every time i join a group, there would be at least one who insist i copy and paste every skill taken from pvx. Usually i cbb, but it really annoys me when you know there are better alts out there but cant use cos the group might kick you and you have to do things as a group e.g. uwsc, ha, e.t.c.
I used to love pvx, but got so sick of all these people insist you must copy everything that is shown there. If theres a better skill out there, why cant people accept that instead of going omg, this wont work kick even before they look at your skillbar?
is pvx destroying the game?
harpharp
Barrage
I attempt to come up with my own builds, but something like PvX will always exist. Heck, I got the builds for sabway on word of mouth, doesn't really matter but,,,, yes it is has been destroying this game.
Ariena Najea
If you don't want to run PvX builds, find a PUG that doesn't care (hard to do), play with your friends, find a Guild that appreciates you, or play H/H.
PvX is a poor system, and isn't well understood by the community.
PvX is a poor system, and isn't well understood by the community.
ValaOfTheFens
PvX is a useful tool. I use it when I do a farm I've never done before and don't want to fail too hard. The builds there are generally ok for heros, though honestly its better to come up with builds that complement your class and don't overlap what you're running. However, some people lack creativity and so they start treating PvX like a bible. >.< I prefer the build forums here to PvX. In a forum you can get almost instant feedback and with multiple brains at work you come out with a better build in the end.
I can understand why people want standardized builds for things like DoA, UWSC, etc because they're time and platinum consuming and you want to get the most from each run. Sadly, standardized builds mean jack because armor and equipment isn't really standardized. You'd be surprised at the number of people running around with suboptimal gear in end game content. ^_^; Its sad and most never realize it.
I can understand why people want standardized builds for things like DoA, UWSC, etc because they're time and platinum consuming and you want to get the most from each run. Sadly, standardized builds mean jack because armor and equipment isn't really standardized. You'd be surprised at the number of people running around with suboptimal gear in end game content. ^_^; Its sad and most never realize it.
pinguinius
No. And it wasn't the last 1,000 times people have brought this up over the years, either.
Chocobo1
PvX is great for people who need the basics of builds and don't understand how to make a decent build.
Too bad 99% of people who play Guild Wars never progress beyond that stage.
Too bad 99% of people who play Guild Wars never progress beyond that stage.
gone
pvx is destroying the game as much as gwguru is. maybe even less.
Dakka Dakka
I haven't had a problem with PUG's wanting me to use PvXwiki builds. Now PUG's not caring period I deal with ALLLLLL the time 
reaper with no name
All PvX does is make big neon signs that say "hey, this build is pretty good", so that people can use it. It doesn't make people decide that everyone that isn't on it sucks (they would do that either way; they just use PvX to decide what they consider "good" because it's there).
In fact, we should actually be grateful PvX exists, because if it wasn't for PvX, many overpowered builds might have never been discovered by the mainstream (and then subsequently fixed). PvX brings this sort of stuff out from the shadows. Can't fix what you don't know is broken.
In fact, we should actually be grateful PvX exists, because if it wasn't for PvX, many overpowered builds might have never been discovered by the mainstream (and then subsequently fixed). PvX brings this sort of stuff out from the shadows. Can't fix what you don't know is broken.
The Juggernauot
ive never really relied on a pvx wiki or the likes. i usually access a situation and make independent builds accordingly (have been for the past 4 years) a TRUE player isnt bound to needing things a exact way to succeed, a real pro can adjust . even tho there are some things that everybody knows just wont work and theres even a nice way to go about doing that. ive found more people willing to take your insight/advice on a setup/build if your not anal about it or mocking them for not knowing any better.
Darth The Xx
PvX is a good source, no denying that. There is a REASON those builds are up there, simply because they are the (arguably) the best or close to it. People wouldn't rate the builds so highly if they sucked.
It also provides a good solid base when you enter a new part of the game, for example I don't PvE, like at all so when I got asked by my friend to join their group for DoA where did I look for a build? You guessed it PvX.
So to answer your question, no PvX is not destroying Guild Wars, little kids who act like pompous assholes are
It also provides a good solid base when you enter a new part of the game, for example I don't PvE, like at all so when I got asked by my friend to join their group for DoA where did I look for a build? You guessed it PvX.
So to answer your question, no PvX is not destroying Guild Wars, little kids who act like pompous assholes are
Zahr Dalsk
Let's face it, most (100%) of the people who hate on wiki, are the sort of tards who'd run, say, flarespam, or use healing breeze outside of farming.
Greedy Gus
Are people in-game literally referring you to the pvxwiki site to copy a build, or are they telling you to run a good build (named by an understood label) and you're projecting a reasoning for them that they're referring to pvxwiki? At least in my experience, the latter is the case more often, based on peoples' insecurity and having preference to be unique snowflakes or scorn for popular effective builds.
Daesu
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In fact, we should actually be grateful PvX exists, because if it wasn't for PvX, many overpowered builds might have never been discovered by the mainstream (and then subsequently fixed). PvX brings this sort of stuff out from the shadows. Can't fix what you don't know is broken.
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If you think that the accepted builds are the best builds posted to pvx, think again.
IronSheik
Without it PuGs would be even shittier, destroying the game? No.
Destroying bugs every now and then that got leaked? Sure.
Destroying bugs every now and then that got leaked? Sure.
Bob Slydell
I think what made the game turn to crap was the ability to ping builds. Now don't get me wrong, it's very handy to show other people or friends, but with that handiness comes a price, most inexperienced or newer players or even any player are forced to ping in a PuG and are almost always told to use something else, told that it sucks/criticized/called a noob or just plain kicked.
In the long run impatient new players end up quitting because of this, thus the game loses another player, gates hated on, etc.
Pinging has weeded out the inexperienced player from PuGs but also keeps them from staying in groups and gives them no chance at all.
Another thing is the rank system and all that stupid e-peen shit in PvP, If they would have made it so no one knows anything about another player, there would be a lot more people that are encouraged to play in higher end PvP. But don't take me serious on anything I say about PvP as all I play in PvP is RA and AB and at that, rarely.
In the long run impatient new players end up quitting because of this, thus the game loses another player, gates hated on, etc.
Pinging has weeded out the inexperienced player from PuGs but also keeps them from staying in groups and gives them no chance at all.
Another thing is the rank system and all that stupid e-peen shit in PvP, If they would have made it so no one knows anything about another player, there would be a lot more people that are encouraged to play in higher end PvP. But don't take me serious on anything I say about PvP as all I play in PvP is RA and AB and at that, rarely.
gerlin
Why would you blame PvXwiki as the cause of the ingame mentality? PvXwiki is an incredible tool that i use to base buids on and customize them to my own liking. PvXwiki has nothing to do AT ALL with the fact that most people ingame act like 6 year olds and can only see black and white and don't have the common sense yet to develope the area grey where not standard builds exsist to actually work super.
The cancer that is destroying the game is the mentality of the people who play it. Nothing else can destroy a game. Also most of the time the people who act like little kids blame other stuff for their own incompetence. Just look at this forum, hundreds of people complain about the most dumb things that "destroy" the game but are mostly just random annoyance of the game. They wish for the game to be perfect and molded to their liking. Spoiled brats is what i would call them.
The cancer that is destroying the game is the mentality of the people who play it. Nothing else can destroy a game. Also most of the time the people who act like little kids blame other stuff for their own incompetence. Just look at this forum, hundreds of people complain about the most dumb things that "destroy" the game but are mostly just random annoyance of the game. They wish for the game to be perfect and molded to their liking. Spoiled brats is what i would call them.
Age
PvX is good site to get ideas from there pvp and farming builds are good.You watch observer mode and what they are using is on there.Their farming builds are good because they work and it has been discussed in the farming forum here.
The problem is that others are to reliant on it to think of their own builds.There was a time when we had to make up our own builds before any wiki existed.This is the proble with wikis makes life easier anyway.I made thread about oh a year or two ago anyway it isn't that bad.What they are getting at you is team builds do you have the lastest if not go get.
You can do what ever you want on your own or with few others in mission.Don't go slapping something together and hope it works which I have seen far to many times in this game.Those build look like not much thought went into them or the person just got ran all over the place.
They never did take the time to learn their profesion.It is far easier and better that you do and you will find the game will go faster.Those that take the time to make up their build and understand what is about are far better at the game especially what skill to use where.
PvX isn't bad if people read the whole build write up which a lot don't.It is good resource put it that way.
The problem is that others are to reliant on it to think of their own builds.There was a time when we had to make up our own builds before any wiki existed.This is the proble with wikis makes life easier anyway.I made thread about oh a year or two ago anyway it isn't that bad.What they are getting at you is team builds do you have the lastest if not go get.
You can do what ever you want on your own or with few others in mission.Don't go slapping something together and hope it works which I have seen far to many times in this game.Those build look like not much thought went into them or the person just got ran all over the place.
They never did take the time to learn their profesion.It is far easier and better that you do and you will find the game will go faster.Those that take the time to make up their build and understand what is about are far better at the game especially what skill to use where.
PvX isn't bad if people read the whole build write up which a lot don't.It is good resource put it that way.
I am Aslan
PVX is a nice tool, give the basics to a build. to which a player can adjust attrib points and skills. (i tend to use some basic build for pve and pvp, with addition of pve skills and rupts etc.)
i am not gonna lie i have used wiki for builds before (mainly farming builds - which me and smiter made variants to suit us)
i think people swear by it and i think thats whats wrong. we all have free will to do as we wish i just think we should be more creative.
i made a build on my main, Ranger. and sent it to a few people who asked me and one of them pvx'd it as there own hehe. (kind of annoying but hey, a build not secret - if someone really wanted to know can just watch your time bar)
i am not gonna lie i have used wiki for builds before (mainly farming builds - which me and smiter made variants to suit us)
i think people swear by it and i think thats whats wrong. we all have free will to do as we wish i just think we should be more creative.
i made a build on my main, Ranger. and sent it to a few people who asked me and one of them pvx'd it as there own hehe. (kind of annoying but hey, a build not secret - if someone really wanted to know can just watch your time bar)
FoxBat
People can't be arsed to update 90% of the PvP builds there, I don't see why everyone is calling it such a great tool. I do look there from some ideas but know better than to copy it exactly given the quality of most of those pages.
Age
They can watch your bar but they don't know the attributes of it and you gear set up.I got 1 or 2 off of their myself and I shared one of my Monks builds with another Monk who didn't have a great build.
I just looked at the Pvp builds and it is up to date before logging on to the Guru.
I just looked at the Pvp builds and it is up to date before logging on to the Guru.
Taixen
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PvX isn't the problem, it's the idiots who go there, copy the builds and have no idea whatsoever of why the build they are using has been vetted as great, good etc. That is more so the problem.
Missmelady
I love Pvx for 2 reasons.
1. It makes pve even more easy then it already was by copy and pasting builds.
2. I FREAKING LOVE the noobs in ha that run pvx builds. They give me free fame which this past weekend was very nice
1. It makes pve even more easy then it already was by copy and pasting builds.
2. I FREAKING LOVE the noobs in ha that run pvx builds. They give me free fame
which this past weekend was very nice
Omgopolis
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I think what made the game turn to crap was the ability to ping builds.
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PvX wiki is a pretty cool site if you're looking for weird builds for RA/FA/JQ, or for specific pve farm builds like fast faction farms, but that's about it.
mathiastemplar
Pvx isn't destroying the game...
As for Pugs (which fail anyways), you should just stick to Pvx.
Asking why?
- Not too long ago during a FoWsc, I had this warrior who was using Doylak Sig+Sun and Moon slash.
Or this MoP using SS (Spiteful Spirit)
I think that answers your question.. PvX is just the safe way to "good" (<-lol) Pugs..
hf
As for Pugs (which fail anyways), you should just stick to Pvx.
Asking why?
- Not too long ago during a FoWsc, I had this warrior who was using Doylak Sig+Sun and Moon slash.
Or this MoP using SS (Spiteful Spirit)
I think that answers your question.. PvX is just the safe way to "good" (<-lol) Pugs..
hf
Silmar Alech
I like Pvx. It is a resource. I can browse the builds and look which skills are in use and what synergy is expected between skills. Additionally, it helps with skilling heros. If you never played a class, you can never successfully make a good build for that class. But how to give decent builds to your heros? Here comes Pvx, giving you an idea what skills could be used.
Or to judge your self-invented builds. You create your own builds - but is it working good compared to builds from the community? Take this or that skill with this elite? I started in NF and after weeks of experimenting and trying out everything, I had the first build I was really happy with. I discovered Pvx. I, as a bloody beginner, wanted to see how the proficient play my class. I looked up the better-rated builds for my char and was delighted to find my build already documented and rated "excellent". It gave me confidence that my own judgement isn't too bad.
Or to judge your self-invented builds. You create your own builds - but is it working good compared to builds from the community? Take this or that skill with this elite? I started in NF and after weeks of experimenting and trying out everything, I had the first build I was really happy with. I discovered Pvx. I, as a bloody beginner, wanted to see how the proficient play my class. I looked up the better-rated builds for my char and was delighted to find my build already documented and rated "excellent". It gave me confidence that my own judgement isn't too bad.
Scary
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If you don't want to run PvX builds, find a PUG that doesn't care (hard to do), play with your friends, find a Guild that appreciates you, or play H/H.
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PvX, for some it might be handy but it is more for the lazy people I guess
payne
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Let's face it, most (100%) of the people who hate on wiki, are the sort of tards who'd run, say, flarespam, or use healing breeze outside of farming.
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yes 'cause thinking wiki is crap makes me a tard who uses flarespam...
yes PvX is bad for the game - but so is sabway / RoJway / discordway etc. but they aen't gonna go away so neither is PvX
but whilst I still think PvX is bad for the game (my OPINION) it does help the more casual players who would just like something to help them through the game without spending ages working on an original build
FengShuiDove
Yes and no. For those of us who understand skill/team synergy, it can be an easy way out, reducing creativity and the feeling of success that comes with finishing an area. However, for PUGs, I'd like to see more people with a build built off of something on PvX. I'm so incredibly sick of Defy Pain Warriors and terrible, protless Monks with no good heals or energy management that seem to populate all of the Z-Mission areas now.
I've always enjoyed being able to look and gather ideas to work with, and I've never really been hated on for a build because of PvX. Then again, it's because I'm a halfway decent player I'm sure.
I've always enjoyed being able to look and gather ideas to work with, and I've never really been hated on for a build because of PvX. Then again, it's because I'm a halfway decent player I'm sure.
dilan155
i dont think pvx is destroying gw, hardly. if anything it gives the new player somewhere to start out in. It is unfortunate people require builds from there though.
Jetdoc
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Let's face it, most (100%) of the people who hate on wiki are the sort of tards...
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And thank the Lord, since I have soloed (without heroes or henchmen) content that most (100%) of the people who love wiki could only dream of doing.
EDIT: Thanks for the clarification, payne.
RotteN
A tool like PvX will never "destroy the game".
It's not the gun that kills someone, it's the person firing it. Same applies here: PvX is a great resource for players that need a start on something. After all it's easier to start somewhere and improve on that, than build something from scratch.
If somebody kicks you for not running an exact PvX copy, it's either:
- him being a total, ignorant *sshole, and you shouldn't bother playing with people like that. So be glad he kicked you
- you making changed you think are good, but actually aren't good at all. In that case you have only yourself to blame.
From my own experience, both cases happen just as often. Not all "tweaks" are good tweaks. Just because something's "unique", doesn't make it useful.
It's not the gun that kills someone, it's the person firing it. Same applies here: PvX is a great resource for players that need a start on something. After all it's easier to start somewhere and improve on that, than build something from scratch.
If somebody kicks you for not running an exact PvX copy, it's either:
- him being a total, ignorant *sshole, and you shouldn't bother playing with people like that. So be glad he kicked you
- you making changed you think are good, but actually aren't good at all. In that case you have only yourself to blame.
From my own experience, both cases happen just as often. Not all "tweaks" are good tweaks. Just because something's "unique", doesn't make it useful.
Auron of Neon
brb closing pvx to fix the game
if it doesn't work I'm blaming you guys
if it doesn't work I'm blaming you guys
Sifow Chan
PvX ruins the game. If you are playing a profession that is not part of the current metas then you're not welcome anywhere. People have no skills to think of their own builds so they have to copy everything. I laugh at them in PvP when I kill the ones who copy pvx builds.
Spend some time working on a Paragon like I have...I have all the things "top tier" players have. The expensive gear, titles etc, but does that mean anything to people? It shows my skills as a player I would think but they only want Permas to do the work for them. Or cryway/roj. Yea, play a profession that isn't a part of the meta and you will realize how irritating and close minded people are.
Spend some time working on a Paragon like I have...I have all the things "top tier" players have. The expensive gear, titles etc, but does that mean anything to people? It shows my skills as a player I would think but they only want Permas to do the work for them. Or cryway/roj. Yea, play a profession that isn't a part of the meta and you will realize how irritating and close minded people are.
Zebideedee
It's not PVX ruining anything, it's the people that insist anything not from it is crap that ruin things.
It's really good when you want to try a hero profession you haven't a clue about, eg. Paragon in my case
It's really good when you want to try a hero profession you haven't a clue about, eg. Paragon in my case
Xanthe Dashka
Funny that people think things would be different without wiki.
It really wouldn't make a difference at all.
It really wouldn't make a difference at all.
Karate Jesus
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every time i join a group, there would be at least one who insist i copy and paste every skill taken from pvx. Usually i cbb, but it really annoys me when you know there are better alts out there but cant use cos the group might kick you and you have to do things as a group e.g. uwsc, ha, e.t.c.
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GoodApollo1234
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It's not PVX ruining anything, it's the people that insist anything not from it is crap that ruin things.
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I've found PvX rather helpful lately, since I've been sort of inactive (only playing maybe an hour a week, at the most). I hop on it from time to time just to see if anyone's come up with any interesting, "new" ideas. I'm usually dissappointed, but it still serves as a good way of making sure that the general framework my build is based on hasn't been "omgn00b"-ed out of existence.
That said, would I say that PvX has ruined the game? Nah. Would the game be better without it? Perhaps, but if the people have a need (in this case, a database of cookie-cutter builds for all the kiddies to flock to), somebody's always going to fill it. So there's no point in complaining. Just H/H like everybody else who's fed up. GW2 will be here soon (and by "soon," I mean in 2 years or so. Suck it, vaporware people).
3246251196
I feel that there is nothing wrong with PvX builds.
- There is no shame in using PvX builds to aid you through your travels. It is a great source of information and the build templates shine great light on possible personal variations of set builds.
I feel that the people who demand them in a PUG team are out of order though.
- This is something that annoys me to no end and is one of the few reasons I prefer to play HH through the campaigns. People in the team who say "ping build" and if it is anything other than a PvX build they go off it and even have the audacity to call people a "noob" if they do not show a PvX build.
That - to me - is a great example of how RPGs are not to be played.
- There is no shame in using PvX builds to aid you through your travels. It is a great source of information and the build templates shine great light on possible personal variations of set builds.
I feel that the people who demand them in a PUG team are out of order though.
- This is something that annoys me to no end and is one of the few reasons I prefer to play HH through the campaigns. People in the team who say "ping build" and if it is anything other than a PvX build they go off it and even have the audacity to call people a "noob" if they do not show a PvX build.
That - to me - is a great example of how RPGs are not to be played.
fowlero
At the end of the day, you join someones group i'd expect you to run what they ask you to.
The fact that they're not open to compromises on skill changes (and i agree a lot of wiki builds can be optimised further) is not wiki's fault, it's the narrow mindness of the group leader.
Make your own groups with your own teambuild if you really want to run something different to the standard.
Doesn't help that you're probably running sway i'm guessing, as that's where the most narrow minded live.
PvX not existing wouldn't change anything, since nearly everything on there comes from obs mode anyway.
The fact that they're not open to compromises on skill changes (and i agree a lot of wiki builds can be optimised further) is not wiki's fault, it's the narrow mindness of the group leader.
Make your own groups with your own teambuild if you really want to run something different to the standard.
Doesn't help that you're probably running sway i'm guessing, as that's where the most narrow minded live.
PvX not existing wouldn't change anything, since nearly everything on there comes from obs mode anyway.