Changes for: Party Animal, Drunkard and Sweettooth - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

12 Jul 2009 at 18:46 - 1

Party Animal : Make it account wide

Drunkard : Make it account wide and works similar to sweets/party consumables

Sweettooth : Make it account wide

Without any limitation of which character we have, we can;

1. Elimination of ale drinking afk botters (applies to making it work like sweets/fireworks).

2. Let's everyone (friends and strangers alike) be able to form profession themed dance formation etc. easily without hesitation of their title grinding character not being that profession.

3. Let us be able to form faster running themed congo lines in festivals and celebrations wit greater ease.

4. Form themed burp parties with greater ease.

5. Even pre-sear towns can be livelier with these changes during festivals

These 3 types of consumables are designed with entertaining properties. Thus let us have the freedom to enjoy using them rather than get bored using them only while on certain character(s).

Making it account wide won't stop players from continuing to use them for their benefits/entertainment especially when we'll get some per festival event anyway.

Expherious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Wolfenstein Fuel Dump

Melandru's Elite Hunters [Hunt]

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12 Jul 2009 at 20:01 - 2

They wont change the drunk effect to make it like sweet tooth/consumable.

majikmajikmajik

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

SATown~Tx

Guild Hopper!

R/

12 Jul 2009 at 20:26 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

[B]These 3 types of consumables are designed with entertaining properties. Thus let us have the freedom to enjoy using them rather than get bored using them only while on certain character(s).

Making it account wide won't stop players from continuing to use them for their benefits/entertainment especially when we'll get some per festival event anyway.

they were designed as a goldsinks not entertainment lol, and as for ppl stopping using them, they wil, becuz the title becomes 100% easier to get due to not having to do it with 1 character.

also please use the search fuction there is a drunkard/sweet/party thread nearly EVERY WEEK!

/notsigned for obviously weekly reason, and nothing is worth adding to gw1 anymore.

Seraphim Angel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2008

Sacred Knights of Orr [SKoO]

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12 Jul 2009 at 20:28 - 4

Sweet and Party are already easy to max plus your HoM is already account wide. Only argument I can agree with is make drunard account wide.

subarucar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

New Zealand

None

12 Jul 2009 at 21:08 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

2. Let's everyone (friends and strangers alike) be able to form profession themed dance formation etc. easily without hesitation of their title grinding character not being that profession.

3. Let us be able to form faster running themed congo lines in festivals and celebrations wit greater ease.

4. Form themed burp parties with greater ease.

And these are real reasons why A-net should bother doing this?

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

12 Jul 2009 at 21:10 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by subarucar

And these are real reasons why A-net should bother doing this?

If it adds to the entertainment factor, why not? It is a game for fun afterall

majikmajikmajik

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

SATown~Tx

Guild Hopper!

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12 Jul 2009 at 21:42 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

If it adds to the entertainment factor, why not? It is a game for fun afterall

my opinion is because it does nothing beneficial to the game nor will it atract players.

/notsigned

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

12 Jul 2009 at 22:18 - 8

/signed

It's just stupid you have to work on this title for every character, even when you have several you don't main with how are you supposed to get the drunk track?

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

12 Jul 2009 at 22:54 - 9

/not signed.
1. It has been suggested before, and when A-Net did the title re-balance back in November, they did look at making them account-wide and decided against it.

2. Getting those titles on a character isn't that difficult. It just takes time farming up the resources for them.

3. Getting drunkard isn't that time consuming IF you use your time wisely. I got it on my main simply by being drunk while in town selling my loot / buying more battle commendations to get more booze.

majikmajikmajik

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

SATown~Tx

Guild Hopper!

R/

12 Jul 2009 at 23:42 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

/signed

It's just stupid you have to work on this title for every character, even when you have several you don't main with how are you supposed to get the drunk track?

Not every character wants to be an alchoholic, party animal, or have rotten teeth, and to say you HAVE to work on this on all your characters is absurd.

PLUS, you dont have to do anything to get these titles, just use the items and kill time(trading, any pve) so there is absolutly no reason to have these titles acct wide. 10,000minutes is only 116hrs roughly, or only 7 days straight, its not that hard to get if you actualy play the game while using the items(plenty of skills benefit from alchohol, sweets have buffs). they have given you benefits to using them while playing so dooooo it.

ooh and please drink responsibly. last time i saw a drunk character he nearly crashed his rollerbeetle into the crowd stands!

Sotec The Brave

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2008

Michigan

Legends of the Forgotten

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13 Jul 2009 at 00:12 - 11

I just drink the alcohol while doing vanquises and missions and i have gotten quite a bit of time with little effort

IronSheik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Wolfenstein: Goldrush

Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom]

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13 Jul 2009 at 00:16 - 12

Your reasons are stupid, the only real one is because it forces us to use them all on one character, only drunk/Sweets should be account wide, party doesn't matter since they are for show.

Having to consume drunk/sweets on one character that I already did everything on is a little moot.

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Jul 2009 at 08:32 - 13

I'll /sign, just because I don't see the point in having to do them over again for each character. If you spend 1000k+ or however much it is, and it has no particular significance to the character you are working on, there isn't any good reason that I can think of to oppose them being account-wide.

Enon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Taking a dip at Nundu Bay

13 Jul 2009 at 13:25 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by majikmajikmajik

my opinion is because it does nothing beneficial to the game nor will it atract players.

Fifty percent of the updates just waved at you...

Oh and /signed. I don't see why Wisdom, Treasure Hunter and Lucky should be account based and Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal shouldn't.

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

13 Jul 2009 at 13:40 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enon

Fifty percent of the updates just waved at you...

Oh and /signed. I don't see why Wisdom, Treasure Hunter and Lucky should be account based and Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal shouldn't.

LoL because you are blind. Those titles HAVE effects (% salvage and % retain locks ), gold-sink titles dont . Why should you have access to those titles that have no effect ig ? ah yeah .... GWAMM greed . Nah

/notsigned

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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13 Jul 2009 at 13:41 - 16

Wisdom, Trasure and Luck have effects. Unlucky goes with lucky.
Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal have no effects.

They are just gold/time sinks. A way to pay or spend time towards a title.

It just doesn't matter. I'd rather bother more about changing Drunkenness mechanics so it is less a bother to achieve.

Enon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Taking a dip at Nundu Bay

13 Jul 2009 at 13:42 - 17

If anything, Wisdom, Treasure Hunter and Lucky SHOULD be character based because of the effects.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

13 Jul 2009 at 15:12 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enon

If anything, Wisdom, Treasure Hunter and Lucky SHOULD be character based because of the effects.

OMG, you know you are tearing holes in the space-time continuum with such proclamations?

Enon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Taking a dip at Nundu Bay

13 Jul 2009 at 15:22 - 19

Sorry, just my opinion.

Since Wisdom, Treasure Hunter and Lucky are more useful, it's only logical to restrict them to characters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenebrae

GWAMM greed . Nah

That's what people also said when we discussed making Wisdom, Treasure Hunter and Lucky account based :-)

Jenn

Resigned.

Join Date: Sep 2006

13 Jul 2009 at 15:32 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

Drunkard : Make it account wide and works similar to sweets/party consumables

Without any limitation of which character we have, we can;

1. Elimination of ale drinking afk botters (applies to making it work like sweets/fireworks).

This is completely and absolutely pointless. The reason bots exist is because people are not willing to put in the effort. So you're just saying to eliminate that which prompts them to bot, and make it that much easier. The sake of eliminating the "need" to bot will just appease those that sought it as a solution, therefore not really correcting the "lack of ethics." Getting rid of bots only for the sake of getting rid of them is kind of pointless, since no advantage is lost =P.

That being said, I like the idea of it being account-wide, not necessarily for the silly reasons you listed, though. Although I am GWAMM, when I was still going for the title, I completely avoided using consumables on other characters, even though they might aid me, because I didn't want to "waste my supply."

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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13 Jul 2009 at 19:28 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enon

Sorry, just my opinion.

Since Wisdom, Treasure Hunter and Lucky are more useful, it's only logical to restrict them to characters.

That makes no sense. Not in GW.
In GW, the more useful is something, the easier is to acquire. Flashy stuff is the harder one... with the exception of the Heavy Equipment bags, but that's for another thread.

If the Chance titles (Wisdom, Lucky/Unlucky, Trasure Hunter) were account wide, you would have to change characters to benefit from the effects.
That, more than anything, it's annoying. It does't matter who stays on top of a circle, salvages something or identifies something, it's something you do in outposts, and there it's annoying to save and store all items to be identified and salvaged with one character to benefit from the effects.
Being them account wide, people is free to switch characters whenever they want without felling they are wasting time and gold if they open chests with that character.

You could say the same for the Festive titles (Party Animal, Sweet Tooth, Drunkard), but those titles have no effect. They are just gold sinks.
Many gold sinks are good compared with having to switch characters every singl time you want to identify and salvage, and to have to keep all keys and lockpicks to be used with one character.

If the Festive items had effects, then it would make sense to make them account wide.
And it that case I would agree ONLY with effects that make the effects of those items last more: 10% in rank 1, 100% in rank 2, or have 5%(1) and 50%(2) more effect for the instant ones. And no effect whatsoever for the one-time visual ones (fireworks, poppers, etc).
That makes sense, since someone that has spent lots and lots of gold in beer, deserves to stay drunk longer drinking less(even if realistically the more you drink the more you'll endure it), and someone that has eaten lots and lots of candy, deserves to get longer rushes and to get 7% DP removed instead 5%.

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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13 Jul 2009 at 22:10 - 22

They're gold sinks. At this point, do you really think they're going to change things that radically?

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

14 Jul 2009 at 01:28 - 23

Changing the Drunkard consumables to grant points like the other titles would be great. Changing the titles to account-wide is less important though. They're great gold sinks, yes, but the only reason you would get these titles maxed in the first place is for maxing them, and people who want it maxed on multiple characters should be ready to handle maxing it on other characters.

ajc2123

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

North of the wall

Me/

14 Jul 2009 at 03:30 - 24

/dontcare for account wide.

/FortheloveofGODsigned for drunkard change. I can't stand clicking on my ales during a mission, and watching the title bar progression so I know EXACTLY when to press it so im cost efficient. PLEASE make it like part/sweet >_<

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

14 Jul 2009 at 10:03 - 25

Linsey has said she is aware of us wanting the drunkard timer for all boozes, just like the Grog's. Maybe, just maybe.....

Slightly off-topic, but it should answer some questions.

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

14 Jul 2009 at 10:56 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

Linsey has said she is aware of us wanting the drunkard timer for all boozes, just like the Grog's. Maybe, just maybe.....

Slightly off-topic, but it should answer some questions.

Well not really but thats something , at least implement some timer . Signed for that a gazillion times.

Sweet Mystery

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Shadow Hunters Of Light [SHOL]

R/

14 Jul 2009 at 11:38 - 27

Having maxed the 3 consuming titles on 1 character I think they need to be kept character based. Yes I could scream for account wide to get more maxed titles. But its a character focused one and should stay that way.

However Drunkard needs to be changed to levels of intoxication gained for the points.... hell its the worst of the lost to max.... and needs to be balanced with the others.

Shriketalon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

15 Jul 2009 at 00:49 - 28

No effect?

There's three reasons right there.

Sure, it's silly PvE skills, but the fact is, if you are going for the drunkard title, you cannot afford to use these skills to their full extent on any character except the one drunkard.

There's no real reason to keep them character based. A level 2 character can get a maxed consumable title through the chest, so claiming low level Party Animals breaks immersion is foolish. It's no more character based than a PvP title won by another character on the account.

And ultimately, the title shows one thing: the account holder has wealth.

The wealth to buy the items can be transfered around, can be gathered across the account, and the items themselves can be stored and traded through the Xunlai chest. The titles, then, reflect the account holder's investment of time and money, nothing more.

Whereas Legendary Vanquisher says "I kicked a great deal of ass with this character across all three campaigns," Life of the Party says "I gained a lot of wealth and bought/farmed/acquired many, many, many consumables."

There's nothing character based about it, no more than requiring chest farming only benefit the one char opening the chest.

king_trouble

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2008

In the Realm of the Gods

The High Chroniclez

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15 Jul 2009 at 00:52 - 29

Take in mind that those skills only take effect when a character is drunk. Those titles are really only extra titles if you got nothing else to spend your gold on. Plus how is this change to account wide going to benifit me since I've already maxed out sweet tooth and party on 5 of my characters, along with drunkard one two.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

15 Jul 2009 at 02:09 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shriketalon

No effect?

There's three reasons right there.

Sure, it's silly PvE skills, but the fact is, if you are going for the drunkard title, you cannot afford to use these skills to their full extent on any character except the one drunkard.

There's no real reason to keep them character based. A level 2 character can get a maxed consumable title through the chest, so claiming low level Party Animals breaks immersion is foolish. It's no more character based than a PvP title won by another character on the account.

And ultimately, the title shows one thing: the account holder has wealth.

The wealth to buy the items can be transfered around, can be gathered across the account, and the items themselves can be stored and traded through the Xunlai chest. The titles, then, reflect the account holder's investment of time and money, nothing more.

Whereas Legendary Vanquisher says "I kicked a great deal of ass with this character across all three campaigns," Life of the Party says "I gained a lot of wealth and bought/farmed/acquired many, many, many consumables."

There's nothing character based about it, no more than requiring chest farming only benefit the one char opening the chest.

Or... if you have no interest in getting stupid titles to get a couple pixels under your character name, you can just drink your booze on whoever and use the skills.

Titles are optional grind.
There is no injustice to it.

Regulus X

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

N/A

D/W

15 Jul 2009 at 04:10 - 31

It'd be extremely uber if we could check the box of the consumable title of choice to enable it's effects in the follow manner:

Drunkard/IAH - [Anywhere] instantly activate the drunkard effect (level: 1...5) to inherit the effects of PvE skills and play the game all drunk for kicks.

Sweet Tooth - [In towns only] Run to the NPCs and get around towns faster.

Party Animal - [Anywhere] Instantly conjure some kewl sparkler effects for fun during any occasion.

I highly doubt Anet has any time to implement this, but it'd be super awesome and makes so much sense it's stupid!

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

15 Jul 2009 at 04:25 - 32

This change would likely have no effect on the motivation or behavior of the afk drunkard bots. It's pretty obvious why. Hint: afk.

Regulus X

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

N/A

D/W

15 Jul 2009 at 04:35 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

This change would likely have no effect on the motivation or behavior of the afk drunkard bots. It's pretty obvious why. Hint: afk.

Botters cannot be stopped. No dev's to allot time into assessing botters and too many players simply don't really care tbh. But the change I propose would make those that max it more enjoyable in PvE. Just picture running fast through towns and being able to apply drunkard clauses from PvE skills without having to buy any more ales. Picture lighting up the spot with random party item effects by simply enabling it via clicking the title checkbox ON.

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

15 Jul 2009 at 05:45 - 34

Why would Anet even care if player's 'bot' the drunkard title via macros and such, even Gaile Grey admitted that she was going to take the macro route for this title when she was CR. If Gaile can bot the title, so can you.

edit: If the CR of the game is resorting to 'botting' a title, you can tell that the title's mechanics are broken.

edit2: Gaile's talk page shows Gaile discussing the 'drunkard bot' and admitting it IS a banable offense.

I guess if you want to get Drunkard the easy way, you use a 'macro' as Gaile herself suggested in game, but whatever you do, don't refer to your 'macro' as a 'bot'.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

15 Jul 2009 at 06:15 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

Why would Anet even care if player's 'bot' the drunkard title via macros and such, even Gaile Grey admitted that she was going to take the macro route for this title when she was CR. If Gaile can bot the title, so can you.

edit: If the CR of the game is resorting to 'botting' a title, you can tell that the title's mechanics are broken.

edit2: Gaile's talk page shows Gaile discussing the 'drunkard bot' and admitting it IS a banable offense.

I guess if you want to get Drunkard the easy way, you use a 'macro' as Gaile herself suggested in game, but whatever you do, don't refer to your 'macro' as a 'bot'.

Gaile never said she was planning to bot the title, she said support might be less likely to pursue people using bots to get the title. Source for your claim she planned to bot it, please. Use of bots for any reason can result in a ban.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regulus X

Botters cannot be stopped. No dev's to allot time into assessing botters and too many players simply don't really care tbh. But the change I propose would make those that max it more enjoyable in PvE. Just picture running fast through towns and being able to apply drunkard clauses from PvE skills without having to buy any more ales. Picture lighting up the spot with random party item effects by simply enabling it via clicking the title checkbox ON.

My reply was directed at the OP's suggestion of making drunkard account wide, and I was specifically addressing point 1 in the first post. It's simple. People who afk and use bots to acumulate points towards the title couldn't care less which character is earning the points, because they are not playing the character while consuming the ales. Apologies if you thought I was replying to you; I had not read your post when I replied.

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

15 Jul 2009 at 06:51 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Gaile never said she was planning to bot the title, she said support might be less likely to pursue people using bots to get the title. Source for your claim she planned to bot it, please. Use of bots for any reason can result in a ban.

I think you'll find I said Gaile suggested she was going to use a macro for the title, not that Gaile claimed she was going to 'bot' the title... you might consider that sophistry on my part, but it does lend itself to the confusion players have over issues of macros and botting, that Anet are unable to clarify without setting troublesome precedents.

As for Gaile 'suggesting' that she was going to use a macro for her drinking, I believe the screen shots of it were posted here on Guru LONG ago. Many people who were around can probably remember it. But just for you, I guess I'll use the now functioning 'Search' feature...

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

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15 Jul 2009 at 11:05 - 37

If drunkard stays the way it is it should be account wide, purly due to the massive Time sink it is (160 hours, more than a week of just clicking)

But if it was brought in line with the party and sugar titles then toon only would be fair enough.

As for the OP he has some fair points, I remember in my first year during holdiay events I would sometimes just hang around LA /dancing with others a crowd would grow and then use party items and potions for fun, but sicne the title came in they're just there for the title, if it was account wide I could play around more on my alts.

problem with that is they're not that hard to max account wide, but still may take a while.

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

16 Jul 2009 at 22:45 - 38

/signed

But not for the reasons you listed, because those are just stupid -.-

I hate being pidgeon-holed into one character, because it's more efficient to title maxing. There's basically no reason NOT to make it account wide, so they should just do it.

IronSheik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Wolfenstein: Goldrush

Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom]

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16 Jul 2009 at 23:03 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by traversc

I hate being pidgeon-holed into one character, because it's more efficient to title maxing. There's basically no reason NOT to make it account wide, so they should just do it.

Because people with more than one char with them maxed will qq.

I myself have two Gwamms, both with drunk/sweets/party, and I'd still love to see it account wide, I always wanted to use sweets for the extra boost in PvE on my other toons

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

16 Jul 2009 at 23:31 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronSheik

Because people with more than one char with them maxed will qq.

I myself have two Gwamms, both with drunk/sweets/party, and I'd still love to see it account wide, I always wanted to use sweets for the extra boost in PvE on my other toons

That didnt stop ANet to join Treasure Hunter and Wisdom , the point is the effect. No effect , no need to make them account wide.