Know why I hate playing Proph & Factions?

I posted about this paradox a few postings above.

It is really interesting that people like and dislike so many totally different things in Guild Wars, and play it for so many different reasons.

There are different preferences among players of other online games, too, but in GW this seems to be extreme.

This is absolutely what i feel too.

i also wish proph and factions had inscribable weapons. i like getting a r9 perfect prophecies drop as much as the next person, but a moment's excitement doesn't outweigh the functional benefits of inscribable weapons. i won't even buy or use anything that isn't inscribable, with the exception of focii - because to hell with 'forget me not' inscription prices.

There is nothing wrong with inscription system in general. Mayor problem is that this system was developed on living game, making some people unhappy.

I think that weapon/mod system in GW2 should look like this:
- no greens (this should keep mod prices in reasonable threshold)
- collector weapons (non inscriptable)as main source of pre-modded weapons for casual prayers.
- craftable common weapons (inscriptable) without inscription mods for PvP players
- craftable elite weapons (like tormented) inscriptable without inscription mods
- rare skins which should be bosses drops which could be non inscriptable

In such system, players would have access to cheap perfect weapons, but not so cool looking (but allowing them to play competitive in PvP) and there is also possibilities for those looking for uber rare items and high trades.

I save only req9 or less perfect weapons, and sell or give away the rest. But that's because I had all my heroes filled with collector stuff. So now I just replace old stuff with new stuff. More or less, 1 out of 100 items I get is a perfect req9, and only 1 out of 500 is gold in NM, and 1 out of 50 is gold in HM. And have only found perfect req8 as common foci, although it has been proved by characters and stated by anet that req7 and req8 drop inscribed, although VERY rare.

And no one would complain if inscriptions were not the system for everything added since Nightfall. If a new chest were to be added to the Tombs, it would have inscribed drops, for example.
If 'inscribed' were a random extra property, and have both systems combined, most people would still prefer inscribed ones, since they would be able to change them, and since in GW items have fixed maximums, and those fixed maximums are easy to achieve by design so they are fair in PvP, there is no reasons for both to coexist, you put all of them inscribed and done, everything's fair for all that enter any arena.

The idea in GW is to get to the max fast, and then play with the max achieved.
If you want a game with more levels for characters and equipment, or in which there is always a 'better item' waiting to be found, maybe you should look somewhere else, or wait until GW2.
In GWO, you hit the max soon, and modding is meant to be somehow quick.

Now there is no problem! I would absolutely agree to keep the old drop system in pre-Searing only. Then all you have to do is stay there forever, and leave the rest of the game to the rest of players.

No, they have as much as 3 unchangable values. The staff head and wrapping can be changed thanks to Charr Kits.
And if you need one good staff, all you have to do is get the 2005 million edition update, and you get an hourglass staff.

Way o go for GW2?
- First of all: CUSTOMIZE TO USE. No more eating a cake for a while, and then having it again to sell it when you get bored of it. You can't use a sword a giant was using or a dragon swallowed unless a weaponsmith uses his 13375 magiks to fix it into something you can use. Items should be either for use or for sell, but never both. Once an item is customized, it can be used only by characters of that account, and not even merchants would pay for it. Only things left for it would be usage, salvage or discard.
- The only unchangeable values an item needs is the basic properties that define the item. In the case of a sword, it would be its damage, in the case of a shield, it would be its defense. In the case of a 'flaming sword', it would be 'dealing flame damage instead slashing' and its damage numbers. Anything else would just be extras that can be changed and modified.
- Moddability should be just like in GW1: only be used to adjust an item to better fit playstyles or builds, but shouldn't make a common item into a perfect. An item that requires someting and having a certain damage would stay as requiring that something and having such certain damage, regardless of the mods you add, just like in GWO.
- The should be perfectly defined maximums for items: the ones defined for PvP. Anything beyond that would be PvE-only and become leveled to the PvP maximums upon entering PvP.
- Scape the 'King of the Hill' system many games use. There shouldn't be always a better item waiting, once you have reach the maximums, all that counts would be functionality, skins and PvE-only extra properties. A new different cool skin you may want to use with your armor will be waiting for you instead another stick like the last one that just happens to deal more damage.
- Unique items would be:
** With properties never found in any other items like those, that will be, of course, unique PvE-only properties disabled in PvP.
** No unique skins. There would be unique item for each skin, that would be noted with a different color name and an unique glow around the hands that hold it when equipped, or something like that. No two uniques with the same skin, no skin only for an unique.
** Grow with the user. There should never be two greens with the same properties. Once customized, their properties will go with the level of the user, but the fun of it is that the monsters that drop the greens (and his lackeys) will also ignore the levels of the party that fights them, so they would be as hard for those that fight at level 10 that for those that fight them at level 100.
- Since it will be a game with more levels, perfect items only would appear after a certain point of the game in PvE, where monsters start to have high levels. Skins should never be linked to levels of the item, just to the base attributes, i.e., A jitte has blunt damage, a flaming sword flaming damage.
- A set of PvP properties that all items will have. Any extra properties an item has would be PvE only. The idea is that when fighting others, the one that leveled more and has higher level items will not be the one with the upper hand.
- Since there will be no PvP characters, a PvE chracter must turn into a PvP character upon entering PvP. All PvP properties items have would become maxed when they enter PvP, and all PvE properties are disabled.

So. ppl complaining that they havent found useful non inscriables. tell me. in use 15% 14% and 13% mods are equal. so i bet loads ppl found 14% or 13%, just, its not perfect so they say its crap. back in 2005-2006 it didnt matter.
now it does even when theres techically no difference.
tell me, now with inscription. how many ppl you know using r9 insc crystalline with 14^50 mod?, but when there was no inscription.
14% was good, and equal to 15%.

Sure, its true that its hard to find good items non insc, but also as inscriable. ive played for 48months, and never had drop worth above 30k. inscriable or non. But still. found thousands of useful items, that are crap, because theyre 1point off, or req higher then 9.

@arcanemacabre

small clarification needed if you didn't understand:

players didn't want perfection back in early 2005 because it was so out of reach. It has turned 180degrees when perfection became so easy that even 1% off is considered trash even when it has no impact on the game.
And players do want Uber weapons, in every mmo, even in GW, 4 years ago and now. But sometimes they just have to be satisfied with the closest substitutes.

There are plenty of resons, the fun of hunting for them and collecting them is just the beginning.
From game design point of view having one weapon, lets say a single sword to be able to perform ALL the possible roles a sword could have in the whole game thanks to just easy modding is a horrible mistake. This mistake creates a huge avalanche of problems!

Just imagine (you may have problems here)... a player finds a sword, it's fully moddable and functionally without any flaws. That player also likes how it looks. He gets some mods and boom! End of the game! He may not even need another one ever, as he can reuse this one for all builds thanks to infinite remodding. Of course on his journeys that player will find dozens of swords, none of which better than his first one. The player realizes there's not even a smallest hope of finding something better because all the drops are equal, equally perfect, equally BOOOOOOOORRRRIIINNGGG!

it's just the beginning.

I have met DOZENS of totally disappointed players in game, who just realized their 15-22 sword they just got from a chest or bought for 1k in kamadan is max and can't be better

It usually goes like:
*they: WTB good sword 5k.
I show them a bunch of decent gold max insc swords
*they: shows his 15-22 the thought was a complete junk he got after 2 days into the game, and says 'pffft, not better than mine' and closes trade.
I explain then: 15-22 is max dmg for sword, there's no higher in this game.
*they: <shocked> omg this game sucks.

HAPPENED countless times to me since relese of Nightfall.
It was better before, at least the first cheap 15-22 sword players had most likely wasn't a +15^50 so there was some room for progression, and with perfect mods costing

It's not the end of problems here... having that 1 nice looking max dmg fully moddable sword creates the problem of overfarm of just one zone. Why would a player go anywhere else if he can farm just 1 mob that drops 'a sword' and he functionally has ANY sword in game.

A proper design would be to have some qualities of the sword which cannot be changed, and make them differ in various drop locations, and even better, make them also randomized so even one area will drop a selection of functionally DIFFERENT swords. Their quality should also differ, not every single purple or gold should have identical damage range or numerical value of inherent modifiers. Multiple variable unchangable values create DIFFERENT weapons, better or worse, or just different. So a player finding 10 swords will keep the best one, merch the worst ones and maybe try to sell to players 2nd best one. It will feel allright, because a higher stat will clearly show the player which ones are mediocre and which are better.

But in Nightfall that player may find that 10 swords and they will all be the same max damage and inscribable, he will want to keep 1 or 2 to use if they're his first ones, but he'll feel awkward merching 8 others which are just AS GOOD as the ones he's using. And he feels HOPELESS that he will never find anything better...

it's EXACTLY opposite. You fail at reasoning. I'll waste my precious time and explain:
Back when players were happy with almost every random gold they found the existance of the few best ones which
Now the EXACTLY Opposite impact have the inscriptions on me - the mere existance of them make my nice Tyrian drops worth much less, badly hurting my satisfaction from finding say a Gold max req.9 Tyrian Fellblade +15^50. Yes it's still *ORIGINAL* and feels much cooler because of that, but overabundant lame insc. clones out there DO negatively impact it's value, and I'm not even talking about market value.

Enough with purely cosmetic 'advantages', GW2 is a new game and should NOT have the dumb limitations of GW1, the absolute 100% item equality in PvE. It should just use a model closer to GW1 than any other MMO known to me, but with some new twists like removing the strict caps.

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god... i can't respond everyone, it would take whole days and epic walls of text.

I'm sorry, I think you're putting words into other people's mouths here. Your satisfaction is not others' satisfaction. The problem with this argument - the 'inscriptions are good/bad' one in general, that is - is that it's really subjective. Some of us like inscriptions, some don't, some don't really care as long as they can get something they can use.

You can cite all the impacts it has on you as a player, but they will remain impacts on you. And that last one applies for everybody, really.

Yeah, players are shocked that there are only 20 levels. And 15-22 max for a sword.

They already won the game, it seems? :>

They just want to play the run of the mill MMO. They are playing the wrong game. They want GW to be just like that, F2P WoW.

As if there would not be enough games out there that offer +10 levels every expansion.


The advantage of GW1 was that it was not about a power progression based on gear. I hope this is not too difficult to grasp. :P

When most people I know learn that there are so 'low' maximums compared to other games, some fin it weird, but most find it good, since they don't have to level before play, but play after level.

And I know some D&D players that find the 20 level limit quite accceptable.

And we know that even in GW2 level will mean just more experience, not much more strenght, since power will have a cap, and after it more levels mean much less addition of power.

I just wish inscribable items were a different color than the standard blue/purple/gold progression, since those colors and the corresponding "rarity" are meaningless when dealing with inscriptions. Req8 blue <item> with max stats is better than req9 purple is better than req10 gold if all are inscribable and same skin, but most people reject all of them because they only want gold req7-8-9's. It makes sense with non-inscribables since they instituted the limit where blues and purples cannot have max inherent mods, so the colors actually mean something, but with inscriptions, that just isn't true.

Otherwise, I enjoy both systems. Inscriptions are more useful on a practical level for building whatever stat weapons you want quickly and easily, but non-inscribed items are more fun from a collector's standpoint.

Agreed. I was also one of the people against inscriptions back in that huuggee thread long time ago. With the availability of cheap collectors and crafter items I never saw the reason for this system in the first place. Now all the items collector are shafted because 90% of gold items in the game became worthless. Crafter items became obsolete because a cheapo inscription clone gold can be gotten for just a bit more.

Well at least we're compensated with with pointless minis which can't even be seen unless I zoom all the way into the ground, and everlasting tonics which can't even be used in battle...[/Sarcasm]

I know this post has been responded to several times over, but it's the one that best states the opposing viewpoint:

So basically... *does her best wheezy old man voice* "You spoiled children, always wanting to be perfect... Back in my day, we used whatever worthless grapes we could find - AND WE LIKED IT!"

Okay, so a progression of better and better loot is bad, right?

Wait, what? You just said... *confused by self-contradictory viewpoint* Do you or do you not want a steady progression of increasing gear power?

Oh, and @UnChosen: But... what the topic is suggesting would solve the worthless collector thing! People don't use armor collectors because the armor can't take insignias. People don't use weapon collectors because the weapons can't be inscribed. If they were inscribable, people would again return to the collectors to get relatively "free" items. Oh, and I don't think weapon crafters are obsolete because of inscriptions - I'd bet it's got more to do with their insane price of 5-10k per (which is probably there so that people are encouraged to actually try and find their weapons in the wild). Heck, I bit the bullet and got a pair of bronze daggers crafted only a couple months ago because I couldn't find a decent pair anywhere with the mods I wanted, I had the cash lying around, and I had an inscription I wanted to use. Have crafters give us inscribables, and they'll get more traffic too.

Which is what Anet should've done from the beginning -.-, make collectors/crafter items cheap and inscribable (this is what I actually suggested long time ago too), and leave all the gold items alone, or make a few of the common and "uglier" gold items inscribable as well just to have more choices than just the generic items.

Or, they could've just made a separate set of skins that are hard to get and only available without inscription, which would've been fine with me also.

But instead they just went and made everything inscribable, including some of the rare prophecies/faction skins (Hall chest anyone?), while giving nothing to the less casual players. Titles/mini/everlasting does not count.

Noooo. *clings very tightly to the crafter she uses to get her 40/40 sets

I really think some of them are far more affordable than the alternatives, and their unique counterparts are hard to find, if they exist - I haven't found an alternative for a craftable/collectable restoration 20/20 focus!

I think it's partly because crafters don't sell the pretty skins. They're really good for filling in gaps in your weaponsets if you don't care about how they look, but for those who want the expensive skins... well, why buy a plain 20/20 focus when you can get a Celestial Compass and inscribe it? The former is significantly cheaper, but the second one is prettier. People do want pretty skins, 'prestige' skins. They're willing to spend stacks of ecto on a BDS because they like it. Nothing a crafter can offer has that kind of rarity value.

The same applies for collectors. They may be cheaper to get, but some of the things can be pretty annoying - 5 dessicated hydra claws will get me a 20/20 healing focus. Not a lot of claws, overall, but I dislike hydras. I tried to get a 20/20 restoration focus (5 truffles), couldn't find the truffles either, gave up, spent the 5k to craft it. Maybe it's the inconvenience + lack of pretty factor, is what I'm saying. Maybe. I can't judge for others.

I kind of hate Anet for introducing inscription ( and keg farming ) in the old days, was so happy found a 20/20 mod for something. Now I'm merching them >.>
But I have to thank Anet for not making everything come in mods. like 15/-1 weapons, +10vs +20%vs and dual attribute staffs.
I would love to play the game again without nightfall and gw:en, but with HM ofcourse ^^

Oh, come on. They did not 'introduce' keg farming. There is no reasonable way they could've expected people, even with the existance of Shadow Form of any strength, to drag Budger Blackpowder through 3 zones to a specific dense spawning area.

But we KNOW since the Prophecies that big mobs composed of a single type of creature are easily farmed.

Yet they added then in several places again. For example:
- Vermin in Kaineng.
- Spiders in kourna.
- Monothiths in the Desolation.
- Espectral Vaettir in the Norn lands.
- Raptors in Asura lands.

All of them easily farmable. Keg farming is just a method, bu first you need the mob.

I wonder...

IF Guild Wars 2 has no level cap (possible)....

Will PvE weapons follow suit? (Obviously, PvP will have caps).

I don't know how I feel about it. I don't understand how people play WoW, knowing all the grind they do to get perfect armor and weapon sets will be worthless once the new expansion hits and random drops are better!

well in tyria there was many places aswell aswell
- Griffons in Desert
- Ettins in Kryta
- Trolls in Shiverpeaks
- Hydras in Desert
- White mantle in Jungle

With 'again' I meant 'later campaigns'.
Prophecies has lost of one-neemy mobs, but it's seems just plain lazyness or lack of resources.
In new campaigns, almost every single race had at least 3 different professions, in their ranks, with a few exceptions, but in Factions:
- All trolls are warriors.
- All dragons, imps and hydras are elementalists.
- Al griffon mobs are composed either of "all warrior" or "all monks".

Then there are some enemies thay may have as much as 2 professions in their groups, like gargoyles, grawl or elementals.

And the charr, the centaurs, the tengu, the stone summit, the undead, the white matle, the forgotten, the mursaat and the titans are few of the many enemies found in Prophecies that may have 3 or more professions in a group at the same time.

And it's not just professions, it's also builds.

Stone summit may have as much as 14 different builds in the Eye of North areas, while the Hydras have basically the same build in all their 3 different appearances.

I'd rather have groups of mixed professions with all the different appeaances they have for some creatures than different ppearances with the same profession several times in the game.

What's that you say Anaiya? I can't hear you? Ohhhhhh that's right you are banned so you can't speak haha

At any rate how did you come up with < 1% of the player base? I love how people throw these figures out here like sheets in the wind without any proof or documentations just speculation. Well heck I can do that I'd say well over 50% prefer rare content over same ole same ole everybody has one or can get one mentality. See! Works for me also.

I'd have to go with this feller here.

Ja, it's cool getting a totally rare and perfect Tyrian/Canthan skin, but that's not a terribly common event. I don't like looking at a cool skin, ID'ing it, and finding it useless. I'd much rather see a cool skin, ID it, and if the stats aren't good, be able to change it to my liking.

@Arcanemacabre: Hooooly cow I saw your post get quoted and I freaked! Welcome back!!!

And I assure you that at least 90% of the people consider more rare a new skin they have never seen than the same plain skin they have got already 30 times just because it has a 15 instead a 14, when they already can attach that 15 to that cool new skin with an inscription.

Rarity in skins is a rarity that you actually see when the item is equipped.
'Rarity' in properties is an 'unseen' rarity that is only shown if you go around opening trades with people or posting images in forums.
When you ping a weapon, it doesn't even show if the item is inscribed or not, se it should be more important to be able to modify the variable properties of that item than getting those variable properties maxed when it drops.
All items have at least two fixed properties that are not variable. With more skins in-game now, there is no need for more.


Those that ask for rarity should ask for things like more skins or making the rare skins drops less frequently, not to make more rare the occurrences of an item with maxed properties. Not in GW, where max is not something to long for, but to reach reasonably fast.

+1 for the old drop system. Between collectors, weapon shops and existing mods, we already had all we needed before inscriptions. Afterwards we lost a major source of fun in the game in searching for that perfect drop. All merchant food now, but what's done is done.

Non-inscribable is pointless and retarded; I applaud ArenaNet for the addition of inscriptions.

It was all merchant food before the update. At least now if you get a nice skin, you have a chance of actually using it yourself. I didn't have a single non-collector weapon that I liked using before greens came out, because all the mods sucked on basically everything else. Similarly, I didn't have a single non-green weapon that I liked using before NF.

That isn't fun; it's stressful and annoying. And no one's stopping you from continuing to do so in Factions and Prophecies.

I second this opinion

The good old days where all items found where collectible even a crappy looking thing if it was maxed was an awesome find. The good old days when a + 20% sundering mod sold for 90-120k. It makes an ill feeling in my stomach when I see them traded for 3k. Inscriptions should be for collector weapons only IMO. Don’t get me wrong I like the inscriptions but I think drops and chests should drop with out them. Maybe make them salvageable but not upgradable. The value of rares would sky rocket.

The problem with is that not everyone can afford that 90-120k. Say you want to outfit a new character. Think about the amount of money you'd have to fork out to outfit that new character if you really wanted that +20% sundering mod.

If you happen to find lots of those sundering mods, they're probably 'good old days' for you. Not so much for the people who keep trying to find them but can't, and can't afford to fork out 90k. Yes?

(Although, boy, I remember being absolutely delighted to find a Sup Death Magic rune because it went for 7k at the time, and I was dead broke.)

Maybe it's not obvious enough to you, but the real fun in finding that perfect drop was the worth attached to it. With inscribables, that value is greatly diminished, as is the fun.

Stressful? Annoying? These aren't terms I'd usually associate with playing a game I enjoy. What kept you going all that time before inscriptions were available?

Those items are still there for you to hunt, if you really enjoy that We get inscribables, you get trash, everyone's happy.

If all you did in Guild Wars was hunt items, I feel sorry for you.

No, I hunt items while playing the game at top performance using COLLECTERS and CRAFTER items, and the items I get gives additional excitement to the missions/quests themselves. And after I finish all the missions I hunt items till the next chapter comes out. Now not only is all the missions repeated to death, there's absolutely nothing to look forward to in drops or chests.

I actually don't mind mods being cheap at all, since I do believe in the skill>time concept so perfect items should be available for cheap. What I don't believe in is cosmetics>time where every crappy gold items became perfect and ruin the rarity of nearly all gold items. If people want perfect easily there are collectors and crafter items available, and the good looking ones should be earned.

Inscriptions are great if what you want is freedom.

Non-inscriptions are great if you are lucky enough to get a rare one and want to grab someone else farming money to buy the non inscription rare weapon you want.

So, inscription system favor players while non-inscription system favor farmer/traders.

I'm a player I prefer the inscription system and want it to be implemented in all campaigns. If I was a farmer/trader I would rather have the opposite.

If what you want is a sephis axe or a claymore because you like the skin, inscriptions are great. If what you want is xxx skin that is the rarest because no one else has one, then you don't want inscriptions.

Thanks for telling us what we should consider rare, but we won't agree.

When we're talking about usual drops found while playing the campagins or chestrunning - skin itself is nothing. Skin + Stats combination is the real rarity, or in some cases it's just stats!

As a fan of rarities I'd love to see MORE functional variety among items (trust me, there are ways to do that without impacting game balance). I don't want more skins as there are way too many in GW compared to their functional variety, effecting in every new one being just *more of the same* - If I already got one I like more there's no point in getting interested in the new ones.

Inscribable items are so lame and not worthy of collecting for the simple reason they're all practically the same, zero variety. They're all perfectly usable, but at the same time hold no value as 'treasures', no fun of collecting xeros. That's why I love getting *ORIGINAL* rares in Tyria and Cantha.

You sound like the the typical greedy player who wants all the items to remain rare and at a high price.........I love Guildwars for the fact that most of the weapons are very, very common.

I want some items to remain rare and at a high price, which I don't find unreasonable at all. I also want some items that are medium in rarity, and some common ones....its called variety.

Too bad the damage is already done, all random dropped gold are pretty much worthless, and the only ones that still worth something are those that are obtained after some stressful dungeon's chest, and even those can be counted with 2 hands.

All I hope is that Anet add something to spice things up, like craftable weapons in FoW for 1000 ectos each or something.

Well, the 100k limit in trades is there for a reason.
I doubt they ever intended so many items to be sold over 100k like when there were no inscriptions. The price of some green item was just insane.
Inscriptions and HM changed that, and the average rare item cost is around 50k now, while there are still stuff over 100k. That was a success.

It is the skin what should have a limited availability, not a set of properties for an item. Not in GW. Yeah, people may like that, but that's not GW-like.
Look at PvP tournament rewards. That's the perfect example. Getting the prestige skins is the hard thing. Getting the properties is as easy as it should be.
There are other games with more levels and with a better item always waiting after some more kills. Examples are Diablo, Dungeon Siege or Dungeon Runners.
You can't press that kind of dropping system to GWO. Maybe for GW2, I don't know how will it bem but as GW is now. It just doesn't make sense.

In those games you just add stuff on top of what you have. You add more attributes, you get more health, you get more armor... there are limits, but waaaay far from the start.
But GW is a game that has very limited equipment properties, attributes and skills while fighting.
That's why it is meaningless to keep the old system now that there are so many skins.
Yes, people may do want that kind of drop system, but it's not for GW, that's why the new one was added. I love that kind of drop system, but I want to keep it where it should be: games with hack and slash like Diablo.
The main and more strong reason to update the whole drops, it's the discrepancy with PvP items, the same reason why the Menagerie is good for PvP characters.
The differences between hearty and dire animals may not be so much, but they existed, and PvP-only characters never had a choice to go for those combinations.
Now they can, and that's good, and anyone saying otherwise... well, they would be just lying, and you know that!

The old system creates items PvP-characters can never create. If they want them, they must buy them, and if the item creation panel exists is so PvP characters doesn't have to buy anything, and one of the main reasons to get a PvP account and/or make PvP characters.
That incongruence must be fixed, either by adding more upgrades to allow all combinations that the old system created or by upgrading all old items to the new system.
Not much people would like the latter, so the first one is the logical solution.

There would be still the problem of the old drops not bing inscribable. Although I think It would be just easier to update everything like with armors, I see more pressing to allow PvP-only characters to have any set of properties a PvE can bring...

...well, excepting PvP-only stuff like infusion, of course.

And remember that [reverb]Inscriptions don't make items drop with perfect properties[/reverb], and even with perfect upgrades you can't always make them perfect. They just allow to change one variable property that was previously fixed to add more rarity when there were less variety in skins.
Now that there are so many different skins, that 'extra' rarity is no longer needed! The base properties is enough.
Inscriptions don't make items gold+max base+req9, it is Hard Mode what makes that more common, not inscriptions, and farming builds make the rest.

A typical example of the "Market player" vs the "Kill mobs player".

"Market players" would be doomed if the "Kill mobs players" could get all the stuff they need.

The inscription system is superior for the "kill mobs player" since they can get the stuff they want to kill the mobs in a more efficient way much faster.

Now "market players" don't need multiple weapons to kill mobs faster. If they kill mobs at all is by farming and that depends much more on skills than weapons and when farming they are alone so who cares if they are using crappy collector weapons? They only need a lucky drop or make some initial money by farming or power trading and from then on they can play "market wars".

Due to the very "greedy" nature of GW concerning loot back then (and still now) the "market/farmer players" would acquire quite an advantage over the "kill mobs player".

Collectors + Crafter = No advantage for "market players"

Its not like we can charm the monsters with dazzling good looks or something.