Without saying too much what's already been said, I'll just show my suggestion with a photoshopped example:
That's right, a simple party filter! No need for advanced auction houses or other complicated solutions, all you need is a simple party search filter. Any programmer should be able to do this in 2 minutes, no server code changes or additional data storage required.
Simplest Solution: Party Search Filter
Bristlebane
MagmaRed
Still end up with people spelling things wrong. Tome may seem a simple word, but I often see people say "tomb" or even "time". Then you get into items with more difficult spelling like Voltaic Spears and you get them saying "Voltic", "Voltaix", etc.
May seem like a simple thing to do, but I doubt it would work nearly as well as you expect. And since it really doesn't improve the piss poor trading options we have I'll refrain from /signing. If it could be done well, it wouldn't hurt, but I don't think it will really do much, and I doubt it can be done without serious time involved coding and testing it.
May seem like a simple thing to do, but I doubt it would work nearly as well as you expect. And since it really doesn't improve the piss poor trading options we have I'll refrain from /signing. If it could be done well, it wouldn't hurt, but I don't think it will really do much, and I doubt it can be done without serious time involved coding and testing it.
Bristlebane
Since it's highly unlikely we'll ever see a better trade system, the best bets are on the most simple ones. Sure, there might be people spelling things wrong, but they can just continue doing what they've always done. For the majority of people who just want to see specific trades, it should be simple enough.
Filter on 'wts', 'wtb', 'tome', 'dye', anything. If you suspect lots of people spell 'tome' wrong, just check 'tomb' after ;-)
This idea adds no negative impact on current system, it requires no serverside coding, and it's the simplest possible solution to this problem that with some luck.. Anet might even do it.
I would of course rather see a more advanced solution like an Auction House, but that's a waste of time since we're never gonna see that in GW1.
Filter on 'wts', 'wtb', 'tome', 'dye', anything. If you suspect lots of people spell 'tome' wrong, just check 'tomb' after ;-)
This idea adds no negative impact on current system, it requires no serverside coding, and it's the simplest possible solution to this problem that with some luck.. Anet might even do it.
I would of course rather see a more advanced solution like an Auction House, but that's a waste of time since we're never gonna see that in GW1.
the Puppeteer
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Still end up with people spelling things wrong. Tome may seem a simple word, but I often see people say "tomb" or even "time". Then you get into items with more difficult spelling like Voltaic Spears and you get them saying "Voltic", "Voltaix", etc.
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MagmaRed
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search for "volt" then
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Smurf Minions
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search for "volt" then
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This is one of those suggestions that are easy to implant and are just amazing useful to a LOT of the guild wars community.
Madeentje
You could also use a multiple filter. So you can search for different things at the same time, like: BDS; Bone Dragon Staff. I like the idea, it's actually the point of searching, no?? They should've done this 2.5 years ago, when they introduced Party Search (It was 2.5 years ago, right? Or was it 1.5 years, I'm sure it was during Wintersday though).
Bob Slydell
I think this can be a great addition along with making party search entires you can publish a lot longer as well.
Betrayer of Wind
Thats a very easy and fast thing to implement,although it'll only make it easier to find the items u want on kamadam/LA dists and groups for HA on 2x weekends...
I dont think its necessary,but wouldnt hurt either.
I dont think its necessary,but wouldnt hurt either.
Stop The Storm
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Or spear.
This is one of those suggestions that are easy to implant and are just amazing useful to a LOT of the guild wars community. |
think its a great idea, i hate scrolling through 150 wts/wtb/spam lists looking for one paticular item
Tenebrae
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I won't even try to cover all the posibilities, but consider things like Bone Dragon Staff that many people abbreviate with BDS. Yes, it can be done, but not as easily as the OP believes, and even if it was done, it would take considerable time and testing. I'd rather Anet put that time into GW2, bug fixes, skill updates, and other 'simple' things like armor clipping issues.
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ofc a BIG /SIGNED
Bristlebane
The beauty of this is that it can also be done 100% on the client side. No need to change server code, no data storage, no server processing power generating even more lag. In fact this could help reduce lag in GW:
+ With 1000's of people not having to spam WTB/WTS's because they could find things easier using a filter
+ there would be less bandwidth usage
+ less server processing, which is never a bad thing.
+ less frustrated people trying to sell or buy simple things.
+ less 'Auction House' ideas on Guru (well, maybe).
+ With 1000's of people not having to spam WTB/WTS's because they could find things easier using a filter
+ there would be less bandwidth usage
+ less server processing, which is never a bad thing.
+ less frustrated people trying to sell or buy simple things.
+ less 'Auction House' ideas on Guru (well, maybe).
disarm76
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Still end up with people spelling things wrong. Tome may seem a simple word, but I often see people say "tomb" or even "time". Then you get into items with more difficult spelling like Voltaic Spears and you get them saying "Voltic", "Voltaix", etc.
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Aljasha
/signed for obvious reasons. i like filters.
MithranArkanere
Sine it would be something the client, and NOT the server has to do, it's something completely lag free, but people don't always use the proper names so if they start writing 'leet tme' or acronyms there it goes all to waste.
So, this should be added along a way to 'tag' items in some way, so they appear in the party search regardless of language.
For example, 'tag' a stack of 10 ecto, and it's sent to the search panel as something similiar to the skill templates: [item ID;item amount].
People would see [10 Globs of Ectoplasm] in a different color, but in their own language.
That way has also the good thing of using less characters, so people would be able to put more stuff in there.
Then searching would be easier too, since when you properly write 'Chalice of Diessa' you wil always find it, and you won't have to look also for "Diesa", "Dieza", "Xalize" or the translation in all possible languages people play, such as spanish or japanese.
So, this should be added along a way to 'tag' items in some way, so they appear in the party search regardless of language.
For example, 'tag' a stack of 10 ecto, and it's sent to the search panel as something similiar to the skill templates: [item ID;item amount].
People would see [10 Globs of Ectoplasm] in a different color, but in their own language.
That way has also the good thing of using less characters, so people would be able to put more stuff in there.
Then searching would be easier too, since when you properly write 'Chalice of Diessa' you wil always find it, and you won't have to look also for "Diesa", "Dieza", "Xalize" or the translation in all possible languages people play, such as spanish or japanese.
Bristlebane
sadly 'tags' would require both client as well as server upgrades which would drastically reduce the chance of ever seeing this feature. But I'm just happy for any party search improvements as the current one is just too crude. Even MMO games 6-8 years before Guild Wars had better trade options (EQ, UO etc.)
dusanyu
heh Almost a Good idea but lets use the most nerve grating example
I am looking for an elite tome. so I filter the word "elite" and I still miss half of the options because, people insist on using "leet." Sad thing is spelling it properly is one letter longer, one letter to not look illiterate is it that hard?
I am looking for an elite tome. so I filter the word "elite" and I still miss half of the options because, people insist on using "leet." Sad thing is spelling it properly is one letter longer, one letter to not look illiterate is it that hard?
squiros
/signed
people who use 'lt t0m3s' won't get past the filter. so it is in the best interest of the seller to use standard wording, otherwise, their business will drastically suffer. people will eventually figure out that they need to comply with the standard or risk not being seen at all. if this system can both standardize people's offers and improve people's ability to spell, then it's a godsend.
people who use 'lt t0m3s' won't get past the filter. so it is in the best interest of the seller to use standard wording, otherwise, their business will drastically suffer. people will eventually figure out that they need to comply with the standard or risk not being seen at all. if this system can both standardize people's offers and improve people's ability to spell, then it's a godsend.
SimplyAmazing
/signed
People who spell stuff wrong are on their own. And usually people who mis-spell often are new to the game and over price stuff, like elite sin tomb for 10k. Mini Boon Dragon for 100+15 etc, etc.
People who spell stuff wrong are on their own. And usually people who mis-spell often are new to the game and over price stuff, like elite sin tomb for 10k. Mini Boon Dragon for 100+15 etc, etc.
glacialphoenix
Yes please. (Along with the oft-suggested lengthening party search window.)
It's true it won't be perfect, but, hey. If you know that people write 'leet tome' or 'leet tomb' or whatever instead of 'elite tome', you can run a search on it.
And if people are going to sit in Kamadan all day and shout ~*~WTS LEET NEC TOMB~*~ - well, if nobody bothers to decipher wtf you're saying, it's your problem. A filter would make things a lot easier, especially in crowded areas like Kamadan where the party trade window is constantly refreshing thanks to repeated spamming.
It's true it won't be perfect, but, hey. If you know that people write 'leet tome' or 'leet tomb' or whatever instead of 'elite tome', you can run a search on it.
And if people are going to sit in Kamadan all day and shout ~*~WTS LEET NEC TOMB~*~ - well, if nobody bothers to decipher wtf you're saying, it's your problem. A filter would make things a lot easier, especially in crowded areas like Kamadan where the party trade window is constantly refreshing thanks to repeated spamming.
Hyper.nl
/signed for this nice idea.
It should include a longer text string for in party search, to allow full lines of WTB/WTS text to be visible in there.
It should include a longer text string for in party search, to allow full lines of WTB/WTS text to be visible in there.
Bristlebane
Yeah, longer text strings would be a nice bonus as well :-)
refer
this should already been in the game.
so auto /sign
Would also be handy you could search by WTB/T/S.
so auto /sign
Would also be handy you could search by WTB/T/S.
Shasgaliel
I think it will also reduce the spamming. People would just use search and easily find what they want instead of depending on what they see in chat window and in 250 lines of adverts. Even dividing it into WTS/WTB will help.
/signed
/signed
Bristlebane
This should be so quick and easy to implement without draining any resources, I don't see why they can't implement it. 0% server load, 100% on client side only.
beatdownbob
One has to /sign, it's simple, elegant, cheap to implement and will teach people to spell correctly.
Arduin
Okay, how come you people are so sure about this being 'easy' to implement? As far as I'm aware, the trading system of Guild Wars is pretty rigid, one of the reason an Auction House is out of the question.
There also isn't any kind of search/filter system, other than separation by language, which is governed by the language district you are in. So stuff need to be invented from scratch.
There also isn't any kind of search/filter system, other than separation by language, which is governed by the language district you are in. So stuff need to be invented from scratch.
Bristlebane
From a programmer's point of view, it's extremely easy to implement. Don't compare this with an Auction House which is a whole different idea and extremely more complicated than this idea.
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Okay, how come you people are so sure about this being 'easy' to implement? As far as I'm aware, the trading system of Guild Wars is pretty rigid, one of the reason an Auction House is out of the question.
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Comparing two numbers.
Adding two numbers together.
Moving a number from one place to another.
There might be some other things they do, but off the top of my head I can't think of any. They're good at it, they are fast at it, and string filtering is so easy even gorednginegoredengine forum scripts can do it.
Bristlebane
Yes, even when I was 12 years old and just started programming (and that was over 20 years ago).. I could write a filter function in a couple of minutes.
That's the whole idea of this topic.. make a suggestion so easy that even a novice programmer could add it, without arguments like 'it's too complicated to add this feature'
That's the whole idea of this topic.. make a suggestion so easy that even a novice programmer could add it, without arguments like 'it's too complicated to add this feature'
Arduin
Okay, I guess the Devs can handle stuff that even a 12 year old could program 
Killamus
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Yes, even when I was 12 years old and just started programming (and that was over 20 years ago).. I could write a filter function in a couple of minutes.
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Although a /signed for it.
Bristlebane
Doesn't matter what language, this can all be done 100% client side, especially C++.
It's one of the basic fundamentals found in virtually any programming language: String comparison.
There's already endless of functions in GW to compare strings so it's not like they had to write something new either: Names, Friends, Guilds, Whispers, Commands etc, all of them that are more complicated than this idea.
It's one of the basic fundamentals found in virtually any programming language: String comparison.
There's already endless of functions in GW to compare strings so it's not like they had to write something new either: Names, Friends, Guilds, Whispers, Commands etc, all of them that are more complicated than this idea.
Killamus
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Doesn't matter what language, this can all be done 100% client side, especially C++.
It's one of the basic fundamentals found in virtually any programming language: String comparison. There's already endless of functions in GW to compare strings so it's not like they had to write something new either: Names, Friends, Guilds, Whispers, Commands etc, all of them that are more complicated than this idea. |
Aside from that, you missed the point.
If this is such an obvious thing to put in (And yes, it IS obvious), then why haven't they done so already? Either (A) they're lazy, or (B) there's some sort of restriction in the code they've written. For instance, maybe they weren't too smart, and made the packets that come in received in the function that also displays them, so doing something like this would require splitting the two functions. Or perhaps that the list comes all as one packet, and would be a pain to sort.
I'm not saying that's the case, hardly. Just an example.
Bristlebane
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Either (A) they're lazy, or (B) there's some sort of restriction in the code they've written.
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I would LOVE an Auction House or any of the dozen of trade improvement ideas floating around, but we're never gonna see thoose in GW1 unless Anet radically changes their priorities.
As a comparison, there are 1000's of products that are so simple and uncomplicated that people think 'hey why didn't anyone think of this before!?'
phoenixtech
Search is nice, but I would settle for a simple option to sort WTB and WTS into two separate categories. So instead of TRADE/MISSIONS/Etc..
Have: Selling/Buying/Missions/Etc..
Have: Selling/Buying/Missions/Etc..
gameshoes3003
/signed
Those who misspell or use acronyms (but not as much) will only suffer.
But this is a good suggestion.
Those who misspell or use acronyms (but not as much) will only suffer.
But this is a good suggestion.
Bristlebane
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Search is nice, but I would settle for a simple option to sort WTB and WTS into two separate categories. So instead of TRADE/MISSIONS/Etc..
Have: Selling/Buying/Missions/Etc.. |
Shasgaliel
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Doesn't matter what language, this can all be done 100% client side, especially C++.
It's one of the basic fundamentals found in virtually any programming language: String comparison. There's already endless of functions in GW to compare strings so it's not like they had to write something new either: Names, Friends, Guilds, Whispers, Commands etc, all of them that are more complicated than this idea. |
Bristlebane
But they don't have to store a single thing in their database since it would be 100% client side. 0% changes is needed on their servers or databases.
It's irrelevant to mention databases as they would be unaffected.
It's irrelevant to mention databases as they would be unaffected.