PvX dilemma
Ranger Jonah
Agreed FengShui, although sometimes I have to turn on local chat so I can shout at the warrior running meteor shower >.>
dilan155
its fine to use PvX builds, but once you get used to the build you should try to alter it just a little bit with your own skills.
Aldric
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
"You pussy runner, stop running away"
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PvX is fine imo aslong as you play around with the skills to suit your skill/style and aim and don't just treat it like is a bloody gospel.
dusanyu
Only Problem with PvX is some of the Builds are Over rated on the site. but that is a problem with portions of the Community of that site not being the sharpest axes in the armory. Secondly some of the Builds are out of day and remain in the "great" Section
example look at "Great Working GvG builds
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:G...ing_GvG_builds
No Honor is still being listed even thow it has been nerfed eight ways from Sunday
also if you look at the No honor build they got the ranger wrong (No mending touch WTF?)
but in general the builds are decent Just don't put too much stock in the commentary.
example look at "Great Working GvG builds
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:G...ing_GvG_builds
No Honor is still being listed even thow it has been nerfed eight ways from Sunday
also if you look at the No honor build they got the ranger wrong (No mending touch WTF?)
but in general the builds are decent Just don't put too much stock in the commentary.
Linkusmax
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Originally Posted by Ranger Jonah
Agreed FengShui, although sometimes I have to turn on local chat so I can shout at the warrior running meteor shower >.>
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Snow Bunny
PvX builds, no matter how mangled they are with respect to the good builds they are failing to copy, are nevertheless better than the Spirit Strength builds everyone runs.
It is the lesser of 2 evils.
It is the lesser of 2 evils.
Alleji
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Originally Posted by Deimos Zargarda
I myself am a r10 Hero, 4 glad
<...> So my question is, why do ppl hate PvX users that much? |
Deimos Zargarda
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Originally Posted by Alleji
You should really know the answer yourself.
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So in other words, nothing wrong with PvX, and those ppl calling you a PvX noob or whatever, simply shouldnt be taken seriously at all.
superraptors
i dont get the pve scrubs calling a WORKING build, a pvx build, its a working meta build which is most viable e.g shock axe a build thats been ran forever, pvx is a trash site for worthless pvers
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Squishy ftw
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
PvX builds, no matter how mangled they are with respect to the good builds they are failing to copy, are nevertheless better than the Spirit Strength builds everyone runs.
It is the lesser of 2 evils. |
But ye, PvX is just fine. People calling others PvX noobs are usually noobs themselves who can't take a defeat.
360??
Calling someone PvXnoob or the like is justified when you can see that the person has just copied the build from there. Lack of weaponswapping is the best sign of it imo. When someone with a good build just stands in one weapon set, even if it's just the defensive one, is 99% surely a guy who has just copied the build.
Akaraxle
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Originally Posted by Deimos Zargarda
I myself am a r10 Hero, 4 glad, which only shows that I do alot of PvP but I still can find myself surfin on PvX now and then.
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1) Your titles do not mean s***;
2) People calling other noobs for using PvX builds are dumbf*cks and should be ignored.
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Chicken Ftw
Pretty sure he said the same thing about his titles, reading comprehension ftw.
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Akaraxle
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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
Pretty sure he said the same thing about his titles, reading comprehension ftw.
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haggus71
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Originally Posted by Akaraxle
I did comprehend, I was just restating the blatant to make sure I hit someone's (e.g. yours) nerve.
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gg
Chicken Ftw
It's amusing really. Trolls trolling trolls. I love this place.
Fay Vert
PvX is a great resource and most of the good builds are on there.
One problem is quality control, there are some truely dreadful and inefficient builds there that are rated great by some idiot or another (who ARE these people?).
The other main problem is having a build and knowing how to use it are two different things, sometimes the explanation on PvX is not very good and many poorer players just mash buttons in any order thinking that the build is good so the team problem can't be them.
Overall though, unless you kow what you are doing, PvX is an excellent starting place, just don't let it be the ending place too.
One problem is quality control, there are some truely dreadful and inefficient builds there that are rated great by some idiot or another (who ARE these people?).
The other main problem is having a build and knowing how to use it are two different things, sometimes the explanation on PvX is not very good and many poorer players just mash buttons in any order thinking that the build is good so the team problem can't be them.
Overall though, unless you kow what you are doing, PvX is an excellent starting place, just don't let it be the ending place too.
Athrun Feya
there's a few problems with pvx really, speaking as a reasonably active contibutor.
Rating System and Bias
Firstly the rating system is poor. Builds that even verge on meta will be awarded 5-5-X by some tard and basically everything else is trashed. So no surprise everyone ends up with very similar builds. Generally, as long as you have the balls to stand your ground and manage to successfully convince the pvx circlejerks your build is a winner, or already belong to said group, then it will be. There's also huge PvP biasing, so much of the PvE section is neglected, a lot things become outdated or ineffective due to skill changes but remain as they are for months.
The Holy Grail
PvX should be there to be PuG-friendly and give those with no idea at least SOME idea about how to complete something or try something. For better players it should be a backbone or concept to a better build that requires more co-ordination or skill. Instead, however, people are taking the builds as a be all and end all (especially in pve), when really some of them are just made by players as average as the next and could always be improved. The versions of the build are far from terrible, but could also be improved significantly.
Rating System and Bias
Firstly the rating system is poor. Builds that even verge on meta will be awarded 5-5-X by some tard and basically everything else is trashed. So no surprise everyone ends up with very similar builds. Generally, as long as you have the balls to stand your ground and manage to successfully convince the pvx circlejerks your build is a winner, or already belong to said group, then it will be. There's also huge PvP biasing, so much of the PvE section is neglected, a lot things become outdated or ineffective due to skill changes but remain as they are for months.
The Holy Grail
PvX should be there to be PuG-friendly and give those with no idea at least SOME idea about how to complete something or try something. For better players it should be a backbone or concept to a better build that requires more co-ordination or skill. Instead, however, people are taking the builds as a be all and end all (especially in pve), when really some of them are just made by players as average as the next and could always be improved. The versions of the build are far from terrible, but could also be improved significantly.
dr love
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Originally Posted by kunt0r
People who make fun of other peoples builds suck themselves but just don't realize it.
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MithranArkanere
I only use PvX to get some ideas. Some of them are a good point to start with. Then I made the appropriate changes to make them actually work.
They should add some kind of warning to people so they do just pick the builds and use them as-is.
They should add some kind of warning to people so they do just pick the builds and use them as-is.
Targren
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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
Because it practically encourages you to be a sheep and not learn the skills yourself.
Anyone can copy a build down and spam skills, but it takes a GOOD player to make a build up themselves and use it effectively. |
I've been playing my ranger since Day 1, got my protector titles, working on guardian,got my UW, SF, Urgoz,etc... statues (No one in my guild does the Deep. QQ). Suffice it to say, I've got "the feel" of the class. Haven't looked at a PvX Ranger build in forever, except to compare my build when someone called me a Wiki noob (turns out my general vanquishing build is similar but, IMNSHO, superior to the ranger turret that was up there).
On the other hand, I recently had to start a new character (in prophecies. Yech) to introduce my GF to the game. I made a mesmer, since I've never made one. My mesmer experience consisted entirely of loading up Gwen's bar with every skill that has the word "interrupt" in it. Looked at the builds on the wiki then. Realized that it wasn't much help. :P
Vir Leto
Stupid people and kids verbally abusing someone in a MMO is not exactly news. If it is not about your build it is about something else. Learn to ignore the majority of persons in a MMO, otherwise you will be frustrated quite often.
On the PVX issue, I think it is a great site, information is allways good. It helps begginers learn some decent builds and experienced players get some new ideeas or try something different. As previously stated, it is more important how you play the build then where you got it from.
As a final note on any given time I would much rather have someone on my team with a build from pvx then the usual bad builds you find on people.
On the PVX issue, I think it is a great site, information is allways good. It helps begginers learn some decent builds and experienced players get some new ideeas or try something different. As previously stated, it is more important how you play the build then where you got it from.
As a final note on any given time I would much rather have someone on my team with a build from pvx then the usual bad builds you find on people.
FalconDance
PvX is, to my thinking, a good place to find ideas on builds you might not have otherwise thought. I've used several of the builds, slightly modified for my game style, with a high success rate. I do not, however, load in any of the builds verbatim and play slavishly true to the template.
For those who harass a player for using PvX, makes me wonder what their own skillbars are and whether they are efficient in their profession. Sure, you can come up with decent stuff on your own, but it's nice sometimes to "listen" to what someone else has tested and found effective first!
For those who harass a player for using PvX, makes me wonder what their own skillbars are and whether they are efficient in their profession. Sure, you can come up with decent stuff on your own, but it's nice sometimes to "listen" to what someone else has tested and found effective first!
Default Name
Losers will QQ about how its everyone's fault when they lose other than admitting the fact that they suck. Such is the world we live in.
Yichi
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Originally Posted by fenix
...PvX is shitty versions of meta builds. They're copied down off obs wrong by PvErs and then everyone else assumes they're right, so of course you get scrubs running bars that are MEANT to look like the obs ones, but don't.
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Athrun Feya
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Originally Posted by Yichi
I'm gonna go with this.
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JASON626
Pvx is ok. Its good place to start with an idea then customize it.
But to me a PvX noob is someone who has copy pasted with no thought to is this build out dated by skill balances/nerfs.
But to me a PvX noob is someone who has copy pasted with no thought to is this build out dated by skill balances/nerfs.
The Scorpion Knight
As long as the build does what it's intended to do it's good, people are always going to bitch, just start bitching back.
haggus71
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Originally Posted by JASON626
Pvx is ok. Its good place to start with an idea then customize it.
But to me a PvX noob is someone who has copy pasted with no thought to is this build out dated by skill balances/nerfs. |
mazza558
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Originally Posted by dbulger
definitely this ^^ some bad players don't like to lose to 'meta/common' builds and also insist on not playing them themselves because they want to be 'original' (i.e. bad)
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Back then
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Originally Posted by RotteN
I got called a PvX noob lately for running shock axe. (in the sense of "lololol go copy moar builds you f*cikn PvX noob")
All in all quite hilarious since i've been running shock axe since the day they nerfed gale, and the only change i ever made was swap executioner's for body blow. I don't even visit PvX, hell, i wouldn't even know the actual url. Do i think it's a bad website? No. 90% of the GW population wouldn't recognise skill synergy even if it hit them between the eyes doing 120MPH. At least now they can look up skills bars and start from there. It's easier to judge about the quality of a skillbar (good/bad) than to build one from scratch. |
No one in guildwars is original. I've made some "orginal" builds that worked great, but they were always inspired by another build or a concept from another build. No one just sits down, and puts 8 random skills together and comes up with this magically awesome build. Everything in guildwars is built off past builds and ideas. So the whole concept of a "pvx noob" is really very stupid.
glacialphoenix
Frankly, I think there are two extremes: there's the people who wail everytime you deviate from their perceived 'perfect' bar, and then there are the people who flip out and call you a wikinoob if your bar so much as resembles the one on PvX.
Not to mention the people who basically run along the lines of "If I win, you suck. If I lose, you still suck, because you copied, you cheater!"
It's a resource. You can either make good use of a resource or you can abuse it. That's all there really is to it. =\
Not to mention the people who basically run along the lines of "If I win, you suck. If I lose, you still suck, because you copied, you cheater!"
It's a resource. You can either make good use of a resource or you can abuse it. That's all there really is to it. =\
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Back then
I dont know if its still like this, but you used to be able to make "pre-made" pvp characters, and one of them was a shock-axe warrior. Anet friggen gave people pre-made shock axe warriors, how can anyone think thats a "PvX build"...? It's been around FOREVER.
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Ghost Omel
As some one previously stated there is no running away from such insults.
But honestly people should realize that by now there is no original builds and combos. Maybe 2 years ago or even before that you could have gotten a great idea of what combos to use but now everything that was possible to make that is playable is a;lready made before by some one else.
On top of that most people are used to the "norm" builds as other have said before me and any sighn of 'irregularity' is a red flag for the bulls..
So i am afraid the only thing we can do is to endure such comments.
But honestly people should realize that by now there is no original builds and combos. Maybe 2 years ago or even before that you could have gotten a great idea of what combos to use but now everything that was possible to make that is playable is a;lready made before by some one else.
On top of that most people are used to the "norm" builds as other have said before me and any sighn of 'irregularity' is a red flag for the bulls..
So i am afraid the only thing we can do is to endure such comments.
Karate Jesus
It's because we (PvX users) are obs-RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs who, like many of you have said, often copy down a build that may not be the most "meta" variation of the build. That goes for PvE too.
We have very few people who actually know what they're talking about, and the people who actually know what they're talking about either don't care to use our site or they try to use our site but are so full of themselves that no one listens to them.
It's beautiful in it's retardedness
We have very few people who actually know what they're talking about, and the people who actually know what they're talking about either don't care to use our site or they try to use our site but are so full of themselves that no one listens to them.
It's beautiful in it's retardedness
Boondocksaints
How would these people even know what a PvWiki noob is unless they themselves do not go there and know the builds posted extensively? SELF-PWNED.