So many bots in JQ ...
Jeydra
Especially on the Luxon side, there are also quite a few in RA. It doesn't take much to identify them, just go there and play a few games during the late American night. Can't something be done about them?
EPO Bot
Sadly, a bot that does nothing else but run towards the same quarry trying to get a RoJ off is just as effective as any thinking player if you happen not to be in interrupt range.
Longasc
They do something that makes sense, even if they are clumsy bots.
In fact more effective than the player who was going after my Dire Wolf exclusively. I am not sure if he was a misguided bot or not...^^
In fact more effective than the player who was going after my Dire Wolf exclusively. I am not sure if he was a misguided bot or not...^^
Wish Swiftdeath
Shouldn't this be in gladiators?
Hang on, don't we already have a thread in gladiators?
Hang on, don't we already have a thread in gladiators?
fgarvin
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Shouldn't this be in gladiators?
Hang on, don't we already have a thread in gladiators? |
I still waiting for the very first "OMG, I got banned" thread and also a thread dealing with what the OP considers to be stupid updates. Threads like that would be awesome.
Wish Swiftdeath
There's one in the TA section of gladiators.
However, we've tried to bring this to Anet's attention but they don't seem to care sadly. I feel bad whenever i earn a bot a glad point/faction but I'm too lazy to leave when I've got a half decent team.
However, we've tried to bring this to Anet's attention but they don't seem to care sadly. I feel bad whenever i earn a bot a glad point/faction but I'm too lazy to leave when I've got a half decent team.
Arduin
What can be done about them is everyone starting to use /report on the bots. And by that I mean everyone, so you won't have to afraid of the backlash if you are the only one reporting.
Added to that, you can also send screenshots to support.
Added to that, you can also send screenshots to support.
pumpkin pie
bot watch is good.
refer
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What can be done about them is everyone starting to use /report on the bots. And by that I mean everyone, so you won't have to afraid of the backlash if you are the only one reporting.
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Zahr Dalsk
How are these bots any worse than the human RoJ players?
Kumu Honua
Because they aren't all RoJ bots.
There are the bots that are programmed to go to a random base defender and "Hide" there are whammo bots that follow players and randomly cspace. There are RoJ bots that go to a set quarry to launch RoJ. There are Healing circle bots that go to a set quarry and spam healing circle spells.
All to varying degrees of "Usefulness". I would contend however that a non-bot of any type is better than any bot.
Actual players even if they suck, at least go back to the fray after being killed. Most bots do not.
There are the bots that are programmed to go to a random base defender and "Hide" there are whammo bots that follow players and randomly cspace. There are RoJ bots that go to a set quarry to launch RoJ. There are Healing circle bots that go to a set quarry and spam healing circle spells.
All to varying degrees of "Usefulness". I would contend however that a non-bot of any type is better than any bot.
Actual players even if they suck, at least go back to the fray after being killed. Most bots do not.
Vel
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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
bot watch is good.
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Wonder about the reason to have skills like ROJ, Aura of the Lich, Weaken Knees etc. in their current form for months?
refer
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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua
Because they aren't all RoJ bots.
There are the bots that are programmed to go to a random base defender and "Hide" there are whammo bots that follow players and randomly cspace. There are RoJ bots that go to a set quarry to launch RoJ. There are Healing circle bots that go to a set quarry and spam healing circle spells. All to varying degrees of "Usefulness". I would contend however that a non-bot of any type is better than any bot. Actual players even if they suck, at least go back to the fray after being killed. Most bots do not. |
Oink The Pig
I'd rather be on a team with a bot that does something useful than on a team with one that just hits enter and sits at the spawn (or hides in the base).
The worst was the other night when I got a team with 4 characters synched in from the same guild, all with no secondary profession, all with the same delay in connecting (probably one person running all four on the same connection) and all just sitting right on the initial spawn without moving. There's no point to /report them because they outnumber you, and it makes more sense to use your dishonorable allotment to leave that train wreck (and you can try to avoid getting into a match with them again).
The worst was the other night when I got a team with 4 characters synched in from the same guild, all with no secondary profession, all with the same delay in connecting (probably one person running all four on the same connection) and all just sitting right on the initial spawn without moving. There's no point to /report them because they outnumber you, and it makes more sense to use your dishonorable allotment to leave that train wreck (and you can try to avoid getting into a match with them again).
Martin Alvito
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2nd. I don't even care about the backlash though. If you have a leecher in your group and don't report what is your excuse? There is no excuse. You're too lazy and are enabling them. I like getting 1/3 of vote for no dishonorable points, but entire teams should be reporting.
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If I /report, I expend a small cost (effort) and risk a much larger cost (dishonor). My individual /report makes no difference to whether or not ANet bans the bot. Therefore, I should let other players expend the costs and take the risks.
This type of problem is known as a collective action problem in economics. Organizing large groups of people to accomplish a task is doomed from the start, unless you can restrict the benefits to only those that do the work.
I've said it before: the /report system is fatally flawed because of this. It's good for witch hunts (see threads on how names get banned) and that's about it.
Greedy Gus
JQ is a garbage arena, the only point is nuking clumps of NPCs who stand there. People just roll up ridiculous pve builds and farm their points.
EPO Bot
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JQ is a garbage arena, the only point is nuking clumps of NPCs who stand there. People just roll up ridiculous pve builds and farm their points.
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makosi
I don't even join from the Luxon end anymore because of botters. 5v8 is really frustrating.
Alleji
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It's a good place to train your interrupt muscle.
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EPO Bot
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On 2-second RoJs and fire nukes?
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Man everyone is abusing RoJ these days. Not just monks but assassins, eles mezmers and even wammos. Something must be done.
Esprit
Sooo this is really an Ray of Judgement bashing thread now? In that case...
I lol at the people who call players who use RoJ, bots. I use and abuse RoJ like a champ. Why? Because RoJ and bombers allow you to rake in the Balth and Kurzick faction faster than any other build. Oh, and it works.
Honestly, most professions are equipped to deal with RoJ and Bombers *cough snares cough* which shouldn't be out of the ordinary on JQ builds anyways.
Oh... and advanced bots use Mantra of Resolve or Glyph of Concentration to stop most interupts.
Back on topic...
The appearance of bots is evident that the most people don't care about reporting, it's really the player's fault that so many bots are in JQ.
I lol at the people who call players who use RoJ, bots. I use and abuse RoJ like a champ. Why? Because RoJ and bombers allow you to rake in the Balth and Kurzick faction faster than any other build. Oh, and it works.
Honestly, most professions are equipped to deal with RoJ and Bombers *cough snares cough* which shouldn't be out of the ordinary on JQ builds anyways.
Oh... and advanced bots use Mantra of Resolve or Glyph of Concentration to stop most interupts.
Back on topic...
The appearance of bots is evident that the most people don't care about reporting, it's really the player's fault that so many bots are in JQ.
Greedy Gus
Botting is always evident of giving too high a reward (or at least something people want) for doing something that takes little skill and high repetition. That isn't the player's fault.
Shayne Hawke
Types of bots I've seen in JQ:
- A RoJ bot with, at least, [Ray of Judgment][Bane Signet][Castigation Signet][Fall Back]. May have other skills. Tends to use Bane Signet to start, then RoJ, maybe FB! on recharge. Will stand still for a few seconds before acquiring a new target, probably nearest, and then running towards it to use more skills. Alternates with targeting the nearest quarry (item) and running towards that. Very non-aggressive.
- A RoJ bot with, at least, [Ray of Judgment][Arcane Echo][Spear of Light][Signet of Rage][Bane Signet][Castigation Signet]. May also carry [[Stonesoul Strike], maybe even [[Smite] or [[Banish]. Tends to carry a melee weapon, but I've also seen a few rare ones with spears or wands. Auto-targets enemies, charges at them and uses skills when available.
- Saw a Necro bot today with a similar behavior to that second RoJ bot. Can't remember the bar, but it was the first time I'd seen something like it.
It would be nice if botting reports were made similar to Dishonor, in that when you report someone, it will say something like, "Xx Yy has been reported for botting."
- A RoJ bot with, at least, [Ray of Judgment][Bane Signet][Castigation Signet][Fall Back]. May have other skills. Tends to use Bane Signet to start, then RoJ, maybe FB! on recharge. Will stand still for a few seconds before acquiring a new target, probably nearest, and then running towards it to use more skills. Alternates with targeting the nearest quarry (item) and running towards that. Very non-aggressive.
- A RoJ bot with, at least, [Ray of Judgment][Arcane Echo][Spear of Light][Signet of Rage][Bane Signet][Castigation Signet]. May also carry [[Stonesoul Strike], maybe even [[Smite] or [[Banish]. Tends to carry a melee weapon, but I've also seen a few rare ones with spears or wands. Auto-targets enemies, charges at them and uses skills when available.
- Saw a Necro bot today with a similar behavior to that second RoJ bot. Can't remember the bar, but it was the first time I'd seen something like it.
It would be nice if botting reports were made similar to Dishonor, in that when you report someone, it will say something like, "Xx Yy has been reported for botting."
Finch of K T
Me (and a few people I play with) are constantly getting Dishonorable for no apparent reason. I can understand if I blow a dirty word in all chat but why can't you make it show WHY I'm dishonorable. If someone doesn't like me they can /report me or perhaps that my build today was a point holding build they think I'm not doing anything. Either way fix this crap - it sucks. The game is only fun for me for a couple JQ runs here and there but this has to stop.
Just tell us WHY dishonorable status and from whom. Plus if you lose connection even if we re-connect we still get dishonorable.
Just tell us WHY dishonorable status and from whom. Plus if you lose connection even if we re-connect we still get dishonorable.
A11Eur0
Same number of bots...running 24/7. Fewer actual players = the bots have a higher chance of being in a group with you. Late night is a good time to bot too...more bots in your group means fewer people to report you, so you can continue botting. Sure, more bots = less kills and wins but points are points, 1k is more than 0. That's how the botters think and you really can't do anything about it...just do something else during those hours.
bena
Its really REALLY simple for anet to stop bots in JQ.
Bots operate by being able to predict which key sequence will work and get points.
1introduce a RANDOM method to get in the game.
for example, make a small room with 8 portals, and one is lit up red, with the message saying, pls enter red portal within 5 seconds after loading in. if the player doesnt, then kicked back to JQ outpost. if the player is a bot they have a 1/8 chance of getting it.... if the player is real they will get it unless they disconn after loading in.
apply dishonor hex after 3 misses.
or just require captcha (sp?)
2 make JQ 3 teams of 3 or 2 teams of 4.
there arent as many bots in AB because teams are formed. also... this will help the player intelligence level... the defy pain wammo cant find a group? then he goes and makes a meta RoJ monk and learns how to contribute.
also having played other cap game types in the past i can say that it is way too easy to cap points here in JQ. either make the map bigger, the npcs spread out or buff the npcs. actual gameplay might result.
Bots operate by being able to predict which key sequence will work and get points.
1introduce a RANDOM method to get in the game.
for example, make a small room with 8 portals, and one is lit up red, with the message saying, pls enter red portal within 5 seconds after loading in. if the player doesnt, then kicked back to JQ outpost. if the player is a bot they have a 1/8 chance of getting it.... if the player is real they will get it unless they disconn after loading in.
apply dishonor hex after 3 misses.
or just require captcha (sp?)
2 make JQ 3 teams of 3 or 2 teams of 4.
there arent as many bots in AB because teams are formed. also... this will help the player intelligence level... the defy pain wammo cant find a group? then he goes and makes a meta RoJ monk and learns how to contribute.
also having played other cap game types in the past i can say that it is way too easy to cap points here in JQ. either make the map bigger, the npcs spread out or buff the npcs. actual gameplay might result.
Freeplay
Noloaders, bots, leechers oh my.......(in jq)
Well.... The botting is getting FLAGRANT! What do I mean by that? I saw bots yesterday with the word 'bot' in the character name. The bot owners aren't worried I guess if they are going to do that.
Among the usual monk roj bots, I saw my first warrior bot yesterday. It just spammed Charge and Heal signet as they were available which means it was probably using the default warrior premade skillbar. It never left the base we loaded in.
Had one JQ game with two who never loaded, two bots, and two leechers. Yup, me and one other person left to actually play the round.
We actually only lost 10-6 because I imagine it was pretty much the same on the other side.
Nope, I don't ragequit, faction is faction. I just play my tunes and drink my alcoholic beverages and hope for a better run next time.
Well.... The botting is getting FLAGRANT! What do I mean by that? I saw bots yesterday with the word 'bot' in the character name. The bot owners aren't worried I guess if they are going to do that.
Among the usual monk roj bots, I saw my first warrior bot yesterday. It just spammed Charge and Heal signet as they were available which means it was probably using the default warrior premade skillbar. It never left the base we loaded in.
Had one JQ game with two who never loaded, two bots, and two leechers. Yup, me and one other person left to actually play the round.
We actually only lost 10-6 because I imagine it was pretty much the same on the other side.
Nope, I don't ragequit, faction is faction. I just play my tunes and drink my alcoholic beverages and hope for a better run next time.
Shuuda
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-Rend Enchantments against Necro bombers.
-Wastrels Worry on carriers.
Mesmers rule the quarry... it is just too easy.
Burst Cancel
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Man everyone is abusing RoJ these days. Not just monks but assassins, eles mezmers and even wammos. Something must be done.
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moongod
Pblock/hum sig > RoJ /close thread
The Scorpion Knight
If they help the team win then theirs no complaint lol.
bena
im sick of bots STILL. what REALLY annoys me is that the bots are teh same name/guild tag
90% of bots that i see are [ct] or [Ooh] guild tag. they run all day and night from what i can see when i log in at various times. they have been running for MONTHS.
the change to dishonour helped a lot to eliminate leechers... but bots barely contribute more than leechers and are unfairly gaining faction. makes my r11 title feel cheapened... not to mention harder to get with the bots.
easiest way to stop this is to make JQ 2 teams of 4... or 3 teams of 4.
90% of bots that i see are [ct] or [Ooh] guild tag. they run all day and night from what i can see when i log in at various times. they have been running for MONTHS.
the change to dishonour helped a lot to eliminate leechers... but bots barely contribute more than leechers and are unfairly gaining faction. makes my r11 title feel cheapened... not to mention harder to get with the bots.
easiest way to stop this is to make JQ 2 teams of 4... or 3 teams of 4.
riktw
bots are lame, leechers are lamer.
i just stopped with JQ and doing DTSC now, and Anet likes that, double vanq weekend lol
i just stopped with JQ and doing DTSC now, and Anet likes that, double vanq weekend lol
Trader of Secrets
If you are complaining about bots u also may want to take a look at them at bergen hot springs too.
reaper with no name
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Basically: When you see a lonely dot on the radar moving towards the nearest quarry you know you better hurry or it all goes up in flames.
Man everyone is abusing RoJ these days. Not just monks but assassins, eles mezmers and even wammos. Something must be done. |
This is what I use when I go there, and it is so hilarious, because it actually works.
bena
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If you are complaining about bots u also may want to take a look at them at bergen hot springs too.
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brassai pvp [ct]
smite smite gut [Ooh]
ya will burn a lot [Ooh]
and many others with those same two guild tags. brassai for example ive seen around for about a month now.
as i typed this i saw smite smite gut in jq outpost sitting on the jade quarry sign... having targeted nearest object and spacing. i just saw him come back in... and run over straight to that sign.
this cant get much more obvious..... just go into jq outpost and wait 5 minutes, you'll see about 3-4 bots cycle in and out going after that post waiting on the timer to let them in again.
when cheating like this is blatantly obvious... there's a problem.
Esprit
I had a Ranger follow me around the entire game once, doing nothing but follow, even when I died, it find me. 
bena: It's against forum rules to call out player names.
bena: It's against forum rules to call out player names.
AngelWJedi
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Originally Posted by bena
Its really REALLY simple for anet to stop bots in JQ.
Bots operate by being able to predict which key sequence will work and get points. 1introduce a RANDOM method to get in the game. for example, make a small room with 8 portals, and one is lit up red, with the message saying, pls enter red portal within 5 seconds after loading in. if the player doesnt, then kicked back to JQ outpost. if the player is a bot they have a 1/8 chance of getting it.... if the player is real they will get it unless they disconn after loading in. apply dishonor hex after 3 misses. or just require captcha (sp?) 2 make JQ 3 teams of 3 or 2 teams of 4. there arent as many bots in AB because teams are formed. also... this will help the player intelligence level... the defy pain wammo cant find a group? then he goes and makes a meta RoJ monk and learns how to contribute. also having played other cap game types in the past i can say that it is way too easy to cap points here in JQ. either make the map bigger, the npcs spread out or buff the npcs. actual gameplay might result. |
and sad to say some days the bots are smarter then the peeps i play with in jq/fa.
bena
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one problem with your idea is for peeps like me that are slow loaders. now i dont take all day to load but it does take me at least a minute to load in. old comp ftl.
and sad to say some days the bots are smarter then the peeps i play with in jq/fa. |
another solution would be to remove objects and signposts from JQ. 98% of bots or so use ";" then "space" to succesfully get out of base. following ally or targeting closest enemy is unreliable for a bot. removing the object "to the yellow quarry" etc would be a severe hindrance to bot ability to imitate players enough to not get reported.
Jarus
Take note that there are quite a few bots who aren't RoJ-users.
One bot was a ranger which spent the entire round following me, doing nothing else. That was pretty obvious and frustratingly useless to the team.
Another bot was actually more useful. It was a warrior which followed players around, or beelined towards the nearest enemy and unleashed a flurry of axe skills at it. That one actually managed to kill a few RoJ'ing monks. Still, it was stupid enough to charge straight into a fully populated quarry.
Both cases /report'ed obviously. I hate bots.
One bot was a ranger which spent the entire round following me, doing nothing else. That was pretty obvious and frustratingly useless to the team.
Another bot was actually more useful. It was a warrior which followed players around, or beelined towards the nearest enemy and unleashed a flurry of axe skills at it. That one actually managed to kill a few RoJ'ing monks. Still, it was stupid enough to charge straight into a fully populated quarry.
Both cases /report'ed obviously. I hate bots.