Defy Pain is a drag

I also hurd that teh empathiez and teh blind, cripplez and teh standard anti-meleez win vs tihs...

smite is armour ignoring too....

I don't remember any big problem with Defy Pain at all; excluding the part of everybody spamming the word, Noob!, everywhere.

In +3 years playing GW PvP, I think I never entered any arena with Defy Pain equipped; I will try today, first I must disable the chat, of course, and use some random nickname (and leave my guild? lol)

Wait, what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO?
Isn't rock, paper, scissors what rpgs are all about?!?!
Countering enemy strategies?

Even pokemon, one of the most skillful competitive rpg ever ( Anyone who disagrees should watch skillful play compared to n00bful play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye7b3bOQ6lY ) is rock, paper, scissors.


Magikarp sweeps, being a prime example, is countered by hail, sandstorm, and priority moves on enemy teams. That's due to rock, paper, scissors.

Build a unit that counters another unit, yes. However that is something that can be adjusted after the match starts. Builds in guild wars cannot be adjusted as such rock/paper/scissors hard skill counters are extremely bad for the game.

Think on Starcraft. Many units can be hard and soft counters to other units. But if it was truly rock/paper/scissors the way buildwars is rock/paper/scissors then zerg beat terran, who beat protoss, who beat zerg, match is over as soon as it starts. That is why it is desirable to avoid rock/paper/scissors counters in Guild wars, to prevent matches from being over before any of the match has been played.

DP is not an issue no need for a nerf.
Just ignore the DP war and attack a target that actually matters.

When you face a team with a DP warrior just take out the rest of his teammates then point and laugh. Most of the DP warriors do horrible damage and a vampiric weapon will simply outheal thier damage.

No Honor [nH] thinks Defy Pain warrior is a pretty good guy, eh. So do I.

There's nothing wrong with the current skill.

It only took it getting abused in gvg to get it changed. Oh well, at least it happened.

is there a reason you decided to ressurect a year old thread?

read the OP's message, now go read this: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...dates/20100617

DP wars deal as much damage as a standard warrior, but can frenzy moar and last a whole lot longer!

heh, pvp? Not anymore!

LMAO, funniest dumb thread i have ever seen in SS. Defy pain warriors rarely deal a ton of dmg. They are tanks with no dmg output if they bring self heals on top of defy. Defy pain warriors are shunned in pvp. If they run defy pain and no heals then they can deal some dmg, but they only have extra hp and dmg reduction, they are not hard to kill like this.
Lets be honest, how often do you see a warrior running defy pain? Not very often, so what is the cry cry all about? If you are a pver and you see defy pain in RA then go pve if it makes you cry. Defy pain is not a good elite selection for random pvp and it is not a good selection for any pvp unless it is used strategically. I wish some real pvp people would get on this thread and back me up on that. I know that the people that haunt SS mostly do play pve. They are not hardcore pvpers and logically should not have a say in how defy pain works in pvp. It would be like a pvper saying MM necro builds need nerfed bc i saw ONE and i DIDNT like IT... so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you. Defy pain is a joke in pvp...unless it is used in like gvg as a strategic tank that is accompanied by a healer.

In PvP, it made you a hard target to kill even with Frenzy on you 24/7. The extra armor, damage reduction, and over 850 health while attacking 33% faster and spamming DW endlessly was a joke. It was used in practically every form of PvP (although not as popular as other Elites) and in GvG, would allow you to stay on the Lord for the whole match with only Lion's Comfort to keep you up.

So yes, this nerf was needed.

Well then, looks like that's taken care of.

Closed.