Ok I got a temporary ban in-game for supposedly scamming someone. I'm not complaining or anything I just want to know if you think it was a correct ban or not. Heres the story.
I was buying ectos from a person (will not be named). It was 54e in total and so I said ill buy 23 at a time. The first trade window comes up and he puts in 46e. I close the window and tell him it's only possible to trade 100k at a time. I then open the window again and for the second time he puts 46e. Once again I close and tell him to put 23 up. The third time I put up 100k and he takes a moment and then puts 46e in again and accepts. He then opens the trade windows again and puts the last 8e up and I buy them at the price we agreed upon for separate ectos. He accepts and we go our own ways. 2 minutes later he Pm's he saying I didn't give him the rest of the money we agreed on. Being me I say "I warned you 3 times. Thanks for the cheap ectos." About an hour later I'm banned for 2 weeks.
What's your opinion.
Banned. Correct or Not
??aron
Chicken Ftw
Maybe he's an idiot, maybe he just has trouble with English (or whatever language you were trading in). Either way, you still screwed him, then you were smug about it in whisper, as if to add insult to injury. Yeah, I'd say you deserve it.
??aron
Well that was a condensed quote. He insulted me plenty of times in an estimated 20 minute conversation. The line up there was how I ended the conversation. And he was a fluent English speaker.
Hammer Drawn
Yep you deserved it. Instead of being an asshole to him, you could have just done the right thing and paid him the money. However, since you decided to be a prick about it, I'm glad you got banned.
Seraphim Angel
This is why I take a screenshot of EVERY major trade/buy for reasons like this. If you have screens send them to support to show them you tried to make a deal for the right amount several times but he insisted on giving you a great deal. Yea you prolly should have not said that at the end but you live and learn 
. and BTW 2 weeks??? I would be more mad about that seems a bit harsh to me.
. and BTW 2 weeks??? I would be more mad about that seems a bit harsh to me.
Faer
Enjoy your two weeks bro. You guys agreed on a price, and according to what you have said, there was no discussion of that price being changed at any point before you decided to not pay the full amount.
That's not to say Mr. Ecto Seller isn't an idiot, though. He should have split the stack properly.
That's not to say Mr. Ecto Seller isn't an idiot, though. He should have split the stack properly.
toord
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Originally Posted by Äaron
Being me I say "I warned you 3 times. Thanks for the cheap ectos." About an hour later I'm banned for 2 weeks.
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Peace.
EDIT: BTW, in other MMOs talking about bans is a bannable offence. At least be glad GW guru won't do that to you
Jessyi
I would not have banned OP.
It is not the OP's responsibility to protect the seller from his own foolishness. If you enter into a deal with someone, only you can protect your own interests. In this case, the seller was apparently incapable of doing the math, even after being informed several times of the error he was making.
OP is not at fault for that. If I left a pile of money unguarded in the middle of the street, I don't have much of a right to complain when somebody takes it. If I valued it as much as I claim, I'd have done a better job of protecting it.
It is not the OP's responsibility to protect the seller from his own foolishness. If you enter into a deal with someone, only you can protect your own interests. In this case, the seller was apparently incapable of doing the math, even after being informed several times of the error he was making.
OP is not at fault for that. If I left a pile of money unguarded in the middle of the street, I don't have much of a right to complain when somebody takes it. If I valued it as much as I claim, I'd have done a better job of protecting it.
DoomFrost
Should have just paid the money bro.
toord
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Originally Posted by Jessyi
I would not have banned OP.
It is not the OP's responsibility to protect the seller from his own foolishness. If you enter into a deal with someone, only you can protect your own interests. In this case, the seller was apparently incapable of doing the math, even after being informed several times of the error he was making. OP is not at fault for that. If I left a pile of money unguarded in the middle of the street, I don't have much of a right to complain when somebody takes it. If I valued it as much as I claim, I'd have done a better job of protecting it. |
Peace.
jiggles
If i ran the game i wouldn't of banned you. If you still dont get whats going on after 3 warnings then you deserve it.
Songbringer
I agree with Jessyi. Seller was a moron you didn't deserve the 2 week but you could have said o my mistake and given him the 100k once he realised he is a moron. O well. I didn't think anet did anything about scammers. Learn something new everyday. Atleast now you can get some sun on this white cheeks of yours. And I don't mean the ones by ur pretty smile...
Yichi
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I hope you are aware that if your bank does the math wrong and they put money in your account that you are fully responsible for returning that money, right?
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Back on topic: I can see to and agree with both sides of the argument. Yes while what you did was completely and utterly a rip off by not paying him the amount agreed upon, it was his fault for not dividing them properly for the trade in the first place. You both were at fault, just his stupidity allows him to play, while yours got you a temp ban...
MMSDome
Not really your fault, you warned him and he was just a moron.
The Air Revenger
no way you should of been banned he hit accept, his fault not yours.
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You were probably trading with a bot or something. When the person came back to his comp and noticed not full amount he pmed you. Don't know if using a bot efficiently is doable in GW as it probably needs to interpret server packets being sent to the client in order to distinguish the right item placed in trade.
Last time I sold z keys it was to a character who was buying at 4kea. After some time screwing around with how many zkeys I tried to trade him it seemed he could only relate to paying 4k or 8k at a time. Place 3xzkeys and get an offer of 8k, either that or the poor person can't do maths.... Not only are the above observations weird but also almost instantly after placing a zkey the 4k pops up and I mean relatively fast after item placement.
3x putting the exact same amount of ectos, furthermore excepting only 100k as payment on 40+ ectos on the third attempt is even fishier. Usually the scammers are the ones selling items, not buying. This is beyond moronic.
Last time I sold z keys it was to a character who was buying at 4kea. After some time screwing around with how many zkeys I tried to trade him it seemed he could only relate to paying 4k or 8k at a time. Place 3xzkeys and get an offer of 8k, either that or the poor person can't do maths.... Not only are the above observations weird but also almost instantly after placing a zkey the 4k pops up and I mean relatively fast after item placement.
3x putting the exact same amount of ectos, furthermore excepting only 100k as payment on 40+ ectos on the third attempt is even fishier. Usually the scammers are the ones selling items, not buying. This is beyond moronic.
Loki Seiguro
I might be the only one going out on a limb here. You don't deserve such a long ban (thats not to say you don't deserve a ban at all). His stupidity cost him money, he should learn from it. Seeing as how you tried to warn him 3 times.
toord
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Originally Posted by Yichi
because real life money in a bank = online video game right?
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Peace.
Xanatas
He was a moron for not listening to simple requests, (online scams are as old as fk, and anyone that owns over 5 ectos knows you cant trade over 100K) and you are a moron for having the idea that you would get away with it. (I would so have /report'ed you, got what you deserved.)
FengShuiDove
You did not act unfairly in any way. If you adequately warned him, then by clicking Accept he was agreeing upon the price offered on your end for the items offered on his.
There are two characteristics of a scam:
1. Deception. Putting a similar looking or similarly named item in place of something worth more. This is a purposeful attempt to scam.
2. Purpose. A "scam" is a "confidence game" or "fraudulent scheme." You were not scheming or playing some sort of game with the seller's perception of an item.
Seller was a fool, and I hope that after your ban is up you get to keep the ectos. You did nothing wrong.
There are two characteristics of a scam:
1. Deception. Putting a similar looking or similarly named item in place of something worth more. This is a purposeful attempt to scam.
2. Purpose. A "scam" is a "confidence game" or "fraudulent scheme." You were not scheming or playing some sort of game with the seller's perception of an item.
Seller was a fool, and I hope that after your ban is up you get to keep the ectos. You did nothing wrong.
toord
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Originally Posted by DoomFrost
Should have just paid the money bro.
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Evil Eye
Anet should have been banned.
sportacus
If the guy had no problem separating the ectos into 2 trades, I don't see why he would have had a problem making 3 trades. I don't think OP should have been banned. The long and the short of it is that the other guys hit 'accept' after being warned several times by his supposed scam artist.
Mordiego
close this ridiculous whining thread, plz. The OP openly admits he screwed the guy (and calls it the guy's incompetence!) then asks if the ban is legit!!! How ridiculous ppl can get?!
toord
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Originally Posted by sportacus
If the guy had no problem separating the ectos into 2 trades, I don't see why he would have had a problem making 3 trades. I don't think OP should have been banned. The long and the short of it is that the other guys hit 'accept' after being warned several times by his supposed scam artist.
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Peace.
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Originally Posted by Evil Eye
Anet should have been banned.
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toord
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Originally Posted by Mordiego
close this ridiculous whining thread, plz. The OP openly admits he screwed the guy (and calls it the guy's incompetence!) then asks if the ban is legit!!! How ridiculous ppl can get?!
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FengShuiDove
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Originally Posted by Mordiego
close this ridiculous whining thread, plz. The OP openly admits he screwed the guy (and calls it the guy's incompetence!) then asks if the ban is legit!!! How ridiculous ppl can get?!
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MisterB
It really doesn't matter what any of us think about it.
Plead your case to NCSoft support. Ultimately, the decision rests with them.
Avoid trading with dolts in the future.
Plead your case to NCSoft support. Ultimately, the decision rests with them.
Avoid trading with dolts in the future.
toord
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
Because it's a question of whether or not the behavior was in fact "screwing the guy." If it truly is a case of incompetence, then it isn't legit. If you go to the store and they give you a discount even after pointing out the price, take the discount. It's their fault if they have erroneously priced an item.
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Peace.
Kook~NBK~
IMHO, you deserved the ban. You agreed on X amount of ectos for X price. When the idiot called you on it, you should have jut paid up. You would have if he HAD split the trade to accomodate the 100K limit, right? (Another thing you could have done was refused to deal with him - there are plenty of other ecto farmers out there)
IMHO, I think 2 weeks is a bit excessive considering the circumstances. One week seems more fitting.
The problem you have, OP is that when it comes to these kinds of situations, my opinion, as well as everyone else's opinions, are meaningless.
IMHO, I think 2 weeks is a bit excessive considering the circumstances. One week seems more fitting.
The problem you have, OP is that when it comes to these kinds of situations, my opinion, as well as everyone else's opinions, are meaningless.
aoeclald
To the OP, did you try to offer him the money after the trade that he asked for and did he decline? If you did, then you don't deserve the ban and he dealt with you maliciously and reported you out of context.
In the future, when dealing with any trade OVER 100K, I would suggest as one stated earlier to take screenshots of all chat and trading as a precaution. Who cares how long it takes you to hit submit and accept as long as the trade is done in the end. It might be tedious to take the 2 minutes between each trade to do that, but it's a lot better than no play for 2 weeks. Not to mention, without adequate evidence, there's no way you could get a ban relieved in the event something like this happened.
People are like that all the time in real life. Even then, you should carry a camera with you in the car, just a small disposable from the store. Most of the times cops can discern whether or not who hit who in a car accident, but it's always good to have a safeguard. (Cops = ANet, safeguard = screenshots in this metaphor xP)
In the future, when dealing with any trade OVER 100K, I would suggest as one stated earlier to take screenshots of all chat and trading as a precaution. Who cares how long it takes you to hit submit and accept as long as the trade is done in the end. It might be tedious to take the 2 minutes between each trade to do that, but it's a lot better than no play for 2 weeks. Not to mention, without adequate evidence, there's no way you could get a ban relieved in the event something like this happened.
People are like that all the time in real life. Even then, you should carry a camera with you in the car, just a small disposable from the store. Most of the times cops can discern whether or not who hit who in a car accident, but it's always good to have a safeguard. (Cops = ANet, safeguard = screenshots in this metaphor xP)
jiggles
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Originally Posted by toord
And it's ENTIRELY up to the store to honor the discount (or their error). If the want the money or the product back, you're on the hook.
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Originally Posted by toord
And it's ENTIRELY up to the store to honor the discount (or their error). If the want the money or the product back, you're on the hook.
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Tar Ionwe
His fault, you warned him 3 times and he didn't listen. If you had put the money in the first time and took it I would be on the other guys side but since you warned him, his bad. Always should check the trade before pushing accept and this guy obviously didn't have a brain since you warned him. So yeah, you shouldn't have been banned at all.
Shayne Hawke
More his fault than yours, but you probably wouldn't have gotten a ban if you would have just ignored him after telling him what happened, instead of letting him engage you in "an estimated 20 minute conversation".
crazybanshee
Without screens, I never believe something went down EXACTLY like one of the parties says it went down. That being said, if this happened exactly that way then yea you should have been banned but 2 weeks is a bit harsh - unless this isn't the first time for you. I doubt they'd throw down a 2 week ban for this unless you have priors.
Warvic
correct ban! he wanted to give all ecto's in once and let u pay in 2 trades. u didnt give him rest of money, ur a scammer. pathetic. I done these kind of trades alot. that I pay rest in second window. I don't run away like you and then say. thnx for the cheap stuff.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by crazybanshee
Without screens, I never believe something went down EXACTLY like one of the parties says it went down. That being said, if this happened exactly that way then yea you should have been banned but 2 weeks is a bit harsh - unless this isn't the first time for you. I doubt they'd throw down a 2 week ban for this unless you have priors.
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take_me
Maybe I'm one of a few who thinks that you deserve being punished.
You and the seller agreed on a price for the ectos. No matter how stupid the seller was for giving you 46e at once, you did not hold the agreement.
You and the seller agreed on a price for the ectos. No matter how stupid the seller was for giving you 46e at once, you did not hold the agreement.