Assassins, Shadowstep & Balance

Shadowsteps are broken. Izzy said that removing skills entirely is hard, so instead they just nerf them to oblivion. See: [smiter's boon]. Give it to Assassins only? Giving them zero opportunity is the way to go? Give them back something unique and different from the other two melees, dont try to make them all the same. At least link the Shadowsteps to their primary attribute, or handicap the Shadowsteps towards non-sins.

Give it to Assassins only? Giving them zero opportunity is the way to go? Give them back something unique and different from the other two melees, dont try to make them all the same. At least link the Shadowsteps to their primary attribute, or handicap the Shadowsteps towards non-sins. Shadowstep mechanic impedes on too many other mechanics to ever be "fixed." It should just be removed (but then Assassins will be even worse).

Shadowstep mechanic impedes on too many other mechanics to ever be "fixed." It should just be removed (but then Assassins will be even worse). Thats why I said link it to crit attribute or handicap towards non-sins. At least sins will have full benefits when using their shadowsteps. Maybe then we'll see sins being in GvG similar to rangers, where they only need 1 or 2 in each match. Im just asking why remove them completely? Is this fair to the sin community?

assassins are certainly more mobile, but that doesn't matter. that mobility won't do anything when the character using it is a glass cannon and cannot sustain damage, nor can provide consistent disruption.
sins are swifter in short bursts. in the long run the warrior can outrun the sin.
they cannot deal consistent damage, yes.
but at least give them back their spike potential with the surprise element of shadowsteps,
they dont need to be consistently attacking like the warrior.... we already have two melees like that, we dont need a third, we also DONT want a third like that.
give them another playstyle, give them back the hit and run style with the aid of shadowstepping...




so, it looks like the problem is that:
they've given the warrior TOO MUCH, all in one => armor, spike potential, ability to fake spikes, mobility. pretty much everything every other melee has and better.

solution?
nerf warriors?
but there will obviously be too many warrior players who will defend this, as they want to keep their warrior staying superior.

Thats why I said link it to crit attribute or handicap towards non-sins. At least sins will have full benefits when using their shadowsteps. Maybe then we'll see sins being in GvG similar to rangers, where they only need 1 or 2 in each match. Im just asking why remove them completely? Is this fair to the sin community? Keeping them in use is unfair to every other player who has worked hard to learn and understand the techniques regarding positioning, projectiles, terrain use, watching the battlefield, etc.

Keeping them in use is unfair to every other player who has worked hard to learn and understand the techniques regarding positioning, projectiles, terrain use, watching the battlefield, etc. you've said so much, but all you're trying to say is ''positoning''
and cannot seem to accept the fact that a new form of pvp combat style has been introduced.
what exactly are you complaining about the shadowstepping problem?
if sins shadowstep, they require no awareness in positioning? no effort needed?
unable to pre prot?

well, all those seem like the unique sin playstyle has to offer. adapt to it, and learn how to counter that.

a warrior can do the same, he can fake a spike and just attack the next guy next to him, do you call that unable to pre prot too or what?

there simply isnt anything unbalanced for sin ONLY to use their own shadowstep as intended. but it is not okay for the warrior and dervish to do so.

you've said so much, but all you're trying to say it ''positoning''
what exactly are you complaining about the shadowstepping problem?
if sins shadowstep, they require no awareness in positioning? no effort needed?
unable to pre prot?

well, all those seem like the unique sin playstyle has to offer. adapt to it, and learn how to counter that.

a warrior can do the same, he can fake a spike and just attack the next guy next to him, do you call that unable to pre prot too or what?

there simply isnt anything unbalanced for sin ONLY to use their own shadowstep as intended. but it is not okay for the warrior and dervish to do so. If you think that every problem I mentioned is the same, I feel no need to continue this discussion.

and yes, your counter to this would be "every other profession is just pressing skills in order" Pretty close to the current WE, LC/PoD, smite meta...

Your questions have already been answered. Shadowstepping has been made useless because it is broken and having useful shadowsteps in any form would break the game even more. They are not being converted into Warrior style characters, as you can see, they're being converted into wasted KB on the servers. looks like you were tempted and couldnt resist not to reply, hehe. welcome
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your reply about shadowstep being broken isnt a successful viable argument.

how is it broken?
if you are going to say, it requires no skill, requires no battlefield awareness, and monks not being able to pre-prot.

scroll back up, because i've already replied to those arguments, which is why i've said the ''positioning'' argument is unsuccessful and absurd.


the only argument i find actually viable in this thread is from Hawk
''123 combo chain being inferior, unable to fake spikes etc.''

but, not like its intended for assassins to ''fake'' spikes anyway...

looks like you were tempted and couldnt resist not to reply, hehe. welcome
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your reply about shadowstep being broken isnt a successful viable argument.

how is it broken?
if you are going to say, it requires no skill, requires no battlefield awareness, and monks not being able to pre-prot.

scroll back up, because i've already replied to those arguments, which is why i've said the ''positioning'' argument is unsuccessful and absurd. you've failed to do so. if you want to defeat an argument, you give examples, or at least theorycraft, which counters that argument. all you've said is "your argument makes no sense", which means nothing except that you don't understand the argument.

and before this devolves even further (though this will certainly help it along): the OP is the same person who suggested that dash should have a 5 second duration, and flamed and attempted to estalk me after i disagreed. just a helpful reminder as to who we're dealing with here.