Best heroes for sin in general pve HM?
aliasxneo
I'm looking to complete EotN and NF mish's in HM with my sin and I'm looking for good hero builds to compliment my sin and help make the mish's easier. I know there are mission specifics, but I'm looking for a general pve setup for clearing stuff. Any suggestions?
AtomicMew
Just use sabway
Helix Dreadlock
SS helps, maybe some interrupt mesmers.
Also, use pvxwiki.
P.S. dont ask for builds.
Also, use pvxwiki.
P.S. dont ask for builds.
ogre_jd
My standard setup is Dunkoro (OwAT02nCVSjYjoiY6zBseIgQmAA) for healing and a bit of protection, a Wounding Strikes Melonni (OgGikys8AghuBFx94+7WeFAA) for muscle, and Olias (OAhkUsG4BGmDQrKgHQDjTLhdQAA) for general MMiness and dropping Life whenever he gets a moment. Henches, whenever possible, are the Protection Monk, an Interrupter (Lo Sha in EotN and Odurra in NF), and a pair generic muscles (ie, Devona & Talon in EotN and Devona & Gehraz in NF). Seems to work well enough...
Lord Xivor
Discordway. And on your bar, use Assassin's Promise, "You Move Like A Dwarf", Ebon vanguard Assassin Support, and "Finish Him". Make sure to take an energy set (not daggers). You will pew pew HM PvE like a warm knife through butter.
This is exactly what I am doing right now with my fairly new Assassin. I have done NM missions, HM mission, Vanquishes, Dungeons, etc all with heros/henchies with ease.
This is exactly what I am doing right now with my fairly new Assassin. I have done NM missions, HM mission, Vanquishes, Dungeons, etc all with heros/henchies with ease.
IronSheik
Assassin that uses the Discord crap? Ftl.
Use Scythe or DB Spam.
OwBi0xjMlTqwY8dw0w8Wq/kLCA <-If you have IAS Consumble, if not replace Ward with CA
OwpiMypMdu1cxcRE+Wq/sIKDCA <-Again, Pumpkin pie or something consumble, if not CA
Heroes. I recommend a rit support or RoJ Support with a 10+Smiting Strength of Honor for you
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OAOj4ohroOXTmJGzbKNHnzjkLA
An MM, as always
OANDUslfSmRVBoBKg3V1DBEVVA <-Can use Discord or the other bazillion leets
For this last I'd use another Phys buffer, A Paragon or a curse necro with MoP and Barbs
Too many builds for that to post here, but anything like that will do
Henchmen
Proph: Two Monks,1 Warrior, 1 Ele
Factions: Two Heals, 1 Melee, 1 Ele
NF: See Above Herta>WhatsherfaceCynn
EoTn: Two Monks, Zho, Herta
Note: These builds are quick throwups, I don't have my old vanqing builds saved, and I can't use caster crap, especially on a sin, you can use the old promise/Finish him if you want.
Use Scythe or DB Spam.
OwBi0xjMlTqwY8dw0w8Wq/kLCA <-If you have IAS Consumble, if not replace Ward with CA
OwpiMypMdu1cxcRE+Wq/sIKDCA <-Again, Pumpkin pie or something consumble, if not CA
Heroes. I recommend a rit support or RoJ Support with a 10+Smiting Strength of Honor for you
OwYT44nCxxnhXrHBk768AZgGBA
OAOj4ohroOXTmJGzbKNHnzjkLA
An MM, as always
OANDUslfSmRVBoBKg3V1DBEVVA <-Can use Discord or the other bazillion leets
For this last I'd use another Phys buffer, A Paragon or a curse necro with MoP and Barbs
Too many builds for that to post here, but anything like that will do
Henchmen
Proph: Two Monks,1 Warrior, 1 Ele
Factions: Two Heals, 1 Melee, 1 Ele
NF: See Above Herta>WhatsherfaceCynn
EoTn: Two Monks, Zho, Herta
Note: These builds are quick throwups, I don't have my old vanqing builds saved, and I can't use caster crap, especially on a sin, you can use the old promise/Finish him if you want.
AtomicMew
EBSoH on melee... fail. 5 attack skills... falling spider, falling lotus... fail. No SY!... fail.
You have no business calling discordway "crap"
You have no business calling discordway "crap"
Super Igor
Go as an AP caller with Discordway you can find on pvxwiki, that setup never failed me.
IronSheik
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EBSoH on melee... fail. 5 attack skills... falling spider, falling lotus... fail. No SY!... fail.
You have no business calling discordway "crap" That build was taken straight from an Urgoz Speedclear. It's meant for party support and high spike damage...and needing SY alone on a sin, Lol.
You have no business calling discordway "crap" That build was taken straight from an Urgoz Speedclear. It's meant for party support and high spike damage...and needing SY alone on a sin, Lol.
Super Igor
syphonus
SoH +Splinter Wep
Kendel
Some sort of Channeling/Smiter support build, i use Xandra because 5 triggers on Splinter and a longer Warmongers Weapon is far better than +4 damage on SoH.
An MM is just... PvE general at its most common. Plus Withering Aura is useful to have.
Either a prot monk (or leave PS on your MM) since its nice to have some control over pre-protting or some sort of shutdown be it interrupts, conditions, hexes, whatever. I've been favouring an E/Me Thunderclap Air Ele recently.
That is if you don't want to be dull and run something with the word '-way' on the end.
An MM is just... PvE general at its most common. Plus Withering Aura is useful to have.
Either a prot monk (or leave PS on your MM) since its nice to have some control over pre-protting or some sort of shutdown be it interrupts, conditions, hexes, whatever. I've been favouring an E/Me Thunderclap Air Ele recently.
That is if you don't want to be dull and run something with the word '-way' on the end.
Super Igor
gogo Discord with AP caller.
Paul Dawg
Ummm...what's wrong with EBSoH?
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EBSoH on melee... fail. 5 attack skills... falling spider, falling lotus... fail. No SY!... fail.
avilia
My sin uses the following setup:
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Player A/D, Critical Strikes: 12+1+1, Scythe Mastery: 12
[Wounding Strike][Eremite's Attack][Mystic Sweep][Asuran Scan][Critical Agility][Way of the Master][Critical Eye][Pain Inverter]
Depending on the area, I sometimes use [Aura of Holy Might] instead of PI.
Xandra Rt/any, Channeling Magic: 11+1+2, Spawning Power: 10+1, Death Magic: 10
[Signet of Spirits][Bloodsong][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Splinter Weapon][Essence Strike][Boon of Creation][Explosive Growth]
Master of Whispers N/Rt, Soul Reaping: 12+1+1, Restoration Magic: 12
[Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Protective Was Kaolai][Signet of Lost Souls][Flesh of my Flesh]
Livia N/Mo, Soul Reaping: 12+1+1, Protection Prayers: 12, Healing Prayers: 3
[Life Sheath][Spirit Bond][Shield of Absorption][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Cure Hex][Signet of Lost Souls][Resurrection Chant]
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As you can see, the heroes are very defensively specced. This is because you are the killing machine. If the heroes can keep you alive, you can kill just about anything.
As for henchmen, it really depends on the area, but usually, I take:
Mhenlo, Herta, Odurra and Gehraz in NF
Mhenlo, Herta, Cynn and Lo Sha in EoTN
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Player A/D, Critical Strikes: 12+1+1, Scythe Mastery: 12
[Wounding Strike][Eremite's Attack][Mystic Sweep][Asuran Scan][Critical Agility][Way of the Master][Critical Eye][Pain Inverter]
Depending on the area, I sometimes use [Aura of Holy Might] instead of PI.
Xandra Rt/any, Channeling Magic: 11+1+2, Spawning Power: 10+1, Death Magic: 10
[Signet of Spirits][Bloodsong][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Splinter Weapon][Essence Strike][Boon of Creation][Explosive Growth]
Master of Whispers N/Rt, Soul Reaping: 12+1+1, Restoration Magic: 12
[Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Protective Was Kaolai][Signet of Lost Souls][Flesh of my Flesh]
Livia N/Mo, Soul Reaping: 12+1+1, Protection Prayers: 12, Healing Prayers: 3
[Life Sheath][Spirit Bond][Shield of Absorption][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Cure Hex][Signet of Lost Souls][Resurrection Chant]
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As you can see, the heroes are very defensively specced. This is because you are the killing machine. If the heroes can keep you alive, you can kill just about anything.
As for henchmen, it really depends on the area, but usually, I take:
Mhenlo, Herta, Odurra and Gehraz in NF
Mhenlo, Herta, Cynn and Lo Sha in EoTN
Painbringer
I run a Necro / rit with Splinter
a monk with ROJ and Strength of Honor(have it disabled and force cast it on you)
Depends sometimes a Necro curses / Minons
or another ROJ monk / prot
With Critical Agility and Critical Defenses and if you have the prot with you protective spirit you are a ginzu knife
Happy slashing
a monk with ROJ and Strength of Honor(have it disabled and force cast it on you)
Depends sometimes a Necro curses / Minons
or another ROJ monk / prot
With Critical Agility and Critical Defenses and if you have the prot with you protective spirit you are a ginzu knife
Happy slashing
Paul Dawg
I don't often use EBSoH (I sound like that guy in the Dos Equis commercials), but when I do, I don't see these problems with it. Minions are usually right where I am, wailing away at the same target. This is PvE; you don't have to move around so much.
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Because at most, you benefit yourself and 1 other party member (assuming you take a melee hench) rather than 7-8 party members like with racway?
Sure there are minions, but they are scattered, blow up too fast and attack way too slow. At any rate, asura scan would still dominate damage wise.
Also, the fact that you're melee means you're moving around a lot more, and the chance that you'll need to step out of the ward is not small at all.
Sure there are minions, but they are scattered, blow up too fast and attack way too slow. At any rate, asura scan would still dominate damage wise.
Also, the fact that you're melee means you're moving around a lot more, and the chance that you'll need to step out of the ward is not small at all.
MagmaRed
Lots of good options, and many of them already covered here.
Monk with Smiting can be a big boost for several skills. Strength of Honor is notable for sure, but toss on Smite Condition and Smite Hex for when you face those and you turn them against your enemies.
Necro with Curses is of course a nice option. Barbs and Mark of Pain alone make it worth while, but things like Weaken Armor and Defile Defenses can also be used well.
D/N running Orders can be a nice options if you are running physical damage.
Ritualist with some weapon spells and Ancestor's Rage can be powerful, and they can also take some spirits for team support and healing as well.
Paragon is the last I'll mention, but the Command shouts are very nice when used with a Sin. Go For The Eyes, Anthem of Envy, Find Their Weakness and a few others can be a nice boost.
I'd play around with a few of them so you get the feel for how they work. Then pick the ones that you like best. However, don't forget that some quests/missions/monsters/etc. will stack up different against the same hero/team builds. Plan accordingly.
Monk with Smiting can be a big boost for several skills. Strength of Honor is notable for sure, but toss on Smite Condition and Smite Hex for when you face those and you turn them against your enemies.
Necro with Curses is of course a nice option. Barbs and Mark of Pain alone make it worth while, but things like Weaken Armor and Defile Defenses can also be used well.
D/N running Orders can be a nice options if you are running physical damage.
Ritualist with some weapon spells and Ancestor's Rage can be powerful, and they can also take some spirits for team support and healing as well.
Paragon is the last I'll mention, but the Command shouts are very nice when used with a Sin. Go For The Eyes, Anthem of Envy, Find Their Weakness and a few others can be a nice boost.
I'd play around with a few of them so you get the feel for how they work. Then pick the ones that you like best. However, don't forget that some quests/missions/monsters/etc. will stack up different against the same hero/team builds. Plan accordingly.
Paul Dawg
I usually don't use it, because 99.9% of the time I'm hero-henching, and there are other PvE-only skills I need instead. But I would never recommend that someone DROP EBSoH, because I certainly see the value of the skill. And actually, I do use it sometimes--farming in the Secret Lair of Snowmen is a good example.
Also, if you go and place the ward in the wrong place, I'm sure you can get lots of screen shots of foes clumped outside the ward.
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Also, if you go and place the ward in the wrong place, I'm sure you can get lots of screen shots of foes clumped outside the ward.
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I could post a million screenshots of foes not clumped up in ward range. The fact that you say you "usually dont use it" means you pretty much agree with me. i.e., there are better options
Super Igor
wtf, Pain Inverter > EBSoH for frontliners, simply because frontline will have to gimp itself to perform somewhat beneficial with that ward.
IronSheik
A sin can do way more than running the discord caller build.
A regular Moebius Spammer with asuran scan pumps out way more damage than a discord caller does.
Since you can't grasp the KD warder, use this
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Beats a discord caller build in damage by far, but you can just change wild strike for Fang strike and it'll fuel discord in terms of condition+hex
A regular Moebius Spammer with asuran scan pumps out way more damage than a discord caller does.
Since you can't grasp the KD warder, use this
OwBi0xjMVm5/cw0w8WCAo/UDCA
Beats a discord caller build in damage by far, but you can just change wild strike for Fang strike and it'll fuel discord in terms of condition+hex
Unreal Havoc
Just run Discordway. It's an easy team setup that is very effective, very versatile in terms of skill management for areas that may need something different, and requires very little micromanagement. Stuff will be dead before you even get near it with daggers if you use it properly.
The best part about it is it allows you to have a very wide range of choice as you only need to run Assassin's Promise, You Move Like a Dwarf, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, and Finish Him. That leaves you 4 spare skill slots and an open secondary proffession.
The best part about it is it allows you to have a very wide range of choice as you only need to run Assassin's Promise, You Move Like a Dwarf, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, and Finish Him. That leaves you 4 spare skill slots and an open secondary proffession.
FireWhale
There are several combinations of builds that can be fitted to a sin.
Channeling magic: splinter weapon is amazing due to the high hit rate of a sin. Ancestor's rage is a nice skill as well. Devoting a whole hero to channeling limits potential, though. If you take channeling further, you'll have to go into offensive spirit summoning. Those don't mesh with the assassin as much, if at all.
edit: whoops. forgot "offensive spirit summoning or lightning skills"
Curses: Barbs, mark of pain (MoP), and weakness are very important here. Spiteful spirit works. I don't favor it too much, as many mobs are extremely dead before spiteful spirit plays a meaningful role. Rip enchantment and defile defenses can be used as filler if wanted.
Death Magic: For PvE, it's pretty common to have a minion master or minion bomber. I personally enjoy the minion master more, as it helps trigger barbs, MoP, and provides a heartier meat wall. Bone fiends, shamblings, bone minions, AoTl, etc. Combine some combination with putrid bile and death nova.
Smiting: Strength of honor. 26 extra damage is nothing to laugh at. Combine with a typical RoJ smiter (smite hex/smite condition/RoJ/reversal/smiter's boon/castigation signet) and you're set. Might have to watch the energy to see how it works out.
Also take a look at restoration magic. The new spirit changes makes them pretty attractive.
ps. Recommending discord is like stating the obvious. Of course it works, but it's not really adding anything to the discussion at all.
Channeling magic: splinter weapon is amazing due to the high hit rate of a sin. Ancestor's rage is a nice skill as well. Devoting a whole hero to channeling limits potential, though. If you take channeling further, you'll have to go into offensive spirit summoning. Those don't mesh with the assassin as much, if at all.
edit: whoops. forgot "offensive spirit summoning or lightning skills"
Curses: Barbs, mark of pain (MoP), and weakness are very important here. Spiteful spirit works. I don't favor it too much, as many mobs are extremely dead before spiteful spirit plays a meaningful role. Rip enchantment and defile defenses can be used as filler if wanted.
Death Magic: For PvE, it's pretty common to have a minion master or minion bomber. I personally enjoy the minion master more, as it helps trigger barbs, MoP, and provides a heartier meat wall. Bone fiends, shamblings, bone minions, AoTl, etc. Combine some combination with putrid bile and death nova.
Smiting: Strength of honor. 26 extra damage is nothing to laugh at. Combine with a typical RoJ smiter (smite hex/smite condition/RoJ/reversal/smiter's boon/castigation signet) and you're set. Might have to watch the energy to see how it works out.
Also take a look at restoration magic. The new spirit changes makes them pretty attractive.
ps. Recommending discord is like stating the obvious. Of course it works, but it's not really adding anything to the discussion at all.
Unreal Havoc
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I'm looking for a general pve setup for clearing stuff. Any suggestions?
It's a universal setup, he can look up the base build format here and experiment with the rest of the setup himself to fine tune it to how he plays.
In a general sense there isn't really anything else that is much more superior other than Sabway as it can be adapted to suit pretty much any situation and any area, and if he wants stuff for specific areas then it doesn't become a general build anymore.
In a general sense there isn't really anything else that is much more superior other than Sabway as it can be adapted to suit pretty much any situation and any area, and if he wants stuff for specific areas then it doesn't become a general build anymore.
Super Igor
What Unreal said basically, it's either rolling and winning with Discordway or gimping yourself with random unworking shite.
P.S. Need to update PvX article again. :*
P.S. Need to update PvX article again. :*
AtomicMew
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A regular Moebius Spammer with asuran scan pumps out way more damage than a discord caller does.
So many things wrong with that sentence. 500% false.
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The fact you don't use death blossom + save yourselves as a sin player is fail.
Also, if you go and place the ward in the wrong place, I'm sure you can get lots of screen shots of foes clumped outside the ward.
Please don't tell me you think everything spawns in ward range. Le sigh... disapointing responses thus far. Improvavel
Sincerely I don't understand the infatuation people have with AP callers to fuel discord necro trios.
Aside from my necro, that generally is an ap-mop nuker, all my other chars run discordway and most have 0 hexes on them. My assassin goes as MS/DB and his 3 necroes spamming discord and rolls to everything. You don't need to frigging play an AP caller RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO! One of your necro heroes can easily spam hexes and conditions. ZenRgy
2 smiters with Smiter's boon and a curse necro. Or bring some splinter to blow up them mobs up in.
Unreal Havoc
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For example I make a great use out of Ele secondary Ward Against Melee which I can mantain permanently with AP and GoLE that allows me to have zero concern about energy.
I never tried Ele wards on the AP caller, I'll have to give that a whirl. Also mean Aegis can be dropped on my Bomber and makes the party less subsceptible to enchantment removal.
Improvavel
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The AP caller build serves to trigger discord.
If discord is triggering anyway the AP build serves no purpose.
The fact that you can deal immense damage and AoE damage with your sin and take advantage of barbs and mark of pain while casting save yourselves and knocking down the enemy target with skills like club of thousand bears is fail.
Playing melee characters as caster is STUPID.
Especially because you don't need AP to trigger discord.
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Maybe, but they can't use overpowered PvE only skills that KD-lock your target while doing damage, supplying a snare and interrupts aswell as deep wound, unblockable, and that are harder to interrupt due to having half the calling setup being shouts.
Save yourselves trumps any of the skills AP caller uses.
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If discord is triggering anyway the AP build serves no purpose.
How does it serve no purpose? AP recharges all of your skills, the offensive spike calling skills aswell as any other skills you bring as extra damage or support aswell as giving you energy return on top of an assisting damage spike and KD lock alongside Discord.Quote:
The fact is you should be killing stuff so quickly you shouldn't need Save Yourselves.
They would also require more micro-management than just calling a target and watching stuff explode, not to mention the instant recharge of all your skills on the targets death if using AP, and less frontlining with a glass cannon.
Heroes cast hexes and conditions on your target. You can apply deep wound if needed or using withering aura if spam of enfeebling blood isn't enough. An assassin or a warrior can easily trade the extra defense of the second restored for curses power due to the fact of slotting Save yourselves. Unreal Havoc
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Quote: The fact that you can deal immense damage and AoE damage with your sin and take advantage of barbs and mark of pain while casting save yourselves and knocking down the enemy target with skills like club of thousand bears is fail. This doesn't make sense. Why are you throwing out a ton of Curses when your heroes should be spamming Discord?
Quote: Playing melee characters as caster is STUPID. The Assassin isn't just a melee class. It has two whole spell casting attribute lines. Deadly Arts, and Shadow Arts. Why not take advantage of them? The beauty of this game is that there are some effective builds outside of the norm. You can run either Discordway, aimed at casters, or Sabway, aimed at physicals, on your Assassins heroes depending on whether you want to run a AP caller or Daggers. Both have already been reccomended by me, use the one that suits your style the most.
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Especially because you don't need AP to trigger discord.
AP isn't just to trigger Discord, if that was the case players would just go with Enfeebling Blood, etc, and done. Quote:
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