My A/E Glacial Stone Farmer

no damage tank

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Inside Your Head [Psy]

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The thing that a lot of you will probably ask is 'But the keg bomber is so brilliant, why not just use that?' Well, i found that the keg bomber gives bad loot, for example: maybe 1 gold and a few white items. So i thought i'd find a way to get more loot out of it. After some research, i found that killing them one at a time gave you a lot more loot. Sliver Armor, incredibly powerful, but only 3 damage vs a Spectral Vaettir?! Ok, so let's see how i can improve the power of this. Eventually i came to a conclusion, it is in this build, the AoE Sliver Perma Sin.


Skill Template: OwZTkWP9ZS6jHRnJbYJiHKVQVEA

The Skills are:
Glyph of Swiftness
Deadly Paradox
Shadow Form
Crystal Wave
Tenai's Crystals
Sliver Armor
Earth Attunement
Drunken Master

What about energy management? I use a Zealous +5 Energy +20% Enchanting scythe for energy, it is truly brilliant.

But how do i use this?
1. Run from Longeye's Ledge to Jaga Moraine (Shadow Form isn't needed so just keep Drunken Master as your stance), this should take 2-3 minutes.

2. Aggro the northern group of Spectral Vaettirs, there is a spot where they do not scatter, as shown in this picture.



3. Use Crystal Wave and Tenai's Crystals until they are at low hp. Use your scythe to gain energy. The picture below shows the hp you are aiming for.



4. Now you use Glyph of Swiftness before Sliver Armor. This will take about 10 hits to kill 1 Spectral Vaettir, this will give you good loot because they are dying one at a time.

5. When only about 5 are left, just use Crystal Wave or Tenai's Crystals to finish them off.

6. Loot and enjoy. The picture below shows what you can get, although this was a very lucky run, you get at least 2-3 golds each run!



So how long will this take?



Thank you for reading, and i wish you good loot!

EDIT: People seem to think that the picture of loot is what you get always, but that was a very lucky run, as stated previously, after about 25 runs of doing this, i found that i got at least 2 golds each run.

Marzipan Marci

Marzipan Marci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

In my own dimension.

Golden Eternity [金金金金]

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Marzipan Marci Offers Congratulations!

nice one, mate. I gotta try it.

ajc2123

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

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Nice.

Gonna use raptors this holiday just for the sheer quickness of it, but at least this one will help with my wisdom title.

mastar of warrior

mastar of warrior

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

sweden

N/A

Mo/

to Continue ur first Sentance there, : The Keg guy was Changed, he only gives 1 keg every few seconds now, so it would take ages to kill them.

Gonna try this one now

the Puppeteer

the Puppeteer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

there's a similar build for E/Me

talon994

talon994

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2009

Ontario,Canada

聖光麒麟

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Simply amazing.

Biofobico

Biofobico

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2008

Portugal

Mo/

Nice build @no damage tank. Gonna try it later.

Edge Igneas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2008

Poland

It's a very nice build indeed, just got back from it.

36 kills isn't it? It would be awesome if you could aggro the south group

Its overall great even just for Norn Title points.
I'm making a video later

rizbiz

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Shards of Orr

Mo/

@Puppeteer
I used to use the e/me. the damage was like, 2x Crystals, Sliver, Obby, Swiftness, SFA, Mantra, StoneStriker i think if i remember correctly. but you needed like runes against earth damage too because if you dont you take like 1-2 damage each time and it adds up since you got no heals.

Zonk

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2009

Sweden

[LIFE]

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Well u could always use the same wall u use with the burning build to keep the south group from scattering?

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

When I use the E/Me, I use Crystal Wave/Teinai's Crystals/Arcane Echo/Glyph of Swiftness/Obsidian Flesh/Stoneflesh Aura/Mantra of Earth/Storm Djinn's Haste (to speed up running). That build kills the entire group at the same time, and the drops are consistently just as good as the picture above. Oh, and I don't have to worry about finding a wall to hold them, because they never scatter since there's no Sliver Armor.

Nobody has ever definitively proven that you get more drops one at a time. There have been tons of thread proving it both ways. I'll enjoy the fast AoE bomb instead of dealing with the problems of Sliver. The only reason for doing this would be solely because you specifically want your assassin to gain the Norn points (or you don't have an ele)

Expherious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Wolfenstein Fuel Dump

Melandru's Elite Hunters [Hunt]

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I might aswell get my assassin there now lol

Zonk

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2009

Sweden

[LIFE]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zelgadissan View Post
Oh, and I don't have to worry about finding a wall to hold them, because they never scatter since there's no Sliver Armor.
Not quite following... the need for wall is due to crystals, not sliver..

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

At least on E/Me, they don't scatter at all. They just keep attacking me for no damage until they die.

I admittedly have not tried this on an A/E, so I'm willing to give it a try. However, I've done the other to the point that my ele is almost max Norn without doing anything but the main storyline (and the book went to Asura). So I know that one quite well.

Coney

Coney

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2008

Let me understand this completely. In HM, you kill 36 vaettir in 5 minutes, then re-zone/re-peat - for ~3-4 golds a run (gold drop rate seems way high, but W/E)?

I'd rather 100LOLz/MoP 33+ raptors every minute, for essentially the same (arguably more in the long run) number of golds. Maybe it pays off given mesmer tomes instead of assassin, but the lack of elite tomes/gold scrolls and chests makes me cringe (and I already have 2 stacks of each assassin/mesmer tomes). Glacial stones are about worthless - I have ~3 stacks, and can't even sell 100 for 5K anymore, so I just use then for alt gloves when I need re-specs.

FWIW, I'd recommend dropping the dwarf run skill for something like EBSoH, might drop the run times by 1 minute or more (max sweets with 1 cupcake/run instead, if you really think that saves any time ~15 seconds?)...

Lots of unvalidated arguments in this thread, about more drops when killing 1 at a time, and bringing leeches... Very much unsubstantiated, and certainly not one way or the other, based on my own experience...

Xiao Erh

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

Zero The Company [ZERO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney
View Post
Let me understand this completely. In HM, you kill 36 vaettir in 5 minutes, then re-zone/re-peat - for ~3-4 golds a run (gold drop rate seems way high, but W/E)?

I'd rather 100LOLz/MoP 33+ raptors every minute, for essentially the same (arguably more in the long run) number of golds. Maybe it pays off given mesmer tomes instead of assassin, but the lack of elite tomes/gold scrolls and chests makes me cringe (and I already have 2 stacks of each assassin/mesmer tomes). Glacial stones are about worthless - I have ~3 stacks, and can't even sell 100 for 5K anymore, so I just use then for alt gloves when I need re-specs.

FWIW, I'd recommend dropping the dwarf run skill for something like EBSoH, might drop the run times by 1 minute or more (max sweets with 1 cupcake/run instead, if you really think that saves any time ~15 seconds?)...

Lots of unvalidated arguments in this thread, about more drops when killing 1 at a time, and bringing leeches... Very much unsubstantiated, and certainly not one way or the other, based on my own experience... "Lots of unvalidated arguments in this thread, about more drops when killing 1 at a time, and bringing leeches..."

Guess bring leeches arguments is all in your head cos' no one has mentioned any in this thread lol...and lots of unvalidated arguments? Where? Definitely not in this thread, until you and another poster mentioned it.

Anyway, as an E/Me if I wanted to, I can kill an entire group using arcane echo crystal wave, tenai's crystals as much as possible until they died all at once. The results? Measly drops, unlike what they OP described using both to lower their HPs and then slowly finishing them off with sliver.

Another thing...OP has offered an alternative from Keg Bombing for A/E, so please do not hijack this thread to one of Raptor Farming being better, leaching etc., as that is irrelevant.

Coney

Coney

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by no damage tank View Post
1. Go farm raptors if you want, no one is forcing you not to
2. I am just going by what ive seen, i tried about 10 runs of keg bombing... got crap loot, done about 20 of this and each time got at least 3 golds
When I keg farmed, I'd kill all 60 in ~3 minutes - and get usually ~2-3 golds, ~1 mesmer tome, and ~1-2 glacial stones. And I did it a lot, enough I prolly farmed 500+ golds.

Did it enough to realize that you could only farm about 40 minutes before /resigning to sell the golds (unless you salvaged them - pre-mech-stone).

I just want to understand why to bother with this farm now. Seems no reason, unless the gold skins are worth something (don't think so, as I can't get 1k for any gold r9 skins from here or anywhere else).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiao Erh View Post
Anyway, as an E/Me if I wanted to, I can kill an entire group using arcane echo crystal wave, tenai's crystals as much as possible until they died all at once. The results? Measly drops, unlike what they OP described using both to lower their HPs and then slowly finishing them off with sliver. Provide the proof that 1 by 1 kills are better loot, or quit flaming me.

EDIT: I've farmed 2 different characters to r10 asuran using SLIVER. I've also done plenty of keg and AOE farming (to R10 asuran and R10 norn). Thus, I have a pretty good *FEEL* for single kill drops, as well as AOE drops. Just wanted to add this, as it's MORE THAN PERTINENT, and proves I'm not just a hijacker or someone who's clueless.

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

There's been a thread on guru about this already. It's the time interval between kills that matters. By bringing everything down to 10 health and then killing with Sliver is still a very small time interval. Granted, it's faster than instantaneously with aoe or kegs, but still, it's a very short interval.

no damage tank

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Inside Your Head [Psy]

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can we please just stop talking about raptor farming, talk about that in a raptor farming thread

riktw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

netherlands

Mo/E

well the other group can be done to.
i think if you take an nuker or SS guy that you can do this really fast.
here is a pic:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5139/gw029x.jpg
yes i was to lazy to lure them all

Crazyvietguy

Crazyvietguy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[Njk]

Rt/

Sooo I decided that this new loot idea was interesting (Killing one at a time as opposed to group death)

I've done this farm 40 times already, 20 using single kill and 20 using group kill and have found that my numbers only differed by 2 golds (as those are the only things worth money from this farm).

The 2 golds were favored for the single kill side though.

Just a little food for thought.

Oh and there are a lot better places to get those spectrals to get stuck than that spot on the left side. *Hint hint*

Xiao Erh

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

Zero The Company [ZERO]

D/Mo

My advice to those who intend to farm Vaettirs. Be prepared for the long haul, so empty your inventory of superfluous items, bring a few mercantile summoning stones, measure for measure inscriptions if you have, ID kits with 100 uses, 3 or more salvage kits, an expert salvage kit and spare XP scrolls for those who need more skill points. Salvage all crap white, blue and purple items except those inscriptables that are worth more than 200 gp. Obviously the measure for measure will be useful in cases where you know the high value item you want to salvage will give you rare materials or the specific material you need. Examples are Ruby Mauls, Iridescent Aegis, Jeweled Daggers, etc which has a chance to expert salvage (with M4M) into rubies and others such as Granite Hammers will give you granite in larger quantities. I suggest keeping any crap items of some value but practically worthless when salvaged (example staves that salvaged into wood). These are kept aside until your inventory is full, before activating the Mercantile Summoning Stone. After selling all the high value crap items, you can replenish your inventory with fresh kits for identifying and salvaging.

Usually, Vaettir Farmers will rezone and farm again and again and this can go on indefinitely before calling it quits. Some may even do this for more than a day. The advent of the Mercantile Summoning Stones makes it even more attractive to continue farming longer as you need not go back to town.

I would consider a good haul if I complete the farm with 4 stacks of iron ingots, 2 stacks of wood, 3 stacks of Glitter Dust, lots of granites, more than 100 glacial stones, more than 10 Mesmer Tomes, a few Lockpicks, a few thousand cash, all the Unid Golds I can carry (usually more than 24). That about sums up how to maximise the profits from Vaettir Farming.

Dyes do drop often but usually the cheap ones but once I got 2 black dyes in a single spawn which was pretty unusual. Good luck to you guys.

Carnivorous Cupcake

Carnivorous Cupcake

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

Lolrus League [lol]

A/E

Great work and very good original concept. :]

the slasher

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Knight Of Echovald[KoE]

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xiao erh, yes, the mercantile summoning stones DO help out, but that was for the previous build with MR. kegs (budger)... with the build he suggested, with tenais crystals and sliver, its nt rly worth much, as you will lose like, 5 mins to run from one place to the other.... +, I don't know how much they're selling for, but they cost abit of $$ usually....

but yes, i like this build very much, have ran him alrdy and I must say that i get More drops with SA than with regular kegging(pre-nerf) or radfield cop ether nightmare stuff and etc... TY for the great alternative

no damage tank

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Inside Your Head [Psy]

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well, as the keg farmer is dead (as previously explained) i believe that this method can still be very effective.... even if single kills dont increase your drops, and if u dont wanna single kill just remove sliver armor

drunknzelda

drunknzelda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Time For Plan B [RUN]

E/Me

Well you won't get more rare loot this way, but if you like white items this is the way to go (golds etc aren't scaled so). I'm sticking with my Ele, as the only really good thing about vaettir is that you get a lot of event items from then, if it's not event it's a waste of time, and Ele can kill more mobs in same amount of time, resulting in more party stuff and sweets.

no damage tank

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Inside Your Head [Psy]

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well you may say that golds arent scaled, but after doing the keg farmer for a while then switching to this for a while i found that they appear to be scaled

Painbringer

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

So would the basic bird farm build work A/E with Standard and Sliver and let them kill themselves?