Cantha and Elona in GW2

Some people are saying that they think that Elona and Cantha will be cut off from the game in GW2 because of what the movement of the world says; this is not true!
What would the point be of cutting off the 2 continents from GW2? i know it says that they are cut off but it is obvious that in GW2 that we will be able to get back there. the stories about palawa joko and the undead dragon of orr are clearly NOT just stories that explain why we ant go back there.
Tyria isnt really the main continent, the others are equally as important!
Yeah i know that we will probably start off on tyria(continent) rather than the other 2.
I saw this on the movement(of the world(just incase youre too stupid to understand what i mean))
This undead armada has cut off all human contact with Cantha, and the dragon’s undead army wages war even now along the northern Elonian border, preventing all in Tyria from departing for other lands...for now.

I see a recurring theme here.

Cantha and Elona WILL be cut off from the game in GW2. The stories of the Undead Dragon cutting them off were to show that. You wont be able to get to them just like how you couldnt get to them at the start of GW1. But while they may be cut off for the story of GW2 to begin with , there will no doubt be expansions that open up the other continents one by one.

What do you think the storyline of guild wars 2 will be about, huh?! they are the main storyline of guild wars 2 they are evil! in gw2 we will be fighting them we will go to orr fight the draconians and somehow defeat the undead dragon! a huge undead dragon rising from the ruins of orr creating undead slaves and cutting of portions of the world is CLEARLY a huge point in the game not just a back story. what else do you think the pve will be about in gw2? lots of things but mainly the dragons! as i said you probably will be starting in tryia but i SERIOUSLY doubt expansions will open them up for exploration.
and what do you mean' i see a recurring theme here???

Nothing says the Ancient Dragons are evil. Just to remind you that. We don't know how we will fight them, so you can't say we will maybe the game is just about surviving their attack. Besides, that could just be the Tyrian story - nothing shows them in Cantha and Elona (though I find that idiotic personally, so many large powerful dragons in such a small landmass *at least to them*).

And by recurring theme, I see two themes coming back. The Cantha/Elona thing has been brought up before, and you're making threads with little point to them.

Closing as there is little to discuss. Cantha and Elona will be cut off by all information we have. Though it is possible that will be changed in game or after the first GW2.

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Just to respond to what may be just how we interpret things. Quote below.


Nothing says the Ancient Dragons are evil. Just to remind you that. We don't know how we will fight them, so you can't say we will maybe the game is just about surviving their attack. Besides, that could just be the Tyrian story - nothing shows them in Cantha and Elona (though I find that idiotic personally, so many large powerful dragons in such a small landmass *at least to them*).

And by recurring theme, I see two themes coming back. The Cantha/Elona thing has been brought up before, and you're making threads with little point to them.

Closing as there is little to discuss. Cantha and Elona will be cut off by all information we have. Though it is possible that will be changed in game or after the first GW2.

To reply:

Yes, Cantha and Elonia will be cut off...by...? Bad guys! I think that opens a whole new area to re-explore and take back. It just wouldn't make sense to dump them cause bad guys are just to ...well, bad for a mere mortal to have any chance. I sense a challenge.

Cantha doesn't have any bad guys, its just at the time the emperor does not want any outsiders in Cantha.

Your reply is just what I said, except you deem Joko and the Dragon Empire to be villians in GW2. Going to merge this thread into the close, and since there are thoughts, re-open, despite the fact being that initially the continents will be closed off, but still existent and may be re-opened in later games, which is what I said.

Cantha is closed off because it is WWII Germany, and Elona is closed off because it is over run with undead.

Why do you guys think we will be in Tyria?
Or at least the part of Tyria we know?
Well,I think they will try to add some new areas in Tyria instead of Cantha and Elona(which are maybe not cut off because of the portals).Well its likely we will discover the southern-non destroyed parts of Ascalon and the North-western parts of Tyria.
Also the thing about Cantha being cut off because of the Empreror isnt realy meaning anything,as much as I know they never were fond of foreginers....except when they are about to get their heads lost.
Also Elona being filled with undead isnt meaning anything,even the opposite,dont heroes go where trouble is?
Ascalon is also under Undead and we still will probably be there with out chars destroying some bones.
*twisted*

Winnies, I deleted your post just now due to inappropriate behavior. I may be a little trigger happy on threads that have little point to them (seriously, you're going against canon lore here...) but I re-opened your thread due to it having some discussion desired to it. So no need to go insulting me.

If you do, you can and most likely will be banned for inappropriate behavior. About your old threads, I told you that if you want them re-opened, PM me *or heck, start a new thread* with information that would contribute to discussion. You have yet to do that, and you complain that I close your thread(s). And no, theories that go against canon lore do not count, as you'd just get your theory poked full of holes by myself and others (and much more seriously if you were at GWO).

Edit:
Four words: Movement of the World. We know what races we can play as and they all live in Tyria, according to the Movement, they have not moved out of the continent.

And why Cantha and Elona are cut off, is not because of just because of the Empire/Joko, but also because of the Undead Dragon in Orr and the Strait of Malchor (blocks access to Cantha) and the Desert Dragon north of Joko's forces (which blocks access to Elona).

What are you talking about?

I never said the Dragons wouldnt be a huge plot in GW2. I said that Cantha and Elona will not be open at the start and will more than likely be included in expansions. Its stupid to think ArenaNet would include all 3 continents in the base game which has no monthly fees.

Expansions are the way to go which is why Anet told us very openly in the Movement of the World that there are problems stopping people from getting to Cantha and Elona so someone needs to take care of those problems before even thinking about leaving Tyria.

Cantha has been cut off but was last seen throwing non humans out, under the rule of a very dangerous sounding Emperor. This emperor took out two of the factions that had been fighting non stop for over 300 or so years in a land that had been ravaged by a magical wind.

Elona is now under the rule of an Undead Lord who converted most members of the lands best fighters into a dark order. A group of agents who have been protecting Elona for years are trying their best against this undead lord while spreading news of the dragons. And its cut off by undead.

Thats just some of the base story of Cantha and Elona in GW2 and its already expansion worthy.

Because GW2 takes place in Tyria?

im just annoyed because some people seem to have the idea that cantha and elona will either be cut off or have a small part in the game.
btw i didnt think about releasing them into expansions cos of money i forgot. but but i seriously doubt that the main game would only take part in tyria.

Rather than creating all sorts of hypothesis on what we dont know, or only know very little, why not just wait until GW2 comes out, discover, and be happy with what we get, rather than grumbling about what we didnt get?

Im sure the people behind the scenes know what they are doing, and I believe they will do a good job at it.

i doubt that they will need to make such a large part of the game as an expansion.
it just seems like you just feel that cantha and elona and there storylines are small and more of a side story, which IS NOT TRUE. tyria is a world not just a continent, anet know that and they are not going to practicaly forget about the importancy of cantha and elona!

Dorny, as for the first thing, that would be boring and i like to explain to people why i am right and they are wrong and dumb, muhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah, ect!!!!
as for the secod thing, you are right, they know what they are doing and they know that cantha and elona are important and shallnever be forgotten!!!

Dorny, I agree. Speculation on GW2 lore is... spiffy at best. It's not something a serious thoughtful debate can be done (which is why I've been trigger happy with Winnies' threads >_>)

And Winnies, there is a high likeliness that there will be even more continents as well as Cantha and Elona. Or they do drop Cantha and Elona in favor for other continents for a long while. Also, importancy of Cantha and Elona? Then what about the importancy of the continent of Utopia? What about the importancy of the Rift and Mists? Of Underworld, Hall of Heroes, of the Fissure of Woe. Of the Realm of Torment?

Getting my point? If not, it is this: The game is much much more bigger than three continents. I will not be surprised if they are removed/shortened in favor of previously unexplored lands.

Afterall, only to non-humans would the Empire of the Dragon be seen as evil. And Joko has been seen as a favored guy, most players would probably not like fighting him. :P

And Free Runner, the Kurzicks/Luxons have been fighting since the second emperor, which would be about 2,000 years. Much longer than 300. (For Winnies who has been questioning me, that info is gained from An Empire Divided which can be found in the Archives *4th post, iirc*)

And thats the next thing,we dont know for sure are they evil,so they may even grant as access to there?
Also,being evil also isnt realy a black and white story in GW,its more like the guys in power are good,and the guys seeking for power are evil.(except the Demons,that fortune women who corrupted Shiro(but the was actualy good before he met here))
I also its possible there will be friendly and enemy dragons,because we all know Primordus will be our enemy.The same thing was with the Dwarfs.(Stone Summit and Deldrimor dwarfs)
Dredge,Centaur also are unknown.
The dragons are the classical evil/bad,its just that we may have the same interest and cant live with each other.

You have no right close all threads with GW2 ideas!!!!
I know that there will be more continents and areas but arenanet wont take them out or shorten them, i doubt that they would just go' right, weve seen cantha and elona, lets make a story to make them inaccessable or just shrink them so that we can shove new stuff in'
i want new continents, i want new areas, but i DONT WANT cantha and elona to be romoved or shrunk!

I dont think your reading anything i say. Only zoning to bits and pieces and spelling out things that arent there. Cantha and Elona are important. They make up 2/3 of the current GW world. But the continent of Tyria is more important than them in terms of which to start off on. It served as the base from which guild wars built its story off.

Look here: Anet are making a brand new guild wars set in the same world. They have to begin the story on a continent. Between Tyria, Cantha and Elona the most logical one to start off on would be Tyria which is the foundation of the GW world (and most of the important lore emits from Tyria). Its doubtful Anet would release GW2 with all continents in place. That would be a huge game - it took 3 years to complete the world of Guild Wars and GW2 is no doubt going to be bigger.

So the most logical thing to do would be expand the storys in expansions - like how they revealed Cantha and Elona is GW1 only without the stand alone parts. That gets them money, means they dont have to create an overflowing game plus it doesnt throw all the stories at us at once. But they need a reason for us not getting to Cantha and Elona right off the bat. So they "closed" them off with hints at how if the problems (Undead Dragon, Sea Dragon) were dealt with there would be nothing stopping us getting to the other continents and exploring them.

So to put it in short - Cantha and Elona are not getting forgotten. They wont be small side stories. It will no doubt be something like the campaign system, albiet adapted to GW2. Reintroduce us to the continents piece by piece.

I never said I did. I said that I find threads speculating on GW2 pointless at this point. Almost every angle has been thought of already on what we know. Any old lorist will say that. And you have no right to say anet will do something or won't do something, nor do you have the right to insult me.

Free Runner is right, you only take parts you want to read and putting in what you want others to "say". Which is highly evident in your PMs to me.

Anyways, my laptop battery is dying. Behave yourself children.

I cant remember but didnt they stop at one point and then carry on after the emperors death? (which caused the second one) because i was only counting from the emperors death to around when the new emperor appears. Though i'm not sure if i took the "they stopped" bit out of that Factiosn guide i love to hate.

The stopping was by Shiro's doing and lasted less than a decade really. Then they started up again after Shiro's betrayal and the death of their hero which they blamed the other faction as the cause.

Anyways...
I THINK what he is saying is that he wants Elona and Factions in GW2, which is not lore, if anything it belongs in sardelac and even there suggestions for GW2 have there own thread, please just close his threads....

Cantha and Elona have had a substantial part in the article, and im assuming Anet wont make the mistake to not include them in GW2, at least as expansions.

Not bringing anything new to the point, I know. Oh well...

@Kerwyn Nasilan: Actually, what he's been saying is that they will be in GW2 - no matter what. So to speak. Meaning he is saying it's an undenyable fact. And it is true it is not lore, it would be more proper in Riverside. I think I will move it over there....

Either way, there isn't much to discuss as, well, the point has been made several times before and, in fact, there really isn't any denying that they will most likely have a role as expansions (though Winnies seems to want them in the initial game).

But yeah... it's gone off of lore now, moving to Riverside.

free runner, YOURE NOT READING ANYTHING I SAY, not the other way around!
also you lot are saying that we dont know the ancient dragons are evil, true...but...whats more likely? huge ancient not-sentient(unlike glint, whos good) with "untfathomable magic"(from the wiki) also on ogdens benidection it says "And the greatest threat of all has yet to come" the cutscene shows primordus opening its eye in a scary way. im gonna go look up the vid on youtube.
kONIG TEL FREE RUNNER WHAT I WAS SAYING

"Other dragons also resurfaced during the intervening centuries; one rose about the sunken holy city of Arah in the ruined kingdom of Orr, and severed the sea route between Kryta and Cantha; another arose to the south of the Crystal Desert, cutting off the link to Elona"

"In Cantha, the successor of emperor Kisu defeated the Kurzick and Luxon factions and reunited Cantha under one banner. Cantha then became much more isolationist; all non-human races were pushed out and the borders fortified. With the ancient dragon's undead corsair fleet disrupting travel, there has been no contact with mainland Canthans for a generation.

In Elona, Palawa Joko successfully rebuilds his undead army and lays siege to Elona. Vabbi is all but destroyed, its former splendor ruined by a famine caused by Joko diverting the river Elon. The Sunspears are broken by Joko's armies. The land bridge between Elona and the Crystal Desert is blocked by Joko's minions and the dragon, and the only news that slips through is carried by the Order of Whispers, who are now spread over all of Tyria. "

wiki

@everyone but Winnie. Stop using big/intelligent words. He just skips them.

Winnie, what they're trying to tell you is that even though the Dragons might be fighting us, they might think they are fighting us for a good purpose. So, they might not be evil, but yes, we are still fighting them, since they are trying to control the world. Get it?

Second, you know how Guild Wars did not come as one game altogether when it first came out? Well each part of the game is called a campaign. Since Arenanet is trying to do the best job they can, they are gonna split the game up into three campaigns (or expansions), starting with the dragons in tyria, and then moving on to the other places. So, first you buy one, and get the Tyrian story. Then, a few months (or however long) later, you can buy the second expansion, which might be cantha, or elona.

The reason we think this is because the dragons are very close to controlling tyria in GW2, so they probably wouldn't let anyone leave to go to any other place. But after we defeat/do whatever we do to the dragons in the first campaign of GW2, we will likely be able to go to the other places.

Please read this through, Winnie, I spent 3 whole mins writing it. Hopefully this clears up any misunderstandings. PM me if you have a question.

My expectation is that GW 2 will be played in the prophecies areas only initially.

However, the storyline will have the heroes fight the dragons or at least act against them (foil plots, etc.).

I fully expect that part of that will be achieving enough progress to allow travel to Cantha and Elona, which will open up for eventual expansions.

There obviously still there, they're just cut off from us for now. It mentions access points are just guarded or something. It will be difficult to get there and will always leave it open for more expansion packs.

I couldn't immagine us having all 3 areas on release , too spoilt i think

Did the Searing and the destruction of Orr cause the dragons to awaken?

The way I read the Movement of the World article made it pretty clear that Elona and Tyria will be in GW2, with Elona being a more elite/end game area (since that is full of undead) and Tyria being the main setting of the game (since that is where all the main races homelands are and would be the main location for any sort of race war).
Cantha looks to be cut off.

Now... why would somebody do that? For the most obvious reason, A.net would save Cantha for the first or maybe second GW2 expansion/chapter.

The way the lore describes it seems to indicate they are already in the process of awakening during GW1, and that their cycle of sleeping and awakening stretches back into prehistory.

Reading some of the posts (the intelligent/intelligible ones?) makes me think that we may be overanalyzing the GW2 information that we have so far, in particular the Movement of the World one. There are 3 books coming, I bet Anet will take a clean slate on a lot of stories and start afresh. No doubt that there'll be plenty of connections to GW1 lore, but my bet is on a brand new setting which we can't really see from the bits we have so far.

As Konig said, talking GW2 is pure speculation leading to expectations grounded on flimsy information. It's like discussing the reasons why Windows 7 (or Obama) will be or not be successful. Let's wait the first book and see.

Agreed.

We don't even know how "expansions" will work for GW2, will they be downloaded content or paid for Chapters?'

So in a way, Winnie could be right that Cantha and Elona are part of the "first" story, if they are simply added as an update later that year.

On a side note, I feel bad for Winnie. I get the feeling he (she?) is just very excited about GW2 and can't understand why everyone is "hostile" to him (or her).

I would advise Winnie to just read for a bit, absorb, then post. Don't post every thought that comes to your head, chances are, its already been discussed. You have to remember GW2 was announced 2 years ago, there has been LOTS of discussion in the past 2 years, that's why people might seem annoyed.

He not she. yay you believe me... sort of!
The reason i think all 3 current continents will be included in the base game is because the storyline of gw2 includes the entire world. evryone seems to think that just because we dont know that the dragons will awaken in cantha and elona and that they are cut off means that they have practically nothing to do with the story. also anet said that the story of gw2 would have story archs rather than just one huge story so the cantha/elona story could be as big as/is the same/ect.
konig and others said that cantha will be very unimportant in the storyline because at the moment we know of no trouble in that location; we know that emperor whatshisname who is the new emperor defeats the luxons and kurzicks and forces all non human races to leave cantha, anyone we disagrees; bye bye! they are sent away from cantha to tyria(they are not killed by the undead dragon and his minions cos they go to tarnished coast/muguuma jungle instead of kryta, that is how we know anything about cantha.
writing that made me think... from the way the canthan part of the movement about the emperor was written in was like they didnt just kill off all the non humans, they just...made them leave and fought them off... the question is, where did they go??? prehaps to the south of cantha, makes for a whole new continent and story! btw, all non-human races including TENGU, they are sentient, unlike all of the other non-humans of cantha(i think).
The tengu wouldnt be happy about that... perhaps they have a plan, a new civilisation and their own huge land... prehaps they wage war against the humans... perhaps they are a playable race!!!!!!!
I know this doesnt really say that cantha and elona wont be expansions but i just think that they will be part of the main game.
Mordakai, i am a boy and i do read all the posts then i post as you said and i dont just write anything i say. people shoudlnt be annoyed just because people have talked about hw2 before cos their is lots to discuss!!!

You are inventing your own storyline. Wait until the three books are out...

Possibly a misunderstanding. The Dragons do cause destruction. They are "bad guys" to us (at least initially). Nothing says they are unintelligent. Nothing says they are evil. Just the antagonist (that would be who we fight).

Tell him yourself.

Unknown. Possible. Despite the 50+ years since the Searing since the first Ancient Dragon (Primordus) woke up. I'd say it is possible that they, and other worldly events, woke up the Great Destroyer, which woke up Primordus. And Primordus waking up caused the others (indirectly) to wake up.

Personally, I agree that Tyria and at least some of Elona could (and possibly will) be in the first game. They made Cantha more of "no access" and Joko more of "threat once the dragons are dead/mostly dead" by how I understood it.

No one has said that...

No I never said that. I said they will not be in the game initially - that means at the beginning, or start. This is why Free Runner said you only take parts of what you read.


Wrong, that happens before the Orrian dragons wakes up. They head to Kryta. and the dragon blocks off the maguuma and tarnished coast as well (unless you go way west - which is off the map currently).


Was said - Kryta. If I remember correctly, Kryta is now a refugee nation for both humans and non-humans. And those that were chased off (and I think the emperor also killed some, the others fled) also seemingly went to Elona. If I remember correctly. Also, Cantha is used for the name of the empire, and the continent - just as Tyria is the name of the continent and world. So there may still be some non-human sentient races on the continent, just not in the empire.

Also includes Naga, Yeti, and Dredge.

Being territorial, they wouldn't be happy about that. However, creating a war from the south, you're just making things up.

Highly unlikely for Cantha. It would be a very very big game if so. Say, combine all four games we currently have. You are basically wanting that as the initial game.

Sure, I'd like that too (especially if it was minimal maps), however it would not be beneficial for business and would possibly mean adding on 3 more years for the development of GW2 from the estimated date of end of 11 beginning of 12 - which would mean 2015 if all three continents are added. More or less.

And all that "lot" has been discussed almost to the point where people decide what each and every word means.

Just wait for the three books to come out before posting more on GW2. Please. Save yourself from a possible ban and from being flamed and called a troll. (and take some writing lessens, walls of text is annoying, especially with bad grammar)

Oh, I think Cantha and Elona will have influence over the beginning game. There will be hints and refugees, etc, all setting up the "expansions" or whatever they will be.

Most of us just think to include all 3 continents from the beginning will be TOO big. There are so many story arcs that can take place on Tyria.

My guess the "elite" area of the first part of GW2 will be Orr, with all those ancient Orrian relics we've been dying to see!

We could get into a whole discussion of "sentient" vs "playable." In Elona, for example, we know the Hekket are sentient, we overhear them talking! But I doubt the Hekket will ever be a playable race... but I could be wrong! I never thought the Charr would be playable either...

Are the Wardens sentient, for example? I think they are.
http://eu.guildwars.com/gameplay/cantha/the_wardens/

I know many people want to see Tengu as a playable race... again, probably as an expansion race when ArenaNet releases the Cantha update.

I will probably be easier for Anet to create new Races with each expansion, rather than new Professions. But this, of course, is all speculation with no evidence, just my thoughts.

So what if i am? Its possible if not probbable. i couldnt be bothered to wait...

Quite possible. Which would mean the Orrian Dragon would be the last to die lore-wise, as elite areas are usually based after the game.

Currently unconfirmed-to-be-playable cultured races:
Centaurs
Tengu
Dredge
Mursaat
Seers
Naga
Heket
Skree Harpies
Frogmen
Grawl
Forgotten
Undead (not really a race, but sentient and cultured)
Warden (not really a race, but sentient and cultured - also possibly extinct by GW2 time)
possibly missed some

I'd rather not get into a discussion on why all those could or couldn't be playable. >_>

Doesn't matter if possible or probable. You're making it up. Here, let me join you.

The Losaru Centaurs will join up with the Velderunner Centaurs - after being joined together in slavery by Palawa Joko - and escape to Heket and Skree lands. There, the Hekets and Skree put aside their who knows how long old rivalry and join with the Centaurs and the few remaining true sunspears along with the Order of Whispers and fight against Palawa Joko.

Just as logical as what you said, much shorter, and completely unlikely.