Signet of Spirits in PvP

That'd be true if SoS was changed to give energy, but that wasn't the case. SoS had been giving energy, it was the recent PvE change that made the PvE version create spirits instead. Well then it's the same rant, but flipped. :P

Still, why change a spell ENTIRELY when switching between PvP and PvE? They basically say, "NO! You can't use that! You have to use this instead! But you can still keep the pretty icon and name."

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That's what you call the pve version of a skill. You've seent that before, right? Anet has been doing this awhile. Its the only reason you get to summon your bank of spirits in pve, not the other way around. Its the only reason you get a 3/4 to 1 sec cast time for your spirits in pve, instead of the 3 to 5 secs before the update and which is still in pvp. This is a silly complaint. The difference usually between a PvP version and a PvE version of a spell is usually a minor change. Not a completely new spell all together.

This is a major change to a spell from PvE to PvP. That's what the complaint is about. Unlike most spells where it is a minor change, this changes the spell completely to something extremely different from the original.

This is a major change to a spell from PvE to PvP. That's what the complaint is about. Unlike most spells where it is a minor change, this changes the spell completely to something extremely different from the original. Dude, this major change turned it into a skill you like to use in pve, instead of not wanting to use it at all anywhere. This is why we have the split between pve and pvp skills. The pve version would be WAY OP in pvp--all anyone would do is sprirt spam.

Not even close to true. Ever heard of Smiter's Boon or Warrior's Endurance or Aegis? There are a lot of skills that have HUGE differences in PvE and PvP Smiter's Boon? Are you kidding me? It's the exact same except for duration. How is that an extremely huge change? Really? lmao

I never said I wanted to use this in PvP. I just think it is ridiculous to change a spell entirely just for a switch between PvP and PvE. Reading is helpful you know.

The whole point is that the spell is two different spells completely. It's not slightly modified from the original, it is a completely different spell all together. If you are comparing that to Warrior's Endurance and Smiter's Boon, then you have no idea what I am even talking about.

Smiter's Boon? Are you kidding me? It's the exact same except for duration. How is that an extremely huge change? Really? lmao

I never said I wanted to use this in PvP. I just think it is ridiculous to change a spell entirely just for a switch between PvP and PvE. Reading is helpful you know.

The whole point is that the spell is two different spells completely. It's not slightly modified from the original, it is a completely different spell all together. If you are comparing that to Warrior's Endurance and Smiter's Boon, then you have no idea what I am even talking about. Quit being retarded. They would never and should never make the PvP version of SoS even similar to the PvE version. And you stealthily forgot to mention Aegis and WE and UA, which all have different functionalities in PvE.

Oh, and if you're ok with the PvP version of SoS being like Smiter's Boon (PvP) then it would look like this:

Signet of Spirits (PvP) - 25 energy, 3s cast time, 45s recharge - You create three spirits who last 4 seconds and do 1..2...3 damage per attack.

If you really want that, then you must be an idiot. Leave the skill alone.

Quit being retarded. They would never and should never make the PvP version of SoS even similar to the PvE version. And you stealthily forgot to mention Aegis and WE and UA, which all have different functionalities in PvE.

Oh, and if you're ok with the PvP version of SoS being like Smiter's Boon (PvP) then it would look like this:

Signet of Spirits (PvP) - 25 energy, 3s cast time, 45s recharge - You create three spirits who last 4 seconds and do 1..2...3 damage per attack.

If you really want that, then you must be an idiot. Leave the skill alone. Wow. You are really dense or just have reading issues. How many times do I have to say that I never said I wanted to use it in PvP?

My only arguement here is that it is ridiculous to change a spell completely from the original to a whole new spell all together. Who's being retarded now? Can you just not read?

The ORIGINAL spell is not the spirit spam spell. The ORIGINAL spell is the energy gain. You would know that, if you read the posts. But obviously you're too good for that right?

The whole point of this thread, is why change a spell to something else completely different from the original? That's it. Now chop chop and read before you post next time.

Wow. You are really dense or just have reading issues. How many times do I have to say that I never said I wanted to use it in PvP?

My only arguement here is that it is ridiculous to change a spell completely from the original to a whole new spell all together. Who's being retarded now? Can you just not read?

The ORIGINAL spell is not the spirit spam spell. The ORIGINAL spell is the energy gain. You would know that, if you read the posts. But obviously you're too good for that right?

The whole point of this thread, is why change a spell to something else completely different from the original? That's it. Now chop chop and read before you post next time. So you would prefer it if they reverted SoS back to energy gain in PvE as long as the PvP and PvE versions were similar?

Who's dense again?

And why not bitch about the other skills with functionality changes in PvE and PvP? I don't see you bitching about Aegis, UA, or WE. You're full of shit and we can all smell it. Tbh, this thread should be closed.

Oh, and I knew that the original SoS only gave energy....however, by reading your earlier posts you did not. Which is lolworthy. /closethread please.

The whole point of this thread, is why change a spell to something else completely different from the original? That's it. Now chop chop and read before you post next time. Because PvE and PvP are completely different. That's all there is.

If you haven't noticed, all I am complaining about is that a skill is changed completely to another skill from PvP to PvE. The skill is modified completely different from the original to something that has nothing to do with the original.

My complaint, is about just that. Why change a skill to something completely different from the original? You can use any skill you want in it's place. I'm using SoS as an example. If you want to use a different skill, more power to you.

So you can complain and whine all you want and insult me all you want over the internet, but it all comes down to this. Why change a spell completely from the original to something completely new just for PvE/PvP sakes? That's all. Have fun with your nerdrage. Next time if you're complaint is general and not related to a specific skill, I'd recommend titling the thread, "PvP/PvE functionality split doesn't make sense" or something like that.

As far as your nerdrage comment......"Hey, kettle I have a phonecall for you. It's pot....he's calling you black".

If you haven't noticed, all I am complaining about is that a skill is changed completely to another skill from PvP to PvE.
Its a dumb complaint that seems to fail to acknowledge the difference between the pve and pvp versions of some skills while at the same time basing the complainit on exactly that. Kinda weird actually.

Its a dumb complaint that seems to fail to acknowledge the difference between the pve and pvp versions of some skills while at the same time basing the complainit on exactly that. Kinda weird actually. Oh I understand PvE to PvP spell modifications just fine thank you.

But most spells that are changed for PvP, are slightly modified. This spell that I mentioned inparticular is completely a different spell.

Basically this. It's like saying "Hey I see you like using Conjure Phantasm in PvE. Well in PvP, it's no longer Conjure Phantasm. It is now Energy Tap. But you still get to keep the name and icon, but now it just steals energy instead of draining health."

That is what I mean by it becomes a completely different spell. One version of the spell gives you energy. The other version summons spirits. Two different spells completely, just cause of PvP to PvE. Not a minor change like most spells.

The whole point of this thread, is why change a spell to something else completely different from the original? You keep saying that this is the point of the thread but you have yet to give a reason why you think this is bad for the game and why making PvE and PvP versions similar is better in every single circumstance.

You keep saying that this is the point of the thread but you have yet to give a reason why you think this is bad for the game and why making PvE and PvP versions similar is better in every single circumstance. And? As I said in my first post, I was ranting. I never said I had a solution to fix this or how this affects anyone. I just think in general, that it is stupid.

My basis is this. Why have two completely different spells combined in one? I used SoS as an example. Originally, SoS gave you energy. Then the update came, and they changed to PvE version to something completely different and now it gives you spirits. Instead of doing that, they could of just made a new spell called "Summon Spirits" that would of done the same and then have no need to change an already existing spell.

But instead, they felt it necessary to have two completely different spells, and combine them into one spell. And then have it change in PvP/PvE. Yes there is other spells like this. I know this. I'm using SoS as my example.

My point is, why have one spell with two completely different uses depending on PvP/PvE, when it would of just been easier to have them as two different spells? The spells have no similarities in any way at all. So why have it as one spell? If a spell is changed in PvE/PvP, it is usually a slight modification from the original, but still has the same affect. This spell in general, and others, are two complete opposites.

Like I said before. I was just ranting about how ridiculous it is to have one spell with two completely opposite and different uses depending on whether you are in PvP or PvE. They should of just made a seperate spell for "Master Togo's Spirits" instead of changing an already existing spell. When you go into PvP, you expect small changes to your skills, but this is a huge difference to one spell when you switch to PvE/PvP.

They should of just made a seperate spell for "Master Togo's Spirits" instead of changing an already existing spell. When you go into PvP, you expect small changes to your skills, but this is a huge difference to one spell when you switch to PvE/PvP. If they were to make a new skill, it would have took more time, so it would have been better to change the existing one anyway. Regardless, there were better elites to choose from all of the time, and in PvP, nobody would have used it anyway, consiering OoS was already the beacon of energy management for Ritualists.

This thread is pointless.

That's because Spyder changed focus half-way through the thread when he/she realized that people thought it was stupid. Also, I forgot to mention that Armor of Unfeeling now has a different functionality as well in PvP. So we're up to what? 6 skills that are better off with different functionalities.

It's a good thing for the game.

/closethread please. Only reason I started talking about other spells, is cause everyone brought up other spells that were similar to what I was talking about. So naturally, the discussion will change to all spells that are related to the issue.

I was not aware at the time of all the other spells that have the same affect as SoS. When they were brought to my attention by everyone saying "Don't forget this spell! And this spell! Oh yeah! This one too!", then of course. The subject will slightly change, but still stay on the same base.

And? As I said in my first post, I was ranting. I never said I had a solution to fix this or how this affects anyone. I just think in general, that it is stupid. So then this is a completely pointless thread that is not constructive in any way. You just admitted this whole thing is just a QQ thread about something you don't like, yet you decide it isn't a big enough problem for you to form an argument about why it is a negative aspect of the game, and why it would be better for the game if this never existed.

I'm gonna have to agree with Karate Jesus and say this thread should probably be locked based off the fact that the OP makes no argument and is just ranting for the sake of ranting.

So then this is a completely pointless thread that is not constructive in any way. You just admitted this whole thing is just a QQ thread about something you don't like, yet you decide it isn't a big enough problem for you to form an argument about why it is a negative aspect of the game, and why it would be better for the game if this never existed.

I'm gonna have to agree with Karate Jesus and say this thread should probably be locked based off the fact that the OP makes no argument and is just ranting for the sake of ranting. And now you understand.

How many of these posts with people just letting off steam have you read? That's all I was doing. I admitted in the beginning that I was just ranting about how stupid it was. That was it. There is tons of posts here of people just ranting. I just wanted to get my frustrations out about something I thought was ridiculous just like everyone else does. Is that so wrong? Didn't think it was such a big deal to express my opinion on this forum. If everyone doesn't appreciate an opinion, then what's the point of even posting?

Like I said before. I was just ranting about how ridiculous it is to have one spell with two completely opposite and different uses depending on whether you are in PvP or PvE. They should of just made a seperate spell for "Master Togo's Spirits" instead of changing an already existing spell. When you go into PvP, you expect small changes to your skills, but this is a huge difference to one spell when you switch to PvE/PvP. 1. SoS is not a spell. A minor point, but you've typed "spell" about 7000 times in this thread. It's a skill, and it's a signet, but it's not a spell. It may seem minor, but in at least one example of a split skill that you've dismissed, Warrior's Endurance, the difference is the skill type. And it actually makes a difference.

2. If they added a new elite, it would have stripped away the title status of thousands of players who had obtained the Canthan and Legendary Skill Hunter titles. While it wouldn't have been hard to just cap one more skill, the drama resulting from those players having to spend another 1k and ten minutes capping the skill would be far worse than the outrage of, well, one person on a forum.

The only reasonable complaint I see here is that the two versions still have the same name.

They don't remove skills from the game and have never added a completely new one (to an already released campaign), most likely because of programming complexities and policy. Their only options if they want to add new functionality to a skill that just wouldn't be balanced in either PvP or PvE is to nerf the offending version into oblivion, or just make the versions have different functionalities. I think Necromas identified and answered your OP question nicely. As for why they made the PvE version of Signet of Spirits behave the way it does, that question has also been answered amidst the ragefest :P

SoS has been like this forever. Why are we complaining about it now?

And do you seriously want the PvE version in PvP? Rits would be able to hold shrines in AB by themselves. Capper heroes in HB would all be rits. And I don't even want to think about what would happen in GvG and HA.

Oh, and there are tons of examples where PvE/PvP splits have been good for the game (WE for example). So....please, just get over it. Okay, lets pretend for a sec it worked in PvP as it does in PvE, albeit with a 3 second cast time.

Your team of Ritualists all cast their spirits. Which all overwrite each other, and only the last caster's spirits remain, barring any slight differences in build. Okay, so you can spread them out over the map so they don't. Well then I'd like to introduce you to my friends Unnatural Signet, Spiritual Pain, Signet of Binding, and every single AoE (specifically the ones that cause burning, like RoJ). If everyone starts using Ritualists for spirits in PvP, people are simply going to take one of the many counters to them. And unlike PvE, you can't shuffle them around or heal them very easily, and you can't dump them all out in ~3 seconds, it'd be more like ~10-15.