turned it intellectual. IS NOTHING SACRED?! Obscenities only are allowed and the usual tired arguments of:

Use common sense/grow a bigger vocabulary/learn some self control

and the counter

This is a teen game/all kids have heard worse/lighten up/if you don't want to hear it leave
I am way past my teens, I know all the words and use them, but I also know when they are not appropriate. Knowing the words is one thing, knowing the situation where to use them is another. Fril, your English is much better than some of the English speaking people who post on this forum, and your point should be well taken by others.

HawkofStorms

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It's actually a worse violation of the rules to deliberately bypass the dirty word filter.
a) because you know it is bad and would be censored and are trying to get around it
b) because anybody who does have the censorship software turned on will see it (so parents who try to keep that language away from their children can't if you say something that would be blocked, but spell it weirdly).

lewis91

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
It's actually a worse violation of the rules to deliberately bypass the dirty word filter.
a) because you know it is bad and would be censored and are trying to get around it
b) because anybody who does have the censorship software turned on will see it (so parents who try to keep that language away from their children can't if you say something that would be blocked, but spell it weirdly).
Thats actually the most true thing said in this thread so far, i vote /win for this fella. Thats exactly why someone would say "FxCK" or something like that. But you still get those idiots who have the filter turned off, that complain when you do actually use a "swear" word. Best thing is not to be stupid and overuse such words, who needs to spam every "bad" word you can think of in chat?

Lonesamurai

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin View Post
The ultimate swearword on the Internet. My reputation is ruined on Guru.
You had a reputation?

A11Eur0

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin View Post

Except these swearwords: these words are mostly used in a derogatory manner, to insult people or strengthen insults, to express strong and negative emotions, to push people away, etc. Of course you actually don't need these words to do that, but can you find a positive use of these words? Some may argue that they have an emotional nature that should not be remove, but then I'd suggest to go out and do some serious sport instead of using words to convey such strong emotions. I'm not a word nazi, I think that it is a better strategy .

One can claim, sitting on the chair of its high principles of "freedom of speech", that people should simply close their ears or turn their chat filters on, but this is a deep misunderstanding of the issue. (apart from the problem of wanting absolute freedom without accepting the consequences of one's word) People will always abuse language, whatever safeguards you put in place. Bypassing a chat filter often become a game (hello 4chan), at the expense of those that actually speak normally.

In this kind of discussion, people will often mention that one has to be "fragile" to not accept swearwords, in whatever form they're found. It may well be true, but this shows not only how insensitive those that think they're not fragile are, it also shows how much social progress our societies must achieve to become trully "civilised", in the sense of not letting the "law of the strongest" blind us from deeper truth.

(re-reading myself, I realise that I haven't expressed myself in the clearest way possible, but my time and command of the English language only allows me to do that)
"I'ma go take a shit."
"Careful, don't step in that dog shit"
"don't sit there, you'll get paint all over your ass"
and my personal favorite:

"Hi, Wanna F***?"

None of these are inherently negative. The only negativity they bring is the arbitrary socially-dictated negative connotations of these words as "dirty".

I'd be more inclined to be offended by someone saying "You're a fag" than someone saying "let's get the F*** out of here." But which one is censored, and which isn't?

People who take such offense at words used, especially not to project negativity onto them but merely to punctuate emotion, are indeed fragile. Also, limiting vocabulary by outlawing and arbitrarily shunning specific words that you do not agree with merely for the sake of that society becoming more "civilized" is a step towards totalitarianism. Censorship has always been a tool of tyrants. Doing away with basic gutteral emotions through language manipulation is the forefront of any push towards mob control.

Fril Estelin

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
merely to punctuate emotion, are indeed fragile.
One can say that the one "punctuating emotions" with these words has no empathy, or sensitivity. A lot of the greatest minds were fragile, for a very good reason.

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Also, limiting vocabulary by outlawing and arbitrarily shunning specific words that you do not agree with merely for the sake of that society becoming more "civilized" is a step towards totalitarianism.
And not doing it is a step towards anarchy. (this is as much an exaggeration as your statement) Which one is best?

-Sonata-

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
Censorship has always been a tool of tyrants. Doing away with basic gutteral emotions through language manipulation is the forefront of any push towards mob control.

And those who seek to say and do whatever they please, without consequence on action, the anarchist; Also seek their own definition of absolute power. Neither one is better than the other. Both bang heads for the same goal: Control.


I've said many times before I swear like a sailor in my personal life. It doesn't offend me to hear it. However, there is a time and place for it. This game isn't your free for all to say and do as you please.

Verene

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(listening to the Xfiles without subtitles )
I highly approve of your method to improve your English Go X-Files!

Anyway. There are rules on what sort of language is allowed in the game and what isn't. There are filters in place. These filters don't make using stuff that'd normally be blocked out by them acceptable because "people won't see it". You see "----" in the chat, and you know that someone is using vulgar language that they shouldn't be, even if you don't know specifically what word they are using.

And then stuff like "shxt" and "fxck"...you are deliberately bypassing the censors in place. The people who have the filters on, because they either don't feel like seeing such language or because their parents think it's not appropriate, ARE seeing what you're saying, because the filter doesn't catch that. Frankly, that's even worse, in my opinion.

There's a time and place. Are people so lax with basic manners and common courtesies that they've forgotten that it's always been considered rude to use profanities in front of others? Just because you may not find it offensive does not mean that everyone else won't as well.

I'm an adult, and I swear, yes. However, I've also grown up enough to realize that there are times that such language is just plain not acceptable. I don't swear in class, I don't swear at work, I don't swear around people who I don't know well, and I don't swear in a game where I know there're kids playing. It's just, really, that's common sense and basic etiquette. I play GW with the chat filter off, and sometimes what I see in the local chat is appalling. Spamming every profanity you can think of in Kamadan AD1 local doesn't make you look cool. It just makes you look crass, tacky, and incredibly rude and not caring at all for anyone else who may be around.

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

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Join Date: Feb 2008

Those who get reported are those who are being offensive on purpose. Usually the words are directed at someone. Someone who will retaliate by reporting the violation and causing you to get banned eventually.

Just typing something like "Aww shit, forgot to get the quest for Rragars Menagerie, we have to go back so we can get past the door..." will not get you a report most times.

It's those who use the words DIRECTLY in an effort to be offensive that get reported and banned. I'm not saying the above wouldn't be reported, just that the chance is FAR lower because you aren't pissing someone off directly. Which is what most expletives are used in the game as far as I have seen.

I support these bans.

Zahr Dalsk

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed View Post
In most places it is illegal to walk around nude.
In most places it is legal to use any sort of language you wish.

glacialphoenix

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Verene
And then stuff like "shxt" and "fxck"...you are deliberately bypassing the censors in place. The people who have the filters on, because they either don't feel like seeing such language or because their parents think it's not appropriate, ARE seeing what you're saying, because the filter doesn't catch that. Frankly, that's even worse, in my opinion.
I agree with this. If you leave your chat filter off, however, and see someone swearing in chat... well, unless it's verbal abuse, I don't see why you're complaining.

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I'd be more inclined to be offended by someone saying "You're a fag" than someone saying "let's get the F*** out of here." But which one is censored, and which isn't?
I do believe that the first one would fall under 'verbal abuse'. Which is reportable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
I discovered very quickly when seriously trying to improve my English (listening to the Xfiles without subtitles ) that humour is the most difficult aspect of a language. Sarcasm is one of its most confusing expression, where you use ambiguity to the extent of making your text not understandable to the one not tuned to your tone.
Yeah, it is. Don't worry, Fril - as far as communicating on this thread goes, you're perfectly understandable.

HawkofStorms

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
In most places it is legal to use any sort of language you wish.
Not true. I can't threaten your life. There are limits to what people can say. Now, you can argue all you want about whether or not that's morally right, but you can't deny that that occurs.
There are, and always have been, restrictions on free speech in order to protect the public welfare.

Now, I'm REALLY tired of having the same conversation with the same four people on guru whenever the naming/censorship policy comes up. Good night.

haggus71

haggus71

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Join Date: Jun 2007

FotS

Spending 9 years in the Navy, I think I'm a bit more of an expert in this category, and have forgotten more vulgar and straight insane expressions of various anatomy than you all, combined, can remember.

The only thing that matters is this: if you say a word, you won't get banned. If you slander, attack or harass someone, or try to get by a system set up to allow others to play the game without seeing certain language, you will get banned.

As to free speech...THEY OWN THE SERVERS! It's in their interest to keep them running by keeping the most clientelle they can happy. You just paid for the privilege of using this server space to play their game. After agreeing to an EULA that stated you could be banned for any of a number of reasons. If you want to act like an ass outside of a game, go ahead. You can say "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO-ass-cockgobbling-cumgurgler" all you want anywhere else. I knew kids in a camp I worked at that used to edit the vowels out of cuss words, thinking they were getting by the rules. It didn't work with them, and it won't work on GW. Doing such, in fact, proves your lack of maturity.

As for "steps toward communism/fascism/(add your own -ism)", you have no clue, none, what it's like to live in such a world. There are some who play the game who have family in N. Korea, China, or were behind the curtain in the "good ole days" of the Cold War, who could fill you in. That is the type of thing said by a child raised like a veal, who has no inkling of reality beyond American Idol and High School Musical 43.

/rant. I gotta stop reading threads like these.

edit: Wow! I didn't know the filter wouldn't stop those words! Sorry Inde

pumpkin pie

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin View Post
(listening to the Xfiles without subtitles
Watching Cartoons as a child and never missing one single episode helps too

to OP:

Think of it this way, at a plaza, public meeting place, public transports anything that you have to share with other humans, do you not get disgusted if you sat on a bus seat and found later on, a piece of chewing gum had stuck on your hair because someone inconsiderate had left it there? or public toilets, person before you did not take the trouble to flush? I am sure some of these thing make you tick. Swearing in a public place is just like that. The point is, when in a Shared environment, you should consider that there are other humans around, we are there together, and should respect the shared environment, your expectation that other people should tolerate your ways of using your vocabulary should apply on yourself too, which is: tolerate those that cannot tolerate your way.

my 2 cents

Inde

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2004

Yeah haggus71, we have a very loose filter here on Guru. And yet we still get some who complain. (I'm not talking to you IRC PEOPLE... you know who you are... go away!)

A11Eur0

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Join Date: Apr 2005

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it's a plain and simple thing: the chat filter is there for a reason. GW already covered their asses by putting the disclaimer on the box and implementing the chat filter. people who actively turn off their filters then whinge about seeing all the naughty language need to be slapped with a ripened tuna fish sandwich. Those who bypass the filters deserve the reports and the bans. Those of us who drop the occasional F-bomb to make a point ( I don't toss it around liberally as some do), without bypassing the filter, should be more than covered by the filter an disclaimer and immune from any further action. It should be that simple.

Faer

Faer

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Join Date: Feb 2006

I'm with A11Eur0 (this is... startling, to me). Words are words are words are words; it's what you make of them that matters. Much like a news report that only contains members of one race isn't racist until somebody jumps in and says it is, in their opinion, racist (which in itself is pretty racist, because to play the racism card, you have to be acknowledging the difference in race rather than just looking at people as human beings), the words commonly used as obscenities are only obscene because society has chosen to make them so. The words aren't obscene, you are! People need to lighten up, and stop taking offense to such things. We should be more worried about the impending global economic meltdown than how many times Jane and John Doe say "assmonger" in a day.
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Originally Posted by Inde View Post
(I'm not talking to you IRC PEOPLE... you know who you are... go away!)
You RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing go away, noob.

Rocky Raccoon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0 View Post
"I'ma go take a shit."
"Careful, don't step in that dog shit"
"don't sit there, you'll get paint all over your ass"
and my personal favorite:

"Hi, Wanna F***?"

None of these are inherently negative. The only negativity they bring is the arbitrary socially-dictated negative connotations of these words as "dirty".

I'd be more inclined to be offended by someone saying "You're a fag" than someone saying "let's get the F*** out of here." But which one is censored, and which isn't?

People who take such offense at words used, especially not to project negativity onto them but merely to punctuate emotion, are indeed fragile. Also, limiting vocabulary by outlawing and arbitrarily shunning specific words that you do not agree with merely for the sake of that society becoming more "civilized" is a step towards totalitarianism. Censorship has always been a tool of tyrants. Doing away with basic gutteral emotions through language manipulation is the forefront of any push towards mob control.
There is a difference between the spoken word and the written word. The written takes a concerted effort to type them out and if you can do that you know exactly what you are trying to do. The spoken word is sometimes based on emotions and as such expletives will sometimes just happen with out thinking.

Tullzinski

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHkyjskGlk4

We must have immediate implementation of the policy shown in the above link. This should be Guild Wars wide and also include this forum(and any other GW forum) for maximum effect!

Anyone who disagrees or does not click the link should F@%K OFF!

MithranArkanere

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The filter is not there to allow abusive language, it is there to filter out as much abusive language as possible to reduce the harm, but the best way to solve a problem is eliminating the source.

Don't use abusive language, and done!

There are lots of mild expressions you can use instead, just watch some chapters of 60s Batman and listen to Robin.

Lonesamurai

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
The filter is not there to allow abusive language, it is there to filter out as much abusive language as possible to reduce the harm, but the best way to solve a problem is eliminating the source.

Don't use abusive language, and done!

There are lots of mild expressions you can use instead, just watch some chapters of 60s Batman and listen to Robin.
Holy bill of rights, Batman! - Robin

Holy haberdashery, Batman! - Robin

Holy atomic pile, Batman! - Robin

Holy priceless collection of Etruscan snoods! - Robin

Holey rusted metal, Batman! The ground. It's all metal. It's full of holes. You know, holey. - Robin

The way we get into these scrapes and get out of them, it's almost as though someone was dreaming up these situations; guiding our destiny. - Robin


And the ALL TIME best:

The opposite of a girl is a boy! - Robin

Ebony Shadowheart

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If you don't like the language, there is a filter available to 'protect' you from most of it. If you don't want to use it, then deal with how people 'talk'.

Just as some people don't realize it when they say the words out loud, the same happens when they type. It's automatic, they don't actively think about it.

As for the argument that there are children playing this game.....have you heard how those same children talk in the game? At school? With their friends? FFS have you seen some of the shit on TV that they watch? Just wow....that is not an argument at all because many of those 'children' are worse than most of the damn adults!

As for the argument that there are other words you can use instead.....I'm sorry but I was always taught that using 'darn' instead of 'damn' is just as bad. Saying 'oh Fire Truck is the same thing as saying 'oh f*ck'.....so is it really any better? No, not really. It just bypasses the filter, which is a breach of conduct.

Just my 2 cents worth

Rocky Raccoon

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart View Post
Just as some people don't realize it when they say the words out loud, the same happens when they type. It's automatic, they don't actively think about it
I have to disagree with this point. Verbally yes that may be true, but when you type something you have time to think about what you are typing and there is no way that you will type anything you don't really want to type. Any expletive that you see was meant to be seen plain and simple.

Ebony Shadowheart

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger View Post
I have to disagree with this point. Verbally yes that may be true, but when you type something you have time to think about what you are typing and there is no way that you will type anything you don't really want to type. Any expletive that you see was meant to be seen plain and simple.
See, here I disagree. I don't always actively think about what I type. I simply type what is going through my head, explicatives included. I type 'what I think' which is the same as I say 'what I think'. It's a natural reaction.

As for seeing what you type...some people stare at their keyboards when they type so don't see the words on the screen until the hit enter. Some people don't proof read their posts, again, until after they hit enter. Then you have people like me that aren't even looking at the screen or at the keyboard because they are looking at another monitor doing something, or scanning the text of other people, etc.

There have been times where I have been typing, and holding a conversation at the same time and ended up typing what I was talking about and didn't realize it until after I hit enter. At which point I was like 'well that was dumb'.

It's like people that are really tired in the middle of the night, but are doing schoolwork and end up with things like 'sleep' or 'i need to go to bed' in the middle of their paper and they don't its there until the teacher points it out. (This happened to a friend of mine in High School and I laughed so hard at the comments the teacher put in the margins)

Sometimes it does just happen. Other times its intentional (probably more often than not).

glacialphoenix

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Quote:
Verbally yes that may be true, but when you type something you have time to think about what you are typing and there is no way that you will type anything you don't really want to type.
Er, no. I'm seconding Ebony Shadowheart here. I use chat, like, well, chat. I don't read through my posts again, I just type and hit enter, and I don't always think about it. I doublecheck to make sure I'm typing in the correct chat - I mean, if I want to complain to my guildie about that idiot suicidal PUG I don't want to do it in teamchat - but slipups happen. Don't tell me you've never typed things in the wrong chat channel before?

I would agree with you if the bypassing was deliberate. If you alter the word so it gets past the filter, then yes the expletive was definitely meant to be seen.

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart View Post
If you don't like the language, there is a filter available to 'protect' you from most of it. If you don't want to use it, then deal with how people 'talk'.
If you don't like getting reported and banned, there is a cure. Stop using foul language. If you don't want to use the cure, then deal with the report/ban.

rick1027

rick1027

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i really dont care if you swear or not because their is a filter there but getting around a chat filter by typing it different they should be banned and make it perma ban for being stupid

Tullzinski

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Still want a swear jar, you have to put 1K in for each infraction. Then you can have a contest each month to see who get it.

Rocky Raccoon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by glacialphoenix View Post
Er, no. I'm seconding Ebony Shadowheart here. I use chat, like, well, chat. I don't read through my posts again, I just type and hit enter, and I don't always think about it. I double check to make sure I'm typing in the correct chat - I mean, if I want to complain to my guildie about that idiot suicidal PUG I don't want to do it in teamchat - but slipups happen. Don't tell me you've never typed things in the wrong chat channel before?

I would agree with you if the bypassing was deliberate. If you alter the word so it gets past the filter, then yes the expletive was definitely meant to be seen.
I like to think that I have control over anything I type that will be seen by others. If expletives come naturally then I assume that either they are intended or that person has no self control.

Inde

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Join Date: Dec 2004

I'm going to say it... I shouldn't, but notice the thinking going on here acknowledging that this next line could be offensive...

If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?

Kattar

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Theocrat
snip
Assmonger.

Can we shift the focus on the conversation to politics? Or maybe religion! That one would be much better.

(For all you who missed the sarcasm: there's nothing to be gained from a discussion such as this. People aren't going to change until they grow up. Some people never grow up. One day, instead of ANet disciplining them, it'll be the police. Then it'll be a huge, sweaty inmate named "Sugar Daddy.")

Move on.

glacialphoenix

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Quote:
I like to think that my I have control over anything I type that will be seen by others. If expletives come naturally then I assume that either they are intended or that person has no self control.

I mean, 'k.

Say I'm complaining about a bad match at a sympathetic guildie. Fine, the swearwords are intentional - 'damn ridiculous match', etcetc. Mischan. Oops.

All I'm saying is, well, slipups happen. Misinterpretations happen. Typos happen. If you're worried about language in chat, the chat filter should be on, else you are going to encounter language you don't like. If it's off and you're objecting... turn it on, that's what it's there for. You can't leave it off and expect everyone around you to stop swearing - that's not how things work. If it did work that way, you wouldn't need to filter chat in the first place.

That being said - if anyone's worried about being tempbanned for swearing, don't swear. Don't insult people, don't swear, don't spam. That should settle your worries just fine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inde
If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?
Bad choice of phrasing, perhaps, but what I mean is that, like I said, slipups happen.

Arduin

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inde View Post
I'm going to say it... I shouldn't, but notice the thinking going on here acknowledging that this next line could be offensive...

If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?
I'd team up with people that can't control what they drop on the ground.

Like:

Teammate: ''nice, I got a Superior Vigor''. *drops it on the ground because of uncontrollable reactions*
Me: ''Thank you very much'' *picks up Superior Vigor'*

That would be a nice time for the uncontrollable swearing to kick in.


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Oh, and can we collect +1's by calling people names all a sudden?

Ebony Shadowheart

Ebony Shadowheart

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

USA

SSW

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua View Post
If you don't like getting reported and banned, there is a cure. Stop using foul language. If you don't want to use the cure, then deal with the report/ban.
I believe the only time report and ban is actually called for/reviewed is when they person is directly insulting you or spamming in the local/team chat.

I mean, if you're out with someone and they die and their reaction is 'oh damn' and you report them for that, most likely the people that review that are laughing at you for it.

On the other hand, if you slip and do something stupid, and say a teammate starts going off on you and you report it, then yeah, that's a ban-able offense.

If people are bitching about something local chat (like lag for example), there is going to be some cussing. If you can't take it - turn it off, leave, turn on the filter (that's what is it there for after all). Reporting shit like that is just petty, and stupid, and in my 3 years of playing, I've never seen/known anyone that's been banned for it.

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger View Post
I like to think that I have control over anything I type that will be seen by others. If expletives come naturally then I assume that either they are intended or that person has no self control.
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Originally Posted by Inde View Post
I'm going to say it... I shouldn't, but notice the thinking going on here acknowledging that this next line could be offensive...

If you can't "control" what you type (not referring to swearing here but more the concept of typing being like chatting), I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?
I wouldn't say that it's a 'lack of control' per se, for some people it's simply natural. We are products of our environments. However, each to their own opinion I suppose; I simply do not agree.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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Originally Posted by Inde View Post
If you can't "control" what you type, I don't believe I'd want to hang around you. What else can't you "control" if a simple thing such as typing is too much?
A few years ago, I attended a meeting organised by a Health&Safety officer, specifically for our lab of computer science. She said that typing has become, since the age of computers, the physical activity that is the most stressing on one part of our body (joints, veins). It used to be different at the age of typewritters (my mother used to type 5 to 6h a day as a job). In an age of typecheckers, instant communication, global contact, we'd never, ever been so disconnected from the meaning of what we say and, ultimately, people (I could bore you with recent phusiological evidence that facebook is a impediment to the social abilities of kids).

Typing properly is seen as elitist or intellectual. Soon, with widespread speech recognition, people may feel that there should be no difference between typing and talking. When conflicts, such as the topic of this thread, occur, the vocal people are usually the "aggressive" ones (aggressive is not meant here as an intentional act). As I said above, the greatest minds were fragile people, so pointing at the fact that people should "get off the internet" is a bit funny.

glacialphoenix

glacialphoenix

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

Singapore

Royal Order of Flying Lemmings [ROFL]

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When conflicts, such as the topic of this thread, occur, the vocal people are usually the "aggressive" ones (aggressive is not meant here as an intentional act)
Isn't that the norm? Some people are more opinionated than others.

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Typing properly is seen as elitist or intellectual. Soon, with widespread speech recognition, people may feel that there should be no difference between typing and talking.
Hm. Do you think there's a difference between typing a post in this forum and typing in teamchat in game? For me, when I type in game, it feels like I'm on MSN or googletalk. Y'know, chat. (I mostly type like this ingame as well, but the feel is different.)

Typing a post on this forum, however, is more like typing something on a word processor.

EDIT: Also, the mods appear to be having fun with an enthusiastic barrage of +1 posts... oO