Better then Keg Farming?

brawler

brawler

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2009

The Great White North

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Well after the recent Keg farming nerf most of you insane farmers are wondering, "Where can I get all my drop event items now?". However someone showed me a possible better farm that could be better then keg farming. I personally like it more and you get to brush the dust off those old warriors and put them to use.


Well where do you think this farm could be? Check out this video I made and take a look for yourself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EtbPwAU7ns
Follow the video and you will regain your drops

Enjoy!

*Disclaimer*
I know that there are other raptor farming builds and I know warrior raptor is not something new. I am ask for your opinion on whether warrior raptor farming is better kegging or any other farming builds.

Daesu

Daesu

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2008

Nothing new. I have tried the warrior build and ele build long time before and I find the ele build to be better. At least you can kill the boss with the ele build and not have to die.

Ebony Shadowheart

Ebony Shadowheart

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

USA

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Raptor farming.....nothing new. Been doing it for quite some time.

I find the ele build to be quicker and more effective, considering it can kill the boss, than the other builds available.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

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THAN*

This build has been around for a while but I suck at using it for some reason. Keg farming was virtually risk-free and required little effort or concentration whereas this 100Blades build needs focus and timing rather than 1, 2, 3, spam kegs.

This will probably become the new event item farm however.

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

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As I'm sure you know , during the past several event weekends for pies/ciders/cupcakes/apples/eggs/bunnies etc... I've spent over 17 hours a day farming both Raptors & Vaettir via. Hundred Blades for raptors and Perma Sin for kegging. (and I can guarantee you -- taking leechers does not increase your droprate of loot-scaled items -_-)

Although THEORETICALLY you actually kill more raptors than vaettir, I actually got more event item drops doing Keg Farming.

To put it into perspective; at top speeds
It takes about 55s to do a raptor farm which includes;run to cave gather aggro wait for aggro to settle & kill (33 enemies) loot resign load into town run out, load into rata sum
Now with Vaettir, it took about (with a perfect build) 87s to do a full run, which again, includes;Load into Jaga Aggro + Cast perma Ball everything (36 enemies) - Balling all 60 at the same time, or the other 24 after, no matter what, increases average kill time per enemy, no matter how you do it. Step + keg spam Loot Run to exit & load Turn around and load back into Jaga
So they are both a full cycle, no skewed results here.

So in the same amount of time, you are killing approximately .600 raptors every second, and .414 vaettir ever second.

It equates out to killing 45 raptors, but only 31 vaettir in 75seconds.

In my "experiment" doing keg-bombing actually gave me more (how is this possible?) event items by about 1.5x (2stack / 2hr from raptors vs 3stacks / 2hr from kegging)

It works out to about every 8.5 raptors drop an event item, and every 4 vaettir drop an event item.


tl;dr:
Although raptors SHOULD drop more event items, vaettir drop more than twice as many. If you can farm 36 vaettir in about 1:45 or less, do it.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

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-1 internets for believing that Raptor farming is something new. Also, I would wager that this build is more effective than yours.

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Originally Posted by brawler View Post
*Disclaimer*
I know that there are other raptor farming builds and I know warrior raptor is not something new. I am ask for your opinion on whether warrior raptor farming is better kegging or any other farming builds. Nah.

Nessar

Nessar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

West Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide

Gwen Has A Thing For [Pyre]

Raptor farming has been around since eotn came out. Thanks for the effort though :P

TheBuck

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

-100 to IcyFiftyFive for farming 17hrs a day.

There is nothing to new any of the farming areas or ideas if you have been playing for the 4yrs that the game has been out.

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

Hey guys, I think he just won GW?

Just bbq...seriously have you never entered rata sum or been in the GW community since eotn? It isn't even that profitable, leeching with henchies definitely does not improve it either.

brawler

brawler

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2009

The Great White North

Scions Of Carver [SCAR]

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I know raptor farming is not new and I know this build is not new. I am simply asking what you people think is better and what you think of it. Lawl at all the hate

My New Name

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

lol raptor farming so old news and this warrior build looks inferior to the ele
nice job :P

lilDeath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Treehouse #1

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RAS

Raptors is the big thing again, after the kegging nerf (/fail Anet)

btw - Kegging was better imo. Funner too (yes, that's a word).

kupp

kupp

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Shiverpeaks

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Raptors aren't anything new. At first when I saw the 90 seconds for a whole run, I thought that was hella slow since I could already do it in less than a minute. Then I noticed you actually kill every single raptor in the cave, something that I can't. Will give it a try and see if the extra 30-40 seconds pay off.

Btw can you tell us the number of raptors killed on average?

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

1) As other posters have noted, raptor farming isn't exactly new. It was the most common event item farm for the first year of EotN.

2) Raptor farming is slower than keg farming. IceFiftyFive is correct that it was faster to just kill the group of 36 but is incorrect about the speed. You could complete a full cycle in 60-75 seconds, depending on the number of drops. The trick was to take Shadow of Haste and Dwarven Stability on the bar, set up SoH near the res shrine after putting up SF, and cast the 2nd SF without using Swiftness or Paradox.

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito View Post
1) As other posters have noted, raptor farming isn't exactly new. It was the most common event item farm for the first year of EotN.

2) Raptor farming is slower than keg farming. IceFiftyFive is correct that it was faster to just kill the group of 36 but is incorrect about the speed. You could complete a full cycle in 60-75 seconds, depending on the number of drops. The trick was to take Shadow of Haste and Dwarven Stability on the bar, set up SoH near the res shrine after putting up SF, and cast the 2nd SF without using Swiftness or Paradox.
Damn, that's pr0, never thought about shadow of haste....

So yeah, again, Kegging was even FASTER than I calculated (about 1.7-1.8x faster than raptors)

Wish I had known about the shadow of haste thing... damn...



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Originally Posted by kupp View Post
Raptors aren't anything new. At first when I saw the 90 seconds for a whole run, I thought that was hella slow since I could already do it in less than a minute. Then I noticed you actually kill every single raptor in the cave, something that I can't. Will give it a try and see if the extra 30-40 seconds pay off.

Btw can you tell us the number of raptors killed on average? It's not 90 seconds, it's about 45-65s depending on how fast you are (including zoning and looting and whatnot)

He kills every raptor but the boss in the cave, maybe skipping a raptor every now and again if it's too far out of aggro range. (33 and the occasional 32)

Sword Hammer Axe

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

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I still find the best ways to farm Terra Tank and 55 or 600 monking. Why? Because there are many, not just 1 or 2, places where you can put it to use. All you need is maybe replace a skill in the build every now and then.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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Yay, another one

+1 vote for dedicated Raptor farming forum.

Drake Slasher

Drake Slasher

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2008

MoO

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Solo snowman dungeon HM is as good as raptors for event items. Do it with a perma sin with sliver+radiation field

Nihilim Dhiamara

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

belgium

TFW

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get mark of pain in there and u get the fastest possible raptor farm including boss, most runs are less then one min, just make sure u have sup sword rune

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by aresfrombe View Post
get mark of pain in there and u get the fastest possible raptor farm including boss, most runs are less then one min, just make sure u have sup sword rune The fact that you have to (intensively?) micro-manage a hero (not feasible for most casual players) and aggro the enemies so that the raptor you originally casted MoP on was adjacent to the Boss is not worth the time and effort. The random elite tome chance does not make up for all the extra work put into killing 1 more guy (plus the 1.75s detracted per run from casting)
If you're going for reputation points that's a whole different story, but this thread was created to compare raptors & keg framing drop-rates of Event Items exclusively =)


tl;dr - Most people shouldn't worry about killing the boss.

beaverlegions

beaverlegions

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

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ANother exciting thing about keg farming was that you could get a sin to leg survivor in 10h with it.

therangereminem

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

so wwhat happens when they make the baby raptors not drop items lol

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

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Originally Posted by therangereminem View Post
so wwhat happens when they make the baby raptors not drop items lol Then people find a way to farm angorodons =)

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

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Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

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For raptors (no boss) you can just do it in normal mode for the same drops. Any/warrior can run hundred blades and whirlwind attack. Not much of a reason to do it in hm besides tomes.

I farmed like 6 cupcake stacks with a p/w normal raptor farmer last event.

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

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Originally Posted by Coney View Post
Warrior 100 LOLz/MOP (optional para runner) raptor farming has been the best farm method for 6+ months, given event items (all 33-34 raptors dead as soon as you get there, sub 1 min runs).
Wrong.

Quote: every 8.5 raptors drop an event item, and every 4 vaettir used to drop an event item Corrected.


Hmm, surprising, I guess possible if you can ball all 60 at once. When I kegged, I was usually getting 3 minute runs, but certainly could have dropped it to 2-2:30 or so using better run skills/cons...

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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive View Post In my "experiment" doing keg-bombing actually gave me more (how is this possible?) Statistical noise, or more likely, a bad implementation of in-game fcn(rnd()) - computer number generators tend to follow patterns/strings, rather than true randomness...

Quote: Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive View Post
3stacks / 2hr from kegging

It works out to about every 8.5 raptors drop an event item, and every 4 vaettir drop an event item. Something not quite right there with that every 4th vaettir drop. When I kegged back in the day, I'd see around 6 event items a run, with high runs netting 10-12. I didn't see 15 drops per run on average, that's for sure!!!

By your own calculations, you got 3 stacks in 2 hours on a 90 second run.
2*60*60/90=80 total runs.
3*250=750 items
750/80=9.4 per run (this seems possible drop rate over 80 runs)

60/9.4=item drop every 6.4 vaettir.

EDIT:
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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive View Post
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every 8.5 raptors drop an event item, and every 4 vaettir used to drop an event item Corrected. What do you mean here? That they nerfed the drop rate? Or that you can't keg them anymore? Because I believe there's still some ele/mes build(s) that can do them, albeit slower I'd reckon...

brawler

brawler

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Join Date: Feb 2009

The Great White North

Scions Of Carver [SCAR]

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Lolwut?

Chest:
Sup Absorbtion rune

Gloves:
Maj Vigor

Pants:
Minor Vigor (??????)

Why the double vigors? That is a mistake I must of made, lol sorry
It's suppose to be a rune of vitae, my mistake.

kb2243

kb2243

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Sunny California

Omg Have You Seen Gwens Mom [MILF]

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How do are you able to get all of your items? If I get the boss group and they drop enough stuff I cant get them all before she kills me.

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

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Quote:
Hmm, surprising, I guess possible if you can ball all 60 at once. When I kegged, I was usually getting 3 minute runs, but certainly could have dropped it to 2-2:30 or so using better run skills/cons...
It's actually 60s~ with shadow of haste. Keep in mind you only ball the 36 in the right group, not the 24 in the other as well.

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Statistical noise, or more likely, a bad implementation of in-game fcn(rnd()) - computer number generators tend to follow patterns/strings, rather than true randomness...
Yeah, something learned in my high-school programming, probably didn't truely randomize anything =0

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Something not quite right there with that every 4th vaettir drop. When I kegged back in the day, I'd see around 6 event items a run, with high runs netting 10-12. I didn't see 15 drops per run on average, that's for sure!!! I got about 7-10 event item drops when I bombed the group of 36, works out to about every 5-3.6 vaettir.

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By your own calculations, you got 3 stacks in 2 hours on a 90 second run.
2*60*60/90=80 total runs.
3*250=750 items
750/80=9.4 per run (this seems possible drop rate over 80 runs)

60/9.4=item drop every 6.4 vaettir. It wasn't a 90s run, it was about 85, those extra seconds are crucial in your calculations, so that increases the total amount of runs done.

Not sure, but I'm thinking you messed up a calculation here.... gotta go do an exam though (at school on spare atm), so I'll look at this a bit more thoroughly when I get home ;p

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What do you mean here? That they nerfed the drop rate? Or that you can't keg them anymore? Because I believe there's still some ele/mes build(s) that can do them, albeit slower I'd reckon... You can't keg them, but I'm pretty sure the drop rate is the same, the E/Me build takes longer, but again, if you can maximize your units of time per event item farmed, then it is worth it to keep killing them with an E/Me rather than go Hundred Blades-farm Raptors.