Title Talk

Titles are now a big part of Guild Wars. Some enjoy them, others hate them. Some are cool, others are pointless. This thread is all about titles - share which ones you find to be stupid, pointless, awesome, easy, hard, fun, etc. I'll start.

I think a pretty pointless title is Legendary Survivor. Sure it's cool to display but it's just a grind to get to so much experience without dying. And with lag spikes coming out of nowhere, you could be 1k experience off and lose all that work. To me it's just not worth it.

Another pointless title? Legendary Defender of Ascalon. Cool statue, neat to display, but pointless just the same. Yay, you death leveled to level 20 in Pre Searing and went to Post so you could put the statue in the Hall of Monuments. I had a character that was trying to get that title but it didn't get past level 9 due to the Charr. Too much work/grind for me, but if you enjoy it, go nuts.

GWEN titles? Ugh, nothing but grind. The most they do is increase the effectiveness of their PVE skills. So while not completely pointless, they can be boring due to the grind. Same goes for Luxon and Kurzick skills as well as Sunspear and Lightbringer.

All titles are grind fests in some way, but there are some that are expensive as well. Examples? Legendary Skill Hunter. However, though it's expensive, I find it to be a good title; you get access to every elite skill in the game because capping it unlocks it. This is good for using tomes and heroes. So while the title is expensive, I think it's beneficial in the long run.

Sweet Tooth, Drunkard, Party Animal, and Wisdom titles are also expensive, but they're not as beneficial. The most you get from those is a cool statue, but I still hope to get Sweet Tooth and Wisdom someday, and perhaps Party Animal. I'm selling all my alcohol because I don't drink in real life so I won't drink in the game either - might as well sell it or trade it for the titles I want.

Protector and Guardian titles aren't bad, unless you have to repeat the missions numerous times because you fail. One good thing about Prophecies missions is that you can do the mission and bonus separate. Too bad the others aren't like that.

Cartographer? Yay you uncovered every pixel of a continent and probably used Texmod to do it. But hey, at least your map isn't all blurry. I'm speaking from experience here since I finally got Legendary Cartographer. Got me to I'm Very Important.

Speaking of that title, the Kind of a Big Deal title track is okay, but it's a lot of grinding adding up to one big grind. Personally I focus on individual titles rather than what will get me to the next tier of the KOABD track. And it works.

I know there are more titles, but this is all that I can think of at the moment. So feel free to share your thoughts!

all of them are pointless

I compare my titles to Xbox Gamerscore - 100% pointless, but if I see that I'm missing an achievement it bugs me to no end. More or less the same with titles. Pretty sad, really.

Some titles can be fun to get.

But i have to admit, drunkard.. party.. sweet tooth, whats the point? Unless you have like millions to throw in the gutter its a waste. (especially a waste of time with drunkard)

In my opinion, i like the protector/guardian titles. And the ebon vanguard title track keeps me occupied inside that siege devourer

I'm all for titles in GW1 and hopefully a ton more in GW2. To me collecting em is no different than, Xbox Live achievements, or collecting all the trophies in Smash Bros. Its not necessary but fun.

I'm working on Sweet Tooth myself, but since I'm mostly using event drops and stuff from Nicholas for that, I've got a ways to go still before I'll even get the first title, let alone max it.

To be honest, I'm just too lazy to grind titles. I'll get the Protector ones just because I go for bonus/masters on everything the first time around, but I won't bother with Guardian because I hate doing missions in NM to begin with, not going to even bother with HM. Cartography...I dunno. I got to 90% in Prophecies and then sort of gave up. Maybe I'll finish that out someday. I've got the first track on Treasure Hunter, probably won't get past that. Reputation-wise, I might max Sunspear/Lightbringer but that's about it; EOTN ones I'll just get far enough for armor most likely. I've a character I made to try and get Survivor, but I never play her because I'm worried about dying from lag.

So yeah. Those people who have more than a handful of maxed titles...must have a ton of patience. Which I don't.

Just bringing up Sunspear.
I consider it to be one of the best "grindy" titles in the game. As I made my para - I jumped him to GWEN at lvl10, boxed his way to 20 because I couldn't be bothered with the slow progress. But that then meant I couldn't gain any more points in NM on the Island, so I just switched to HM. I leveled up my poor heroes, doing the Istan storyline and VQing at the same time. And before I even completed the game - the boy had VQed most of the areas where one gets SS points for successful VQs and he ended up with a maxed SS title.
So, the Sunspear title is ONLY grind if you make it.
And then I could turn the book in for his Lightbringer title.

GWEN titles on the other hand ... not pretty.
Same thing with Luxon - that title takes 10 mil points to max, yet there are only 7 or 8 areas in the WHOLE game where one can gain points in PvE.
That's just really bad design.

And you forgot to mention the only titles I ever show (I don't even show the Lightbringer or the GWEN titles to get the bonus) - Lucky/Unlucky.
They are so obscenely pointless (well outside of that stupid chest luck factor ) that they represent titles at their best - just a third line to additionally customize your guy.
Perfect titles. Well, they'd be if they didn't demand such insane time investment.

by time investment... you mean leaving gw on while you afk and do other things such as sleep?

Ah, yes upier, I did forget about Lucky/Unlucky. I agree they're pretty pointless. I don't even try for those; my points for those come from lockpicks breaking or retaining (thanks to the former I've gotten rank 2 Unlucky off that alone lol).

Never thought of doing the Sunspear title that way; I just did the common worm run. Took a while but I got some golds and lockpicks out of it. hehe

The only titles I like are the titles you can get by playing the game.

Those would be Sunspear, Lightbringer, Gladiator, Champion, Hero, Luxon/Kurzick, treasure hunter, wisdom, protector/guardian.

The rest are dumb. Though it kind of bugs me to see a half-finished title bar :\

Tender... Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you just basically doing some release therapy for your title-frustration here? You don't like titles and want more ppl to assure you that your whining about the fact they were introduced to the game is right?
don't like them=don't do them

I like most of the allegiance rank titles because they add effect to pve skills which is always fun.

Infact i think most of them have a purpose, lucky and unlucky, all good. The only ones i don't care about is the ones that have no effect such as Ascalon defender, cartographer etc..

Also Zrank, really stupid title, hard to max, totally not worth using the keys, but its a gamble and gambling is always fun, even if you do put in 100k worth of keys and get 7k worth of crap out of it.

SAme as some other posters.. If i dont have a ful set of something i am not easy.. so titles are somewhat a pain for me cause i need to complete them for fun...but even i have limitation when it comes to maxing them =)

Zaishen rank is embarrassing. It just screams "I'm a pver who wanted an emote to flash but i'm too bad at guild wars to play ha so i spent all my gold buying zkeys". Also bugs me when people complain about not having any skills unlocked then want congratulations on their zrank. Come on.

But i guess i can't complain too much cause those same silly pvers make me rich every month. So it's all good i guess.

Absolutely.
But the problem isn't those 5ish days standing in the rings. The problem is that those 5 days only come around some 3 times a year!

Z Rank is not stupid, it is awesome. And I do the title for the emotes, and not just to gamble my money away (which usually you wont get even half the money you spent back)

I think Z Rank is pretty cool, just dont show it in PvE or youll look like your just some rich bragger.

I like the ones that you advance during regular play and get gameplay benefits from:

Lucky
Unlucky
Treasure Hunter
Wisdom
Kurzick/Luxon
Lightbringer
Sunspear
Asura
Deldrimor
Ebon Vanguard
Norn

How is survivor title a grind? Sure, if you do it the degenerate ways available then it would be, but I would think that getting that level of XP without dying through playing the game would be more akin to a challenge than a grind? I got mine through a combination of gameplay and skill capping, and even that didn't feel like a grind to me.

While it's true that titles are pointless, so are computer games, if you are looking at it from that sort of perspective.

To date the only title I have that feels personally meaningful (i.e. to me) is the Legendary Master of the North which I finally got last week, after H/H'ing the whole thing in little bits and pieces since EoTN first came out. Not because it's hard or rare, but because it had a satisfying sense of completion to it, and because doing the individual steps was fun. It wouldn't have been fun if I grinded the whole thing out in a short period of time, but I took my time, and worked in it little by little as I came back to GW several times after leaving to play other games for a while.

Some titles, if done the way most do them, are grind. Others are gold sinks - sweet tooth, party animal, drunkard. Many can be bought or ran for you - protector/guardian, vanquisher.

However if you do them simply as you play through the game and just for the fun of doing them, they are far more enjoyable and mean more to you as a person because you accomplished a goal you set for yourself. That's how I look at it.

I completed lvl 3 survivor, by myself with just h/h playing through Factions and Nightfall, skill capping as I went. Everyone calls it a pointless title because people farm it through kegging, fast faction farming, and the punch out tourney. Doesn't make how I earned any less special to me and I could really care less what other people think. I know the work I put into it and I enjoyed myself every step of the way, and that's what really matters.

Yes, LDoA is a grind title, but its also about patience and preserverence. Pulling those charr repeatedly is annoying, and a lesser person will just give up and say to hell with it. Someone goal oriented is going to stick with it until they reach that goal and honestly, I think that deserving of some appreciation. Yes, you can afk lvling them while you're sleeping or at work, but pulling them and setting them up over and over is a fricking pain.

Things like lucky and unlucky don't take any skill if you just afk rings when they are around and that's really only intended to be a gold sync. But it can be fun to chest hunt while playing through the game as well; again building the title as you play, not grinding it away.

Titles have their place. It gives people goals to work for, and like all things someones going to abuse it or call it grind, but its just something nice to work towards. If you don't like them then just don't do them. To each their own style.

For those that feel the zrank emote is just pvers showing off how much money they have, how do you explain zrank on pvpers then? Showing off that they have no life? For those of us that have everything unlocked, being able to use balth on keys gives us something to use it on.

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I don't care for grind so it will be a while, if ever for some titles but the original survivor ( before there was an easy way to get it) was something to work for. Yup, died close and lagged/died but finaly got it.

LDOA is more than 'just' death leveling. Alot of folks give up because its to hard to make the pulls needed for the title. Its actually good training ( even if you don't complete it) for a newer player. I actually enjoyed clearing the shrine and as far as death leveling..meh, not hard once its set up but the setup isn't easy for some folks. A reward earned. Did it with a Necro/Mesmer. Leveled by killing Charr and wiping the shrine ( Nice Bags!) and pulled a few groups before bedtime for more exp in the morning through level 14. Then it was clear shrine, pull groups for 30-40 minutes and wait. Not grindy at all. Oh, had a second pc and account I still played on.


I do see the point in titles that give a game benefit, LB, Sunspear, EOTN race titles, Kur & Lux actualy come with a bunch of useful skills/benefits.

I personally like the title system, but I think about different than some people. They are titles, so there doesn't have to be a "point" to having them. They provide a goal, to help focus my play, working toward that goal.

I think of titles as achievements, in the spirit of how how I think they envisioned.

For cartographer, I don't use the TexMod "cheat" to accomplish it. I actually crawl the borders of every zone, and monitor my "uncovered" progress against a reference "world map" from others that have done it before. There's a defined goal, and I make progress toward that goal just by playing the game. When I'm done, I actually feel like I achieved something! (Hey, what a novel concept! )

For the consumable titles (drunkard, etc), my challenge is not to spend money, but to figure out how to get more of the consumables through the natural course of the game. Festivals and events are the natural choice. Doing the side quests and games for tokens and orbs... Sure, those things are not achievements themselves, but the sum total of all of the effort to get that max title sure is.

And survivor? For me that's a definite achievement, but only because I didn't box (or cheat) my way to the title, but played through the game naturally. So to say that I completed all of Nightfall, Factions, Prophecies, and almost all of the missions and dungeons in EotN without dying, yes, that was an achievement for me!

So for me, there is no grind in titles. I don't feel obligated or coerced into doing them. I don't resent them since I'm not forced to do them. Put another way, I'm not doing anything that I wouldn't be doing anyway, and that's having fun just by playing the game!

So I say, "bring 'em on!"

My favourtite title of all was Drunkard, why because it gave my War char more power through the norn and dwarf skills, same goes for Eotn pve skill/titles. All useful to my char so I liked doing them.
I think tltles are a neccesary part of the game, they give ppl goals. If they werent a part of the game I would have left gw a long time ago.
True grind is hard, to help with this however I just mixed things up. Swapping titles, farming, weekend events, zquests, travellers gifts farming, helping guildies. If you do that you end up accomplishing alot of the titles without even trying and its a whole lot more fun to do.
So I especially like the titles that I think are helpful and to help with the grind I mix it up. Keeps me going

titles are addicting and one of the main things holding this game together pve wise. im addicted and wish they would put a 7th tier on gwamm ;-)

To me, titles are to GW what levels are to other games. Without titles, you only need to level to 20, complete the game, and you are done. ANet needed some way to extend the life of this game without them spending resources in actually creating new content/chapter every 6 months like they were suppose to (thus the game was originally designed with a max of only level 20).

Unfortunately with the KoaBD title track only on a per character basis, people are "persuaded" to play one character at a time. I wish KoaBD would be account wide, so you have different characters having different personality based on their maxed titles. You can have a drunkard monk, a skill hunter mesmer, a Slayer warrior, and a Legendary Guardian Ranger rather than having all these maxed titles in 1 character and being able to display only 1 title at a time.

I don't even care anymore if I get them, let alone talk about them.

If i get them i get them if not fine, only hope GW2 is not a disappointment!

I kind of agree with this post. ArenaNET can add in all the titles they want! I really couldn't give two flicks about them. I don't care about my EoTN armor, or the Hall of Monuments, and I don't care about whatever this "big bonus" is going to be in GW2. But I really wish and hope that in the next game, a title would just be that: an unnecessary achievement and nothing more. When they started to force in titles just to progress through the game (e.g., Sunspear and Alliance faction; to a degree, EoTN reputation to get armors, etc.), that just boiled me to no end. I hope for the love of God they don't do it in GW2. It slows the game down to a dead stop and, IMO turns it into a chore instead of fun. If people like grinding those points, all the power to them! But don't force it down the throats of others, especially when this game was heralded to be a minimal-grind, skill > time game. x__X Keep it optional!

Um...no, where do you get that? I don't go for titles I don't like, and I'm not whining about any of them. I'm simply stating my opinion and am asking for others to do the same. I don't know where you thought I was title frustrated - if I was, I wouldn't have even tried to max anything. I enjoy the titles as it adds something else to the game, since you can only go through the game so many times before it gets boring and repetitive.

As for those of you saying the Zaishen title just shows you're rich, I have to disagree. While several people may buy their keys, there are some like myself who just use the ones they get from the XTH or Balthazar faction. I stopped after level 3, as that's all you need to get the statue in the Hall of Monuments. I'm not going to buy any more to get to rank 6 when what I get out of the chest isn't worth half as much as the keys. Any keys I win will be sold.

I completely agree. When I first got Nightfall and it said to reach a certain Sunspear rank, I was like what the...? And to be honest I'm not that fond of missions where if you get masters or experts you get more of a reward even if it's not much. Make titles an option but not required to progress, get armor, etc. Missions, if you want to do the bonus, go nuts but don't get any extra money or whatever for it - it'll just count toward a title. I'm half afraid Guild Wars 2 will be similar to WOW's reputation meter - friendly, honored, exalted, etc. just to get a certain mount, armor, etc. I hope you don't have to be a certain rank with a certain race just to be able to view items, like you have to be rank 5 to get GWEN armor. Just let us buy the armor, no grind required.

Honestly, I hated the titles when they were first introduced. I still do, in a way. The single-character focus of most of the titles pretty much ensured that I would never get anywhere near max on any of my 10 characters. The ones that are account-based are way too high for any hope of that, either.

However, I have been compelled to stick to one character since the HoM and GW2 announcements, so I figured why the hell not. So, after a year of focusing on my necro (first and most developed character anyway), I'm now at 8 max titles. 4 of those were just from playing the game (Elonian Vanq, Canthan Protector, Asuran, and Suspear), the other 4 are the skill hunter titles.

I really had a lot of fun with skill hunter, the first set of titles I actively went after. So far, it is what I consider the best and non-grindy, since you're constantly hunting after a different boss in different areas. I'm about halfway done with vanquishing Cantha and Tyria, which is also non-grindy and kinda fun. Protectors and Guardians are the titles I'm going after now, but not really for fun or for the title, just for a sense of completion.

It would be nice if there were actual rewards for max titles - nothing game-changing or anything, just some gold or weapon/armor skin unlock of some kind. Otherwise, just a title or another number added to KoBD is really lame. Oh wait, GW2, right? Would be nice to know what we're getting for this... probably crap.

I've done all the titles that don't take an ungodly amount of time or points. I'm looking at you Luxon/Kurzick, Party/Alcohol/Sweets, Treasure Hunter, Wisdom, etc.

You just need lots of patience and tiny bit of dedication to get them all. It is not hard to max all the PvE titles but you simply get burn out easily in the midst of doing so.

Uhm.. I actually quit pvp because I did not have the 4-5 hours a night which I would have needed to not only become, but stay, good at pvp. So I can see how people can assume that those that pvp don't have a life, though to be fair, they just have other priorities than the rest of us.

Don't get obsessed to have max titles, I am at 23 max atm, took me since when titles were born, so quite a while. It's not like I can't max them all, if you prepare well and know your stuff you will roll through anything in PvE, but Vanquishing is just really sucky to do all day, which is why I do one area every 1-2 days (finished Factions last year, I just love that continent, working on Proph now). All I can say is, if you're having fun while doing it, does it matter how you accomplish it? A game is made for people to enjoy it, and if titles give people a goal, all the better. And for the people saying Zaishen rank is for pve scrubs, do you honestly think everyone sells the keys, or even buys the title? I am currently r6 Zaishen, and I didn't buy a single key, I just love PvP and get a lot of faction. Still, it should have been a gladiator title based emote, sigh.

There are currently 44 seperate title tracks in the game, and while many are pointless they provide something to do in GW other than sit around and talk all day. Below are the list of titles I find helpful.

-Wisdom
While expensive each rank increase the % chance of retaining an item after salavge, except for expensive items I rarely bother using perfect kits as my max treasure + wisdom provide a high enough chance of retainment

-Teasure
For the same reason as wisdom

-Lucky
This title may seem like alot of grind but in essence is done mostly AFK in rings, each rank increases the chance or retaining a lockpick from use.

-Sunspear & Lightbringer
Maybe some of the ultimate grind in the game, but what Imbagon would be complete without TntF, and why would people require max rank Lightbringer in DoA if it was just a pointless grind?

-Kurzick/Luxon
Since the introduction to DTSC and other FFF's these titles have become much less of a grind, the skills associated with these titles make them well worth getting, SY, SoL to name a few.

-EotN Titles
I hate to say it but Ursan made everyone "Pro" And thanks to skills like PI,EBSoH,Finish Him, YMLaD, list continues... PvE is a joke, so don't tell me these titles are pointess

The worst titles in the game are listed below

-Commander
Far too easy to exploit, and spamming 1-2-3-4-5-6 on your assassin bar doesn't make you pro

-Cartography
Huge waste of time for little to no benefit, 95% of the people who go for this title use Texmod anyway. What's the fun in running around scrapping edges of maps?

-The "Money" titles, Sweet/Party/Ale
1. I don't get why they are called money titles, just look at Z Rank, Wisdom,Treasure, Luck/Unluck, Skill Hunter (If Tomed), and heck Hero if you buy fame lolz
2. Waste of money
3. They take no effort to get, some might argue clicking 10,000 times is harder than earning 1000k for sweet tooth.

Some titles are undervalued...

Glad Rank, everyone seems to say Glad rank is worthless because it can be farmed in RA. I disagree while you can consistently get 10 wins in Inter RA you will be making a max of 12 glads an hour. Assuming you win every match and make it to 10 then restart @ 15 min per 10 win. The only people with g8/9+ are those who play in Euro TA or Inter TA. Playing a monk in TA is alot alot harder than Channel tanking in HA.

Zaishen Rank, most seem to think people with Z rank are "noobs" because the title can be bought, but hello?? What title can't (besides like gamer) The only people with high z rank are Pro Traders, or Pro HA/GvG'ers. Noobs don't have high z rank. There are plently more "Ebay Noobs" with bought r9-12 accounts and bought polar bears than there are with high z rank.

LDoA
Just cause you gotta be epic pro to not randomly DC while death leveling, I gave up after 3 hours.

Yeah, that's just you.

I don't particularly care either way about titles, it's up to the player if they want to grind them - except the ones with impacts on gameplay, which I think are retarded. This game doesn't need grind-4-power nonsense.

play the game for fun titles will happen over time without uber grind


but if you like uber grinding by all means go for it


your game time whatever floats your boat is fine

Well look at it this way, if there weren't any titles a lot of people would not be playing anymore, a lot of people would not be running dungeons, missions, quests etc and basically the game would die.

I like titles which indicate a level of experience and basic accomplishment at the game.

This means:

Leg. Guardian
Leg. Vanquisher
Leg. Cartographer
Leg. Master of the North

Even if it doesnt mean you are god of GW if you have these titles, it means you know whats going on.

My main has 32 titles maxed and 3 other near completion (no survivor or LDoA for her because of pre-Factions creation so 35 will be the max of maxed titles for me). I don't hold titles in high value as such, they are just a convenient progress indicator and something that can be worked on leisurely whenever there's nothing better going on and it feels like fun at that moment.

The entire point of money titles is to show that you're not short on spare change and can just waste some millions.

To those who say that titles are a measure of tenacity ... I believe that there are time honored IRL traditions like sitting naked on an anthill to display that to others but it doesn't necessarily mean that it is fun (to the one displaying, in any case).

titles add nothing to the game but they give you something to do when your bored.26 maxed only tedious ones left so ive stoped.Wheres the fun in the drunk/party title or the repetitive grind of kurzik/luxon,it was boring enough grinding eye of north titles to get leg master of north