I dont PvP much but I have never ever considered using Barage in it. Its just way too inferior to probably half a dozen others.
As for PvE? I find it meh at best. You rarely hit the 6 foes so its a bit of a waste. If i want AoE then Ill take splinter/Volley and a decent elite instead.
Also Poison tip signet is a complete waste of a skill slot on a barrage build. Poison on 1 foe for 8-10 secs? I think you could find a few dozen other skills ,without looking too hard, that would make more sense than that one .
/Unsigned , doesnt need a nerf
Barrage
Aldric
GODh
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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock
Also, I don't want to nerf it at all, just minorly change it.
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If not and you dont want to "spam" it then just use it less (just wait a few seconds before using it again)...
/notsigned
Betrayer of Wind
Barrage is fine the way it is,it only deals high dmg if:
1.you have a tank
2.lots of buffs
if any of those conditions fail,barrage sux big time and you're limited to not using preparations,so whats ur point of nerfing a completely balanced skill?
1.you have a tank
2.lots of buffs
if any of those conditions fail,barrage sux big time and you're limited to not using preparations,so whats ur point of nerfing a completely balanced skill?
spirit of defeat
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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock
Exactly, so why not change it, if it didn't matter?
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Scary
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Now, I've been thinking...Barrage needs a minor nerf. Not a major one, but enough to reduce the recharge time.
Nothing that affects damage in a big way, just make the recharge 4 or 5 seconds. I understand it's elite, but it's over-powered. 5 energy, 1 recharge, and hits 6 adjacent foes for +17 damage (on top of bow damage, conjures, weapon spells, vamp mods, ect). I know it does remove preperations...big woop. You can still use poison tip signet and the above listed add-ons. So, all I purpose (pardon spelling) is to make the recharge 5 instead of 1. If it gets interrupted, it doesn't do anything, and it's the biggest used marksmanship skill for almost any NPC, and humans too. I know some may say "fine as is" but it's also very annoying trying to use it at 33% IAS and it cancels (spelling again) out the current auto-attack, thus making it wait a bit more. If you make it 5 seconds, I believe it will remove that frustration, (minor, but still annoying). I know it isn't a major problem, but they could just throw it in at the last minute after all the big stuff has been fixed. Thoughts/ideas? Bottom line: I don't want to kill it, or hurt it, just make the recharge 5 seconds, thus not giving it the uber-elite aura. |
I was more thinking of make it a 100% chance triple headshot
Redvex
new barrage.
Don't Remove preparation
Remove Weapon Spells and Enchantment
Don't Remove preparation
Remove Weapon Spells and Enchantment
MetalMan
PvE - Theres more overpowered things to worry about than Barrage, a skill that is pretty well balanced.
PvP - Barrage is bad.
/thread?
PvP - Barrage is bad.
/thread?
Div
OP clearly is a PvPer. Only PvP people come here and believe they can make such unreasonable demands to nerf our favorite PvE skills.
Can we stop nerfing my poor PvE skills just because people from HA or GvG can't learn to counter builds like barrage?
Can we stop nerfing my poor PvE skills just because people from HA or GvG can't learn to counter builds like barrage?
dusanyu
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OP clearly is a PvPer. Only PvP people come here and believe they can make such unreasonable demands to nerf our favorite PvE skills.
Can we stop nerfing my poor PvE skills just because people from HA or GvG can't learn to counter builds like barrage? |
lrn to troll better
Barrage is Fine works well in PvE and Gives us a reason to laugh when we see it being used in PvP
Short
Are you an idiot? Barrage is the only way for a ranger to be useful in any high-end pve and they're in next to none of that. /notsigned.
Mad Lord of Milk
Dude, leave Barrage as is. 5 Second Recharge for a An elite skill to do +15 dmg to adj foes? Come on. It's not overpowered or underpowered, it's fine the way it is as a PvE tool.
xDusT II
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lrn to troll better
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EinherjarMx
yeah nerf it, make it like
10e 2s 8r, you shoot 6 arrows, for each foe you hit you deal 50%...15% less damage.
there, i fixeded it =)
I think is well balanced now whatcha think?
in all seriousness, nerfing barrage is just plain stupid, if anything it needs a buff. Unless you only use tank and spank, theres no way you can hit 6 foes all the time.
/notsigned
10e 2s 8r, you shoot 6 arrows, for each foe you hit you deal 50%...15% less damage.
there, i fixeded it =)
I think is well balanced now whatcha think?
in all seriousness, nerfing barrage is just plain stupid, if anything it needs a buff. Unless you only use tank and spank, theres no way you can hit 6 foes all the time.
/notsigned
Stranger The Ranger
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Barrage is the only way for a ranger to be useful in any high-end pve and they're in next to none of that.
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/notsigned btw, Barrage is an overrated piece of crap to me... but just keep it the way it is
Unreal Havoc
I am so glad this guy isn't in charge of skill balance.
/notsigned
/notsigned
Ankas
Wow how dumb can a person be. Ranger already is nerfed in PvP as is only thing they r used for is intrupring witch mesmers can do lot better job of and some snaring. R spike is the only build that rangers can truly shine in. Any way shill is 2 sec recharge not 1. Skill is blockable,Evadable, and obstractable. Blind condition also afected by it. Poisen tip sig only affects 1 arrow out of 6 form barge if u have balled up enemys. I dont know what u have against rangers or barge but only place ive actualy seen it being used in pvp id jade quary on altars and taks ALOT MORE then 1 hit to kill anything unlike RoJ or Ne/A. IF anything needs a nerf its Shadow Form. I honesly think Nerfing Read The Wind in PvP is dumb like i said ranger already has tough times interupting 3/4 spells or eaven 1 sec spells if ur far enough. due to flight arow and 1/4 activation time. Ur the reason I prefer playing with Heros and not noobs like you that do not understand how skills work what so ever. I am shore ur the person that uses Restfull Breze on HB monk hero.
Reverend Dr
^^ I have no idea what you attempted to say.
Barrage is terrible in PvP and PvE. For some reason people are hung up on the idea of push button, deal damage. Not every class works that way. But because the ranger has a bow, it must push button and deal damage. Yes, barrage is the "best" way to push the same button over and over to try to DPS, but there are far better ways to actually rip apart enemy mobs than hitting that one button over and over.
Barrage is terrible in PvP and PvE. For some reason people are hung up on the idea of push button, deal damage. Not every class works that way. But because the ranger has a bow, it must push button and deal damage. Yes, barrage is the "best" way to push the same button over and over to try to DPS, but there are far better ways to actually rip apart enemy mobs than hitting that one button over and over.
Wish Swiftdeath
I reckon this should get a buff in PvE.
Preparations not removed and unblockable?
Before you respond: Shadowform
Preparations not removed and unblockable?
Before you respond: Shadowform
Marverick
Barrage: Skill. For 5...17..20 seconds, you attack 500% faster and your arrows strike all foes in the area of your target.
^^ That would be better
^^ That would be better
Regulus X
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Barrage: Skill. For 5...17..20 seconds, you attack 500% faster and your arrows strike all foes in the area of your target.
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WhiteAsIce
Why do I get the feeling I've seen this before?
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Oh that's right, this is the same person complaining about why Mark of Pain should be nerfed because of Barbs. I'm gonna use the similar argument - how many consecutive Barrages would one be able to land on a clump of foes? Hit Barrage before aggroing, and they disperse. You'd need a good tank to keep the foes clumped together for Barrage to truly shine, just like with MoP. Don't keep them together, and Barrage loses its focus.
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Oh that's right, this is the same person complaining about why Mark of Pain should be nerfed because of Barbs. I'm gonna use the similar argument - how many consecutive Barrages would one be able to land on a clump of foes? Hit Barrage before aggroing, and they disperse. You'd need a good tank to keep the foes clumped together for Barrage to truly shine, just like with MoP. Don't keep them together, and Barrage loses its focus.
rick1027
i got an idea lets nerf everything so the caster wand does more damage so everyone will run around with swords
Regulus X
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i got an idea lets nerf everything so the caster wand does more damage so everyone will run around with swords
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increase energy cost of all skills in-game to 25 and recharge to 90 seconds,
decrease players movement speed by 50%,
make melee attack 75% slowers and miss 50% of the time,
casters take twice as long to cast spells and are easily interruptible,
all spells, attacks & skills do 1 damage,
make all /reports induce automated permabans,
and change /report to /qq for abbreviation purposes.
It's make gaming so much more retarded for those whose intellects are highly compatible to the qualities listed above.
dilan155
first things first, we established it doesn't matter in pvp because no one uses it, secondly if its pve why care, its not like it can be used for farming or anything( in crazy ways like UWSC i mean not casual farming) so its not harming you. As said it doesn't hit all enemies anyway. and last of all even in pve it doesn't get much use and if you remove the only good thing about it its just gonna go into that bin of useless skills.
thetechx
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I don't use it in PvP or anything, it's just really dumb to have it overpowered. 6 targets, 5 energy, 1 recharge?!
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its not over powered.
Dryndalyn
As others have illustrated here, Barrage is fine and could even use a buff.
/not signed
/not signed
Droven
Well Rangers need a buff imo, not just Barrage
/not signed
/not signed
Tenebrae
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As others have illustrated here, Barrage is fine and could even use a buff.
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/Notsigned
shefdawg
/not signed
Rangers already got screwed pretty good with all the stances and QZ, EW nerf quite a while back if you all dont rem that. I think this is 110% a dumb idea, besides barage sucks.
My ranger would annoy you far more than a barrage ranger, ignite (14 wilderness) splinter (8 channeling) with practice stance, poisoned tip, and 2 interupts, wink wink how does that sound for annoying.
Rangers already got screwed pretty good with all the stances and QZ, EW nerf quite a while back if you all dont rem that. I think this is 110% a dumb idea, besides barage sucks.
My ranger would annoy you far more than a barrage ranger, ignite (14 wilderness) splinter (8 channeling) with practice stance, poisoned tip, and 2 interupts, wink wink how does that sound for annoying.
Ugh
A nerf to Barrage is a great idea. Rangers have had it too good for too long.
It dominates PvP. If a group of 7 sits in a clump for 5 minutes, a Barrage ranger will be able to kill all of them at the same time!!
And, in PvE, a team of Rangers can speed clear UW using only Barrage.
This skill really needs a nerf; it's ruining the game. And while we're at it, nerf IA and Volley as well.
It dominates PvP. If a group of 7 sits in a clump for 5 minutes, a Barrage ranger will be able to kill all of them at the same time!!
And, in PvE, a team of Rangers can speed clear UW using only Barrage.
This skill really needs a nerf; it's ruining the game. And while we're at it, nerf IA and Volley as well.
Helix Dreadlock
==request lock==
i've had enough of this bullshit
i've had enough of this bullshit
Lishy
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i've had enough of this bullshit
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Do you admit you're a troll yet? Or just have a horrible concept on skill balance for PvE?