As I said earlier, they are not the same. They differ in more aspects than just the font color. People will get off on the fact that the yellow font has a 1:100.000 chance attached, while the purple is "only" 1:10.000 drops.
If you do not get it, then good for your, that's a lot of money saved right there. but most other people are conditioned differently.
Purple or Gold?
4thVariety
Unreal Havoc
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As I said earlier, they are not the same. They differ in more aspects than just the font color. People will get off on the fact that the yellow font has a 1:100.000 chance attached, while the purple is "only" 1:10.000 drops.
If you do not get it, then good for your, that's a lot of money saved right there. but most other people are conditioned differently. |
I find it amusing that it's all just about the font, lol.
I mean personally myself if the skins what I want I don't really care whether its purple or gold, because other than that it will still do what I want to do with it (assuming its for my own personal use of course).
Whatever rocks your boat I guess.
Tenebrae
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In regards to rarity I don't see how a skin is so rare if there is a same skinned purple version that isn't uncommon to get hold of. Doesn't that make the skin less rare and more common?
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Colour has nothing to do with the weap skin. If that weap drops from a monster or a non-endsomething chest , it can drop in 4 colours :
White>Blue>Purple>Gold ( Common -> Rare )
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I mean if it's R7 or R8 then I can understand where rarity would make a difference, but if both are R9 then there is absolutely no difference. It's all literally based on the colour of the items font and nothing more.
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- X monster dies : <random drop process to determine item dropped within that mob db drop > ( it happens when you load map but that doesnt matter here )
- Weapon X is gonna drop with Y suitable mods for that weap ( not in cantha and prop , R9 curses , 20% recharges Smitting prayers or WTH )
- <random drop process to determine rarity> :
A) White. No Y <random mod>
B) Blue . Y mods , almost shit . Sometimes insc , sometimes not
C) Purple . Y mods , almost perfect . Sometimes insc , sometimes not
D) Gold . Y mods perfect or 1% less than perf .
A>B>C>D . Common>Rare , between same % of THAT weapon to drop.
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That's the part I really don't get with the mentality behind it all.
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Inscriptions for example lowered price of some items that ONLY could be obtained in cantha or prophecies. But even now , rarity makes non insc 15^50 weaps to have more value than same colour and same req inscribable ones.
Is not hard to understand , no one is asking you to sell/buy something you dont want but prices are not based on opinion although it may seem so sometimes.
Unreal Havoc
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Skin =\= Rarity.
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Nanood
I never buy weapons. But if I did I would buy a gold one cause the color is easier to read on the screen.
Tenebrae
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I guess that depends on if you care about an items rarity or not. Some people just prefer a nice skin and don't really care what colour the weapon is as long as it functions the same. I'm one of them.
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No one asked you to, neither did I need it explaining. The discussion here is about the mentality of players towards gold and purple items.
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Purples are not worth the same as golds because purples drop more often. Regardless of sharing the same skin. Enough people bought into the vanity ideal of guildwars to the point that the colored text makes a difference as well. So gold, which many consider better looking will always be worth more than a purple sharing the same skin/req/stats/mods.
So your gold might be worth 100K but the purple version might only be worth 50k. Thats just the way it is. If you don't care about the colored text, nothing wrong with using purples or blues. But enough people do care that the market is affected by it.
Doesn't mean you can't still sell purples for a good price. I do all the time. 5k for a clean r9 purple is a good price.
PS: The "mentality" is "vanity" which is a driving point in guildwars spending. You can buy max armor in nightfall for cheap, yet people spend hundreds of thousands of gold on the same armor with a different look because "looking better" is important. Besides, thats all there is to spend money on. Better looking loot since its all the same in terms of functionality.
So your gold might be worth 100K but the purple version might only be worth 50k. Thats just the way it is. If you don't care about the colored text, nothing wrong with using purples or blues. But enough people do care that the market is affected by it.
Doesn't mean you can't still sell purples for a good price. I do all the time. 5k for a clean r9 purple is a good price.
PS: The "mentality" is "vanity" which is a driving point in guildwars spending. You can buy max armor in nightfall for cheap, yet people spend hundreds of thousands of gold on the same armor with a different look because "looking better" is important. Besides, thats all there is to spend money on. Better looking loot since its all the same in terms of functionality.
Unreal Havoc
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It has nothing to do with what i said , i was answering to this "Doesn't that make the skin less rare and more common?" . Doesnt depend on "caring" or an "opinion" some skins are rare , others are not . Period.
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Originally Posted by jaximus this discussion hasnt really gone back far enough to reveal the reason. back in the prof/factions early days, golds where the only items that had max inherents. purples could go up to ~13-14^50 if i recall, but not 15^50. i cant find the exact page, but heres something close http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Purple and from that point, purples were labled as not as good as golds, because, they werent. then when nf can gwen came about and things became inscribable and purples came in max inscribable versions, they became equals, but they couldnt shake the preset notions. people dont like to change and this is just an example. so as for price and color, with inscribable versions, they should for all functionality related purposes be the same, but people like gold better because its what used to be good. as for me, i use both, as long as they are max with the mods i want, i dont really care about the color, because aside from me, noone can see them and i dont intend to sell my weapons so they are all customized (except wands/defensive sets) |
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Well you seemed pretty clueless here "That's the part I really don't get with the mentality behind it all." but ok , next time ill put 0 effort and answer with : "No" , "yes", "depends" .
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IronSheik
Golds are rarer than purp
I will not pay same price for gold as purp
I will not pay same price for gold as purp
arcanemacabre
What is hard to understand about the rarity aspect? Yes, they are effectively the same in form and function, but that small difference (text color) is still a difference, and when one is more rare than the other, it will be worth more to those who will pay to have it.
Again, see my antique example. If you have a dresser made in the 1700's, and an exact duplicate made two years ago, which do you think would be worth more and why? If they look exactly the same, work the same way, shouldn't they also cost the same?
Again, see my antique example. If you have a dresser made in the 1700's, and an exact duplicate made two years ago, which do you think would be worth more and why? If they look exactly the same, work the same way, shouldn't they also cost the same?
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What is hard to understand about the rarity aspect? Yes, they are effectively the same in form and function, but that small difference (text color) is still a difference, and when one is more rare than the other, it will be worth more to those who will pay to have it.
Again, see my antique example. If you have a dresser made in the 1700's, and an exact duplicate made two years ago, which do you think would be worth more and why? If they look exactly the same, work the same way, shouldn't they also cost the same? |
Unreal Havoc
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Purples are not worth the same as golds because purples drop more often. Regardless of sharing the same skin. Enough people bought into the vanity ideal of guildwars to the point that the colored text makes a difference as well. So gold, which many consider better looking will always be worth more than a purple sharing the same skin/req/stats/mods.
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The one thing we do agree on is that it boils down to player mentality, and in this case, mass player mentality.
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People pay for rarity, Ele swords were 100k+e at one point when they were RARE, now you have to pay to get rid of one. It does the same job as a collector skin, did people pay 100k for it?, No.
Not whether an item has same use as purple or gold, take the starburst elf's example
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I already understand that golds are less common than purples, that's not the debate here.
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Yet no one can physically see whether the weapons you have are gold or purple unless you specifically trade with them just to show off. The irony here is that part of the market is driven by nothing more than font colour, where an item shares the same skin regardless, whether you choose to think the same way or not.
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You now know the reason why golds always cost more than purples and always will. "Vanity" and "Ego".
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People pay for rarity, Ele swords were 100k+e at one point when they were RARE, now you have to pay to get rid of one. It does the same job as a collector skin, did people pay 100k for it?, No.
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The desire to own a specific skin dependant on its colour.
I'm well aware that at the end of the day any old weapon can do the job, I'm well aware there's people out there who will pay upto the eyeballs in ectos for specific weapons.
I'm simply exploring "why?"
Is that is really so hard to comprehend?
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You now know the reason why golds always cost more than purples and always will. "Vanity" and "Ego".
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Interesting point to bring up though. Vanity and Ego. If you're the only person who can see said items then where does vanity and ego come into it? I mean if you're busting Obsidian Armour and Chaos Gloves, everyone can see that, but for the most part your weapons are only viewable by other players in explorable, and other than yourself, no one will ever know what colour they are.
HawkofStorms
Why are natural diamonds so valuable in Real Life? Sure they have industrial reasons and look pretty, but why do people spend so much to put them on rings. Because they are rare. Why don't people just use synthetically created diamonds, which are chemically the exact same thing as natural ones. Why is the price of one so much lower then other?
It has nothing to do with our mentality... that's just how things work.
It has nothing to do with our mentality... that's just how things work.
IronSheik
Unreal you're saying the same thing over and over, and people are saying the same thing.
Golds are rarer than purple, people want gold for self satisfaction/accomplishment.
Golds are rarer than purple, people want gold for self satisfaction/accomplishment.
Gift3d
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I use tons of purple items over gold of the same skin. But pay the same price for either? No way. That is exactly the reason I prefer the purple (or even blue/collector/weaponsmith) ones - they're cheaper.
Why, you ask? It's for the same reason that someone will pay many times more for a real antique versus a replica, even if the replica is made with superior materials and with greater function. There are simply less of them in existence = more rare = command greater value. |
Unreal Havoc
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Unreal you're saying the same thing over and over, and people are saying the same thing.
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While there's no doubt theres a large majority that do think this way, and the Guild Wars economy most definitely shows this, there are those out there who look at things differently and think "what is the big deal?".
There's several people here already who have admitted to using purple weapons over gold when faced with the choice of the same skin, some even collect purples (unless the above post is sarcasm, it's hard to tell).
Therefore not everyone thinks the same, because to some its being able to resell the item rather than the accomplishment of owning it (though maybe you could put that to accomplishment of getting the cash from seling it).
In any event I'm just trying to have a friendly discussion, so if it's starting to annoy you just ignore it.
HawkofStorms
Another thing to consider is that why buy purple and then "upgrade" later to gold, if you can just afford to get Gold straight away? Many people don't have to worry about saving money in this game. If somebody is selling a purple for 4k and a gold for 8k, but you have 100000k in ectos... why the heck not just get the gold one.
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Vanity and Ego reply: Bragging rights. A player can say "Well I have this" to trump someone elses bragging rights. "Well mines gold." "Well mine has 20/20". "Well mines perfect". "Well my title is maxed." "Well I can do that area in less time."
Thats why it doesn't matter if other people can see it or not. Personally I like what "I" like and it has nothing to do what others think of it. But not everyone is like that. I'v met plenty of people who have to add "XD" or "lol" to the end of a "I just found" or "I just finished" sentence. Its all about ego.
Thats why it doesn't matter if other people can see it or not. Personally I like what "I" like and it has nothing to do what others think of it. But not everyone is like that. I'v met plenty of people who have to add "XD" or "lol" to the end of a "I just found" or "I just finished" sentence. Its all about ego.
4thVariety
Waaaaay back, when there was only Prophecies and no hardmode yet, there was a Skin called "Sickle". It only dropped white, it never had perfect stats, but it was traded with very high prices.
But as long as it had that "rare unique" skin thing going, the prices were very very high. Even though it was only a white weapon.
Then the green weapon Victo's Axe came along and all was over in a blaze. With an overfarmed green the skin was no longer unique to select people and so the priced dropped to the bottom of the sea.
Denravi Sword anyone? At least that was useful.
But as long as it had that "rare unique" skin thing going, the prices were very very high. Even though it was only a white weapon.
Then the green weapon Victo's Axe came along and all was over in a blaze. With an overfarmed green the skin was no longer unique to select people and so the priced dropped to the bottom of the sea.
Denravi Sword anyone? At least that was useful.
S_Serpent
Personnally its quite simple:
I'll even get me the blue version of the same skin, then purple and last gold.
And I've got many collector stuff I'm using simply because they are perfect
and some off them are even imo the best skins.
But hell no I will not pay the same price as for the golden one, that one is more rare because of its golden status, purple is uncommon, blue is common - that is what reflects the price difference the skin and the raritycolor! Not one or the other, but the combination of both!
On a side note I will rarely take a green anymore, esp. with the inscriptions system now. I really want an inscriptable weapon or offhand that I can mod to my hearts desire.
And no I will not pay more for the mods on the item, unless it are the mods that I seek, mostly I have the mods I want already in stock too.
I'll even get me the blue version of the same skin, then purple and last gold.
And I've got many collector stuff I'm using simply because they are perfect
But hell no I will not pay the same price as for the golden one, that one is more rare because of its golden status, purple is uncommon, blue is common - that is what reflects the price difference the skin and the raritycolor! Not one or the other, but the combination of both!
On a side note I will rarely take a green anymore, esp. with the inscriptions system now. I really want an inscriptable weapon or offhand that I can mod to my hearts desire.
And no I will not pay more for the mods on the item, unless it are the mods that I seek, mostly I have the mods I want already in stock too.
Solas
Well on my main I'd get a gold, For the same reason I get prestige armor.
yeah It looks the same but I know it's just a meh version of it so it'd jsut drive me mad to have it on my main. Some alts I wouldnt really care about giving them whites.
yeah It looks the same but I know it's just a meh version of it so it'd jsut drive me mad to have it on my main. Some alts I wouldnt really care about giving them whites.
Brawn Over Brains
I just prefer the way it looks in my inventory.
Purple is my least favourite colour ever..
So yeah, I'd rather pay 10k more for gold than purple.
Besides, it's not like I can't make that money back?
Purple is my least favourite colour ever..
So yeah, I'd rather pay 10k more for gold than purple.
Besides, it's not like I can't make that money back?
Stop The Storm
i think its just a wealthy VS poor debate.
anyone who has cash and has played the game a while, likes to treat themselves to expensive weapon skins and expensive armour.
people who are poor are happy with crafted items/greens and purples etc.
personally id never buy a purple item if i can get it in gold.
trying to sell on purple items is a nightmare.
anyone who has cash and has played the game a while, likes to treat themselves to expensive weapon skins and expensive armour.
people who are poor are happy with crafted items/greens and purples etc.
personally id never buy a purple item if i can get it in gold.
trying to sell on purple items is a nightmare.
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Nerel
I would never bother to buy a purple, not that I often buy weapons of any type... simply put, I know that statistically they're the same (unlike collector/crafter and green weapons), but I also know the value the community places on them... hence they don't have any real resale value for the most part.
I blame peer pressure.
edit. What surprises me is that people will take a green over a perfectly modded purple with the same stats.
I blame peer pressure.
edit. What surprises me is that people will take a green over a perfectly modded purple with the same stats.
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i think its just a wealthy VS poor debate.
anyone who has cash and has played the game a while, likes to treat themselves to expensive weapon skins and expensive armour. people who are poor are happy with crafted items/greens and purples etc. |
While there are people out there like this I don't think that means everyone is like this.
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Well on my main I'd get a gold, For the same reason I get prestige armor. yeah It looks the same but I know it's just a meh version of it so it'd jsut drive me mad to have it on my main. Some alts I wouldnt really care about giving them whites. |
Is it the expense or is there more behind it?
Wish Swiftdeath
What's the point of wasting your time putting it on a character you rarely play? You don't get to see it alot so you may as well not have it...
chaosincarnate87
tbh the reason i buy gold vs purple is the ease of access. it is MUCH easier to buy a gold of a certain skin that i want than a purple because purples have attained that junk status essentially as someone posted on the 2nd page. plus after playing for 4 years i dont think my characters deserve junk tbh. they deserve the finer things :P
MithranArkanere
I don't like the purple names, are harder to read than the golden ones. There is no other difference, as purples and gold both have half effect (half damage, half armor, half energy) when not fulfilling their requisites
Common and green will have basic effect (same damge as begginer weapons, 3 energy) so they are even less desirable.
Common and green will have basic effect (same damge as begginer weapons, 3 energy) so they are even less desirable.
byteme!
I don't see any debate at all. This thread is like a broken record. Unreal keeps repeating himself and the responses are identical.
Gold = Rare = Pay more
Purple = Not so much = Pay less
Reasons for that are already explained. Blah blah blah I know what you're debate and topic is about. Blah blah blah. Repeat repeat repeat. This topic was answered already. Now we're just pressing rewind and replaying the same tune over and over.
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Gold = Rare = Pay more
Purple = Not so much = Pay less
Reasons for that are already explained. Blah blah blah I know what you're debate and topic is about. Blah blah blah. Repeat repeat repeat. This topic was answered already. Now we're just pressing rewind and replaying the same tune over and over.
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Unreal Havoc
Ok.
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Stop The Storm
and to the OP question.
no, i wouldnt buy a purple for the same price as a gold.
youd have to be an absolute clownshoe to pay the same price for a grape.
no, i wouldnt buy a purple for the same price as a gold.
youd have to be an absolute clownshoe to pay the same price for a grape.
Baobao23
I don't think it's so much as the color of the font, but the mentality behind it. How many people in guild wars actually know that there are purple items that have max stats?
As pointed out on the first page, in the prophs and factions campaigns, the items with the only max stats are gold items (keep that in mind that they there are still no max purple items coming from these 2 campaigns).
I can't stress enough how many times people in game have told me that purple items aren't as good as gold items just because they think that there must be some drawback in them.
For example, one person told me that a purple item has a lower crit rate than a gold when I told him/her that it has max stats.
As pointed out on the first page, in the prophs and factions campaigns, the items with the only max stats are gold items (keep that in mind that they there are still no max purple items coming from these 2 campaigns).
I can't stress enough how many times people in game have told me that purple items aren't as good as gold items just because they think that there must be some drawback in them.
For example, one person told me that a purple item has a lower crit rate than a gold when I told him/her that it has max stats.
Unreal Havoc
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no, i wouldnt buy a purple for the same price as a gold. youd have to be an absolute clownshoe to pay the same price for a grape. |
Cale Roughstar
Rarity dictates price. Therefore golds get my money.
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Stop asking why and just be happy with cheaper grapes. They great for most people, and the higher priced golds are great for those anal retentive collectors who will pay to have them. Ey?
byteme!
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If you're really not bothered about rarity (proword being "if") but more just about the skin itself, you'ld be an absolute clownshoe to pay over the odds for something you can possibly get far cheaper.
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Certainly these people can't be that much of a "clownshoe" since they were smart enough to make the money in the first place to a point where the premium prices of gold are no longer an issue.
Like the guy above me said. Stop asking why.