WTF Ooze Pits in HM with h/h

ok, i wasn't doing anything wrong when I was using Discordway. I followed what the exact build (minus the setup of the player character) in PvXwiki. Yet I got wiped when I reached 60 dp and forced to return to outpost. Yes, I do know there is no corpse exploitation in Ooze Pits, but who needs minions when u have Discord.



Well I was trying to pull with a longbow, but often times ALL the nearby mobs come into me.

And I didn't have a chance to reach to the boss. I got wiped in the area with two rolling rocks and a room that shoots of poison darts. 1. Setup had minions, like you said no corpse exploitation, wasted skill slots
2. Are you actually hexing and conditioning the enemies effectively with your bar, and calling correctly?
3. Mobs are VERY sticky in HM. Pulling can be very difficult, and are you sure that they are not one big mob, sometimes mobs will take and area and go around it pointlessly and crowd up every minute or so, watch the mobs for a while to see if it is 1 or more.

2. Are you actually hexing and conditioning the enemies effectively with your bar, and calling correctly? Well yes, I was calling on targets. I even mashed ctril+spacebar on the target multiple times in rapid succession when I got killed during battle, but the h/h are just too stupid.

Well yes, I was calling on targets. I even mashed ctril+spacebar on the target multiple times in rapid succession when I got killed during battle, but the h/h are just too stupid. No, the problem is if you read discord realllllly carefully you will see that it needs a condition and a hex to work correctly, henchys will not apply this in an effective manner, YOU have to be able to apply both in rapid succession and be able to do it often for the build to work.

Oh also, are all you heros on guard? Some people have that problem.

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can. such an arrogant moronic attitude won't get you anywhere, i did it with h/h and a golem summoning stone in hm, you're either really bad at trolling or really bad at guild wars, either way you fail.

Ok, here's what my ranger was using when I was doing this:

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The big problem is that most of the condition-inflicting skills rangers have requires someone to be fleshy. So change to inflict conditions that don't require your targets to be fleshy.

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can. 1. It can be done with H+H. I did it.

2. Discordway is far from the strongest build out there in general, and it's particularly poorly suited to this dungeon.

3. This dungeon is so easy in NM that you don't notice the features of the ooze "life cycle" that you need to know to manage HM. Let me help:
a. Volatile Oozes will kill you in HM unless you have serious damage-mitigation in place ahead of time. They are the biggest obstacle to survival.
b. Volatile Oozes pop up near normal ooze groups.
c. Volatile Oozes can usually be pulled away from normal oozes.
d. Ooze Devourers convert dead oozes into Volatile Oozes, and do so very rapidly in HM. Giving a Devourer a chance to do that is a very big mistake.

If the heroes-do-all-the-work mindlessness of discordway hasn't completely rotted your brain, you should be able devise a way of mitigating the damage from the volatile oozes, and the rest isn't so hard.

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can. So many things wrong with this sentence.

Try running...I dunno...something OTHER then premade builds? I hear there are many other heroes to try out. could be wrong.

1. It can be done with H+H. I did it.

2. Discordway is far from the strongest build out there in general, and it's particularly poorly suited to this dungeon.

3. This dungeon is so easy in NM that you don't notice the features of the ooze "life cycle" that you need to know to manage HM. Let me help:
a. Volatile Oozes will kill you in HM unless you have serious damage-mitigation in place ahead of time. They are the biggest obstacle to survival.
b. Volatile Oozes pop up near normal ooze groups.
c. Volatile Oozes can usually be pulled away from normal oozes.
d. Ooze Devourers convert dead oozes into Volatile Oozes, and do so very rapidly in HM. Giving a Devourer a chance to do that is a very big mistake.

If the heroes-do-all-the-work mindlessness of discordway hasn't completely rotted your brain, you should be able devise a way of mitigating the damage from the volatile oozes, and the rest isn't so hard. Stop spewing BS when you haven't even tested it. Discordway DOES work for this dungeon. You're right, discord is not the best build for this and most dungeons (a build tailored to the dungeon is), but straight up discord works for MOST places and is simply the fastest in low to mid end VQs.

I did Ooze Pit in HM with straight up discordway with no problem at all. The only trouble I had was at the boss, but that's because I didn't bother to wiki. It's true, triple necro is not ideal here, because minions were not ideal here, but it does WORK. That's just a tribute to how strong the build is.

straight up discord works for MOST places and is simply the fastest in low to mid end VQs. The second part of that is not true. Discord heroes do work for most places, but it is not noteworthy for it's speed. The primary benefit of Discord heroes is that it relies very little on the player and tends to just overwhelm most content. It has a huge margin for error so you don't have to think too hard to win.

For almost every zone there's something better, and depending on your own ability, much faster; but if you can just take the discord Necros and win without putting much effort into it, who cares?

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can. I just finished with 1 hero, 600 smite ftw HM - bad drops though...

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can. I almost start crying every time I see someone say "If discord can't do it, nothing can" or somethign to that effect. People can't use their brains anymore? anything can be done with h/h (and yes i do mean without discord...), somethings will undoubtably be harder and require planning, but if you know the game to a decent stanard then it won't be too hard.

Let's takes ooze for an example, they do like to come into melee range, so what's good against foes that do that? AoE/PBAoE? skills like VoR would work wonders, Maelstrom and AoE snares, to deal with the energy draining and Wail of Doom from casters.

I almost start crying every time I see someone say "If discord can't do it, nothing can" or somethign to that effect. People can't use their brains anymore? anything can be done with h/h (and yes i do mean without discord...), somethings will undoubtably be harder and require planning, but if you know the game to a decent stanard then it won't be too hard.

Let's takes ooze for an example, they do like to come into melee range, so what's good against foes that do that? AoE/PBAoE? skills like VoR would work wonders, Maelstrom and AoE snares, to deal with the energy draining and Wail of Doom from casters.

QFT nothing more to say about it, this happens when people go to shop builds in PvX instead of being creative and don't want to learn the curve of the game/profession or simply learning the BASICS, you know the BASICS you can do anything in the game.